Eye vs. TFP(Chess) - Game 1 - Page 3 - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

Silvy · 12-09-2003, 03:19 PM

good bump. I missed the edit...
*pondering*

SysteMatiC · 12-09-2003, 03:23 PM

Silvy · 12-09-2003, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SysteMatiC
Qd3

edit: nevermind... valid suggestion, I'm not sure if I agree though...

* this moron reminds himself to read posts twice before quoting, and ponders the problem....*

grumpyolddude · 12-09-2003, 09:15 PM

consider: Qxd4

This forces a choice of either Qxh6 or Qxd4
(does eyeronic wish to swap queens or get aggressive?)

grumpyolddude · 12-09-2003, 09:50 PM

If he chooses to take the queen, we take with the knight. At this point, we are up 2 pawns with definite prospects of promoting at least one of them.

Taking our pawn at h6 saves him a few more options, but our material advantage remains, now with the queens in play.

omega2K4 · 12-09-2003, 10:09 PM

I'll be glad to play someone on Yahoo, but no one any good please. I suck.

Silvy · 12-10-2003, 06:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by grumpyolddude
consider: Qxd4

I think this is a good move... Qd3 allows him too many options, Qxd4 is a little more agressive...

So, for as far as I'm concerned: Qxd4

hulk · 12-10-2003, 07:04 AM

Can I suggest an official TFP chess ladder? Get all the interested names, draw up a list, and get opponents to play in any way they want, with both opponents posting who won or lost. A knockout tourney, perhaps.

nukeu666 · 12-10-2003, 08:25 AM

if so...best place to play would be www.itsyourturn.com

Ryan · 12-10-2003, 07:17 PM

I really like the idea of a ladder style system and we can all play games. I would be willing to help with the creation and updation of a thread such as that.

Eye we are still waiting on your move lol..

grumpyolddude · 12-10-2003, 07:57 PM

Count me in. My online time is unpredictable, and sometimes late at night, but I think I can check Its Your Turn every day. If I can find time for 2 fanasy leagues, I can make time for this.

Meanwhile, did we decide on a move, or were we still hashing that out?

blizzak · 12-10-2003, 09:00 PM

eyeronic · 12-12-2003, 04:02 PM

1.d4... e6
2.c4...Nf6
3.Bg5...Bb4+
4.Nc3...h6
5.Bh4...d5
6.Nf3...Nc6
7.cxd5...Qxd5
8.a3...Bxc3
9.bxc3...O-O
10.Bxf6...gxf6
11.g3...e5
12.Bg2...Bg4
13.Nh4...Qc3
14.Qd2...exd4
15.Rac1...Rae8
16.0-0...Bxe2
17.cxd4...Qxd4
18.Qxh6...

Sorry it takes me so long folks. This is a labor intensive process. It only takes me a couple minute to decide on the move, but then I have to:

1. open the chess program,
2. make the moves,
3. screen print,
4. open photoshop,
5. paste the image,
6. edit it,
7. save it for the web,
8. open the host site,
9. upload,
10. make the post
11. and link the pic!

It's quite a process. Any ideas for making this easier would be appreciated. B/T/W, you guys are kicking my ass. What the hell was I thinking? Just ask Whoaitsz, I'm not that great a chess player myself. Whew!

grumpyolddude · 12-13-2003, 10:41 AM

We appreciate the efforts, eyeronic! Which chess program are yu using? My son has several and may know a shortcut we could use.

And don't be so self-deprecating. You play well! If we don''t come up with the right move here, it's mate in 2!

My first thought is Qg4 or Ne7? What does the rest of the gang think?

hulk · 12-14-2003, 01:59 AM

Well, he's got our king pinned nicely, we might want to do something about that. I'm not too sure of the best move, all my ideas seem to be ending up in small, 1 square queen dancing =D. He's pretty well dug in, but not very mobile. Perhaps moving some pawns down the board?

b4, methinks.

Silvy · 12-15-2003, 02:38 AM

I see the mate-in-2 moves.
(took me a while though

)
I like the idea of moving our pawns south, but that would not prevent him from winning.

I'd say protect the king by moving the knight, but I'm not sure as to wether it should be Ne7 or Ne5. In short term they seem equal to me, but Ne5 moves our knight closer to the battlefield

Come to think of it (this post is taking me 20 minutes

), ne7 is better. If we do Ne5, our pawn at f6 will likely be taken by the queen as a consolation prize. Plus it will put our knight out in the open.

I'd like to keep our queen where it is, it is keeping the whole SW region in check.

My vote goes to Ne7 (though I don't like blocking the rook at e8)

Hulk, do you have any input regarding the pawns? I didn't see how they could prevent the knigh/queen->checkmate setup.

Keep up the good work Eye, you're an entertaintment to a lot of us.

grumpyolddude · 12-15-2003, 07:28 PM

Let's not overlook the possibility of Bxf1. Take his rook away from blocking his king. Now he mus weigh his options... take our bishop (with the bishop or the rook?)... take our knight (with the bishop or the rook?)... or move his knight to f5? If he chooses the last one, we still have Qg4 to thwart him. We trade queens, but are now have 2 rooks, a bishop and a knight to his one rook and bishop.

Ryan · 12-15-2003, 07:47 PM

I agree with Grumpyolddude on this move. And i feel it is our best move in this situation.

Silvy · 12-16-2003, 01:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by grumpyolddude
we still have Qg4 to thwart him. We trade queens, but are now have 2 rooks, a bishop and a knight to his one rook and bishop.

How would this surely result in trading queens? I just don't see it...

I like the idea of taking his rook, it doies clear up the board a little, if nothing else.

grumpyolddude · 12-17-2003, 12:53 PM

Silvy, nothing is certain. IF eyeronic plays Nf5 and Qg7, then we will trade queens. There's still a lot of game left here (and, remember, eyeronic is also a silent participant in our discussions. I hope he doesn't take any of my ramblings too seriously

).

fienna · 12-17-2003, 01:44 PM

i would strongly advise against bxf1 - he has no reason to care that we just took his rook - we can't achieve mate faster then he can in his 2 moves, so we won't be "forcing" him to do anything - his next move would still be white knight to g6.

i vote ne7.

grumpyolddude · 12-20-2003, 09:32 AM

There are 2 mate in 2 move dangers... Nf5 then Qg7... or Ng6 the Qh8. If we take the rook, we wait for his move. If Nf5, then we Qg4, if Ng6, then we move our pawn from f6 to f5 defending h8 with our queen.

Ne7 is not a bad move, just less aggressive than I would play.

Kadath · 12-21-2003, 08:53 AM

I haven't been in on this game in quite a while, but I also vote Ne7. However, I frankly don't see how eye moving Ng6 would be mate in two. Our response to that would be to have the pawn take the knight, which would not leave us well off, but certainly would not mate. So we have to defend against Nf5.

eyeronic · 12-22-2003, 02:30 AM

Vacation till the 2nd! (Maybe I'll get bored out here in Seattle and rokk my next amazing move...) Happy Holidays!

wordssmith22 · 01-14-2004, 10:06 PM

great idea, reminds me a lot of russia vs the rest of the world for some reason.

btw, i agree with grumpy's move. i don't see any problem with taking the rook. the queen and knight aren't in any position to make an unstoppable or even materially damaging threat. but that might just be what he wants us to think....

kudos to eyeronic for setting this up

wordssmith22 · 01-14-2004, 10:16 PM

actually, does he have a perpetual check up his sleeve?

bxf1 ng6
fxg6 qxg6+
kh8 qh6...

grumpyolddude · 01-15-2004, 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by wordssmith22
actually, does he have a perpetual check up his sleeve?

bxf1 ng6
fxg6 qxg6+
kh8 qh6...

That thought occurred to me, too. I doubt, however, that our esteemed opponent would bail out with that at this late stage. He's been the consumate gamesman to this point, and I believe he would like to see this played to a more satisfying conclusion than that.

wordssmith22 · 01-15-2004, 09:36 PM

do or die eh? but still, a draw over some 10+ people would suit me fine.

eyeronic · 05-27-2004, 03:36 PM

1.d4... e6
2.c4...Nf6
3.Bg5...Bb4+
4.Nc3...h6
5.Bh4...d5
6.Nf3...Nc6
7.cxd5...Qxd5
8.a3...Bxc3
9.bxc3...O-O
10.Bxf6...gxf6
11.g3...e5
12.Bg2...Bg4
13.Nh4...Qc3
14.Qd2...exd4
15.Rac1...Rae8
16.0-0...Bxe2
17.cxd4...Qxd4
18.Qxh6...Bxf1
19.Nf5...

I would have gone for the perpetual check, but hell, let's keep it interesting. Sorry to make you guys wait a few months...

Kadath · 05-27-2004, 08:20 PM

Well as I see it Qg4 is the only way to avoid an immediate mate. Then we can either trade queens or our bishop for the knight.

Silvy · 05-27-2004, 11:27 PM

I agree Qg4

And welcome back Eyeronic!

mgcloud · 05-28-2004, 10:05 PM

Yep - Qg4

This is a really cool idea!

grumpyolddude · 05-29-2004, 07:57 AM

Welcome back Eye! Nice move!

I agree with Qg4

H12 · 05-31-2004, 08:20 PM

Qg4, easily. Nothing else...just Qg4.

eyeronic · 09-11-2004, 06:34 PM

Do you guys accept a draw? I offer one!

Kadath · 09-12-2004, 02:07 PM

I see the strategy. Wait 3 months, then offer a draw!

firebirdta · 09-13-2004, 06:19 PM

This is a great idea. I wish I had seen it earlier. Eye, if you don't have the time or don't wish to continue, I will gladly take over for you. Otherwise, let's continue this great game.

eyeronic · 09-13-2004, 06:21 PM

Fact is. This is the most labor intensive thing I do on the TFP. You guys all gave me a run for my money, but I hardly have the time to keep up on a daily basis. I wish I'd forced the draw before, but it still looks drawish to me. What do you say folks?

hulk · 09-14-2004, 04:38 AM

I'm all for it =) I'm still up for that chess tourney, if anyone wants to resurrect it =)

12-09-2003, 03:19 PM	#81 (permalink)
Silvy paranoid Location: The Netherlands	good bump. I missed the edit... pondering __________________ "Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. " - Murphy MacManus (Boondock Saints)

12-09-2003, 03:23 PM	#82 (permalink)
SysteMatiC Insane Location: unfortunately not ireland	Qd3 __________________ I have more respect for a man who says what he means, even if he is wrong, then one who acts like an angel, but is nothing but a devil.

12-09-2003, 09:15 PM	#84 (permalink)
grumpyolddude Deliberately unfocused Location: Amazon.com and CDBaby	consider: Qxd4 This forces a choice of either Qxh6 or Qxd4 (does eyeronic wish to swap queens or get aggressive?) __________________ "Regret can be a harder pill to swallow than failure .With failure you at least know you gave it a chance..." David Howard Last edited by grumpyolddude; 12-09-2003 at 09:35 PM..

12-09-2003, 09:50 PM	#85 (permalink)
grumpyolddude Deliberately unfocused Location: Amazon.com and CDBaby	If he chooses to take the queen, we take with the knight. At this point, we are up 2 pawns with definite prospects of promoting at least one of them. Taking our pawn at h6 saves him a few more options, but our material advantage remains, now with the queens in play. __________________ "Regret can be a harder pill to swallow than failure .With failure you at least know you gave it a chance..." David Howard Last edited by grumpyolddude; 12-09-2003 at 10:25 PM..

12-09-2003, 10:09 PM	#86 (permalink)
omega2K4 Natalie Portman is sexy. Location: The Outer Rim	I'll be glad to play someone on Yahoo, but no one any good please. I suck. __________________ "While the State exists there can be no freedom. When there is freedom there will be no State." - Vladimir Ilyich Lenin "Reason has always existed, but not always in a reasonable form."- Karl Marx

12-10-2003, 07:04 AM	#88 (permalink)
hulk C'mon, just blow it. Location: Perth, Australia	Can I suggest an official TFP chess ladder? Get all the interested names, draw up a list, and get opponents to play in any way they want, with both opponents posting who won or lost. A knockout tourney, perhaps. __________________ "'There's a tendency among the press to attribute the creation of a game to a single person,' says Warren Spector, creator of Thief and Deus Ex." -- From an IGN game review.

12-10-2003, 08:25 AM	#89 (permalink)
nukeu666 Junkie Location: India	if so...best place to play would be www.itsyourturn.com __________________ Why did the Comp. Engineer get X-mas and Halloween mixed up? Because Oct(31) == Dec(25)

12-10-2003, 07:17 PM	#90 (permalink)
Ryan Crazy	Ladder Style I really like the idea of a ladder style system and we can all play games. I would be willing to help with the creation and updation of a thread such as that. Eye we are still waiting on your move lol.. Last edited by Ryan; 12-10-2003 at 07:44 PM..

12-10-2003, 07:57 PM	#91 (permalink)
grumpyolddude Deliberately unfocused Location: Amazon.com and CDBaby	Count me in. My online time is unpredictable, and sometimes late at night, but I think I can check Its Your Turn every day. If I can find time for 2 fanasy leagues, I can make time for this. Meanwhile, did we decide on a move, or were we still hashing that out? __________________ "Regret can be a harder pill to swallow than failure .With failure you at least know you gave it a chance..." David Howard

12-10-2003, 09:00 PM	#92 (permalink)
blizzak Crazy	Qxd4 __________________ Fueled by oxytocin!

12-12-2003, 04:02 PM	#93 (permalink)
eyeronic I run E. Location: New York	1.d4... e6 2.c4...Nf6 3.Bg5...Bb4+ 4.Nc3...h6 5.Bh4...d5 6.Nf3...Nc6 7.cxd5...Qxd5 8.a3...Bxc3 9.bxc3...O-O 10.Bxf6...gxf6 11.g3...e5 12.Bg2...Bg4 13.Nh4...Qc3 14.Qd2...exd4 15.Rac1...Rae8 16.0-0...Bxe2 17.cxd4...Qxd4 18.Qxh6... Sorry it takes me so long folks. This is a labor intensive process. It only takes me a couple minute to decide on the move, but then I have to: 1. open the chess program, 2. make the moves, 3. screen print, 4. open photoshop, 5. paste the image, 6. edit it, 7. save it for the web, 8. open the host site, 9. upload, 10. make the post 11. and link the pic! It's quite a process. Any ideas for making this easier would be appreciated. B/T/W, you guys are kicking my ass. What the hell was I thinking? Just ask Whoaitsz, I'm not that great a chess player myself. Whew! __________________ I hold with those that favor fire.

12-13-2003, 10:41 AM	#94 (permalink)
grumpyolddude Deliberately unfocused Location: Amazon.com and CDBaby	We appreciate the efforts, eyeronic! Which chess program are yu using? My son has several and may know a shortcut we could use. And don't be so self-deprecating. You play well! If we don''t come up with the right move here, it's mate in 2! My first thought is Qg4 or Ne7? What does the rest of the gang think? __________________ "Regret can be a harder pill to swallow than failure .With failure you at least know you gave it a chance..." David Howard

12-14-2003, 01:59 AM	#95 (permalink)
hulk C'mon, just blow it. Location: Perth, Australia	Well, he's got our king pinned nicely, we might want to do something about that. I'm not too sure of the best move, all my ideas seem to be ending up in small, 1 square queen dancing =D. He's pretty well dug in, but not very mobile. Perhaps moving some pawns down the board? b4, methinks. __________________ "'There's a tendency among the press to attribute the creation of a game to a single person,' says Warren Spector, creator of Thief and Deus Ex." -- From an IGN game review.

12-15-2003, 02:38 AM	#96 (permalink)
Silvy paranoid Location: The Netherlands	I see the mate-in-2 moves. (took me a while though ) I like the idea of moving our pawns south, but that would not prevent him from winning. I'd say protect the king by moving the knight, but I'm not sure as to wether it should be Ne7 or Ne5. In short term they seem equal to me, but Ne5 moves our knight closer to the battlefield Come to think of it (this post is taking me 20 minutes ), ne7 is better. If we do Ne5, our pawn at f6 will likely be taken by the queen as a consolation prize. Plus it will put our knight out in the open. I'd like to keep our queen where it is, it is keeping the whole SW region in check. My vote goes to Ne7 (though I don't like blocking the rook at e8) Hulk, do you have any input regarding the pawns? I didn't see how they could prevent the knigh/queen->checkmate setup. Keep up the good work Eye, you're an entertaintment to a lot of us. __________________ "Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. " - Murphy MacManus (Boondock Saints)

12-15-2003, 07:28 PM	#97 (permalink)
grumpyolddude Deliberately unfocused Location: Amazon.com and CDBaby	Let's not overlook the possibility of Bxf1. Take his rook away from blocking his king. Now he mus weigh his options... take our bishop (with the bishop or the rook?)... take our knight (with the bishop or the rook?)... or move his knight to f5? If he chooses the last one, we still have Qg4 to thwart him. We trade queens, but are now have 2 rooks, a bishop and a knight to his one rook and bishop. __________________ "Regret can be a harder pill to swallow than failure .With failure you at least know you gave it a chance..." David Howard

12-15-2003, 07:47 PM	#98 (permalink)
Ryan Crazy	I agree with Grumpyolddude on this move. And i feel it is our best move in this situation.

12-17-2003, 12:53 PM	#100 (permalink)
grumpyolddude Deliberately unfocused Location: Amazon.com and CDBaby	Silvy, nothing is certain. IF eyeronic plays Nf5 and Qg7, then we will trade queens. There's still a lot of game left here (and, remember, eyeronic is also a silent participant in our discussions. I hope he doesn't take any of my ramblings too seriously ). __________________ "Regret can be a harder pill to swallow than failure .With failure you at least know you gave it a chance..." David Howard

12-17-2003, 01:44 PM	#101 (permalink)
fienna i wanna be just like you Location: n to the j	i would strongly advise against bxf1 - he has no reason to care that we just took his rook - we can't achieve mate faster then he can in his 2 moves, so we won't be "forcing" him to do anything - his next move would still be white knight to g6. i vote ne7. __________________ to leave is never easy perhaps it shouldn't be but return is even harder yes return is harder still

12-20-2003, 09:32 AM	#102 (permalink)
grumpyolddude Deliberately unfocused Location: Amazon.com and CDBaby	There are 2 mate in 2 move dangers... Nf5 then Qg7... or Ng6 the Qh8. If we take the rook, we wait for his move. If Nf5, then we Qg4, if Ng6, then we move our pawn from f6 to f5 defending h8 with our queen. Ne7 is not a bad move, just less aggressive than I would play. __________________ "Regret can be a harder pill to swallow than failure .With failure you at least know you gave it a chance..." David Howard

12-21-2003, 08:53 AM	#103 (permalink)
Kadath Muffled Location: Camazotz	I haven't been in on this game in quite a while, but I also vote Ne7. However, I frankly don't see how eye moving Ng6 would be mate in two. Our response to that would be to have the pawn take the knight, which would not leave us well off, but certainly would not mate. So we have to defend against Nf5. __________________ it's quiet in here

12-22-2003, 02:30 AM	#104 (permalink)
eyeronic I run E. Location: New York	Vacation till the 2nd! (Maybe I'll get bored out here in Seattle and rokk my next amazing move...) Happy Holidays! __________________ I hold with those that favor fire.

01-14-2004, 10:06 PM	#105 (permalink)
wordssmith22 Crazy	great idea, reminds me a lot of russia vs the rest of the world for some reason. btw, i agree with grumpy's move. i don't see any problem with taking the rook. the queen and knight aren't in any position to make an unstoppable or even materially damaging threat. but that might just be what he wants us to think.... kudos to eyeronic for setting this up Last edited by wordssmith22; 01-14-2004 at 10:14 PM..

01-14-2004, 10:16 PM	#106 (permalink)
wordssmith22 Crazy	actually, does he have a perpetual check up his sleeve? bxf1 ng6 fxg6 qxg6+ kh8 qh6...

01-15-2004, 09:36 PM	#108 (permalink)
wordssmith22 Crazy	do or die eh? but still, a draw over some 10+ people would suit me fine.

05-27-2004, 03:36 PM	#109 (permalink)
eyeronic I run E. Location: New York	1.d4... e6 2.c4...Nf6 3.Bg5...Bb4+ 4.Nc3...h6 5.Bh4...d5 6.Nf3...Nc6 7.cxd5...Qxd5 8.a3...Bxc3 9.bxc3...O-O 10.Bxf6...gxf6 11.g3...e5 12.Bg2...Bg4 13.Nh4...Qc3 14.Qd2...exd4 15.Rac1...Rae8 16.0-0...Bxe2 17.cxd4...Qxd4 18.Qxh6...Bxf1 19.Nf5... I would have gone for the perpetual check, but hell, let's keep it interesting. Sorry to make you guys wait a few months... __________________ I hold with those that favor fire.

05-27-2004, 08:20 PM	#110 (permalink)
Kadath Muffled Location: Camazotz	Well as I see it Qg4 is the only way to avoid an immediate mate. Then we can either trade queens or our bishop for the knight. __________________ it's quiet in here

05-27-2004, 11:27 PM	#111 (permalink)
Silvy paranoid Location: The Netherlands	I agree Qg4 And welcome back Eyeronic! __________________ "Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. " - Murphy MacManus (Boondock Saints)

05-28-2004, 10:05 PM	#112 (permalink)
mgcloud Upright	Yep - Qg4 This is a really cool idea!

05-29-2004, 07:57 AM	#113 (permalink)
grumpyolddude Deliberately unfocused Location: Amazon.com and CDBaby	Welcome back Eye! Nice move! I agree with Qg4 __________________ "Regret can be a harder pill to swallow than failure .With failure you at least know you gave it a chance..." David Howard

05-31-2004, 08:20 PM	#114 (permalink)
H12 I'm not about getting creamed, I'm about winning! Location: K-Town, TN	Qg4, easily. Nothing else...just Qg4. __________________ "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act, but a habit." --Aristotle

09-11-2004, 06:34 PM	#115 (permalink)
eyeronic I run E. Location: New York	Do you guys accept a draw? I offer one! __________________ I hold with those that favor fire.

09-12-2004, 02:07 PM	#116 (permalink)
Kadath Muffled Location: Camazotz	I see the strategy. Wait 3 months, then offer a draw! __________________ it's quiet in here

09-13-2004, 06:19 PM	#117 (permalink)
firebirdta Crazy	This is a great idea. I wish I had seen it earlier. Eye, if you don't have the time or don't wish to continue, I will gladly take over for you. Otherwise, let's continue this great game. __________________ "Even if you prove me wrong, I'm not going to believe you." - A. McGill

09-13-2004, 06:21 PM	#118 (permalink)
eyeronic I run E. Location: New York	Fact is. This is the most labor intensive thing I do on the TFP. You guys all gave me a run for my money, but I hardly have the time to keep up on a daily basis. I wish I'd forced the draw before, but it still looks drawish to me. What do you say folks? __________________ I hold with those that favor fire.

09-14-2004, 04:38 AM	#119 (permalink)
hulk C'mon, just blow it. Location: Perth, Australia	I'm all for it =) I'm still up for that chess tourney, if anyone wants to resurrect it =) __________________ "'There's a tendency among the press to attribute the creation of a game to a single person,' says Warren Spector, creator of Thief and Deus Ex." -- From an IGN game review.