Horizons

[gungho]

has anyone been watching this mmorpg? it looks great just though id see what u all have to say about it

[Hrothgar]

Now that the NDA has been lifted I have been hearing nothing but bad things. I was going to pass on it anyway.

[Ooja Nikaboloko]

? If you were under the NDA, you would have tested it? If so you would have personal views and not hearsay.

NDA only applies to people who were in beta...

[seretogis]

I played the beta for a little while, and it is honestly pretty horrible. I remember drooling over the game years ago -- it offered options and features that UO2 couldn't even think of topping. Instead, it turned into an EQ clone with playable dragons.

[Hrothgar]

Originally posted by Ooja Nikaboloko
? If you were under the NDA, you would have tested it? If so you would have personal views and not hearsay.

NDA only applies to people who were in beta...

Maybe I trust those people enough to value their input? It is my right to do so.

[gungho]

i also read a bunch of beta reviews and a lot of them liked it but though some of the classes needed work done to them. but the overall feeling was that the game would be worthwhile. im still not sure how no pvp in an mmorpg will work out but i think ill be optimistic...

[cradeg]

in horizons will be NO PVP , its only vs the Enviroment

[Ooja Nikaboloko]

Originally posted by Hrothgar
Maybe I trust those people enough to value their input? It is my right to do so.

Thats fine, its your perogative, but why mention NDA? If u DIDNT beta it, you wouldnt be held under it.

If u did beta then you would be under NDA, but would have some personal opinions on the game.

Sorry if I come across as angry but Im sick of people criticising games before they have even tried them.

[Kadath]

Originally posted by Ooja Nikaboloko
Thats fine, its your perogative, but why mention NDA? If u DIDNT beta it, you wouldnt be held under it.

If u did beta then you would be under NDA, but would have some personal opinions on the game.

Sorry if I come across as angry but Im sick of people criticising games before they have even tried them.

How about, the people previously under the NDA were able to start expressing their opinions about it, thus he was able to start hearing those opinions and forming his opinions from those opinions? That's why mention NDA.
I'd agree with you about criticizing games before playing them if MMORPGs didn't have a double cost and more of them did what EQ did, which is have a final beta phase that accepts everyone and lasts about a month before launch, so people who are interested but not lucky enough to get in the early betas can see if the game is worth playing or not before shelling out 50 bucks plus a monthly cost(I know, most similar games ship with a free month or whatever, but the double cost still exists, in that if you don't like the game, you're not even left with a game you can dig up and play when you're bored on a sunday afternoon like other bad games I've purchased.)

[Ooja Nikaboloko]

True... Apologies..

[Beltruckus]

I was excited about it back when there were going to be demons, angels, vampires.. along with many other races that have never been in any other game, along with it having a cool pvp system. Now as others have said it turned into an eq clone with good crafting. I'll pass.

[Mr.Deflok]

I got a Beta Demo from work (was available to those who pre-ordered), absolutely crap game, it was like playing a half-arsed game made in the mid-nineties. But that's my opinion, yours will undoubtedly be different.

[Plan9Senior]

Taken from what I have read:

* No Swimming. Due to graphics engine used. Requires tricks/exceptions to achieve this actions.
* No Doors on Buildings.. Due to graphics engine used. Requires tricks/exceptions to achieve this actions. I hear the excuse was that the people of Istaria don’t want doors.
* No Building that can be Entered.. Due to graphics engine used. Requires tricks/exceptions to achieve this actions.
* No Dungeons. Due to graphics engine used. Requires tricks/exceptions to achieve this actions.
* Limited Character Animations. Also linked to swimming issue.
* Limited or near no Emote Animations
* No Equipable Items.
* No Mob Pulling Spells. Other words crowd control spell.
* Short Distance Landscape transitions. Notes in this review.
* Character Slow Movement Speeds to artificially make virtual world seem bigger.
* Out of Proportion and out of normal gravity rules concepts for weapons etc.
* No Ground to Air or Air to Ground Attacks, even though there is flying for one model.
* No Graphical Representation of Travel. Example mounts and boats
* Subjected Race Satyr is Bipedal and is identical to human model except head. This could mean that it will simply add to the other basic avatar lists and not be a specific player class type.
* Welgar Subjected Race has been hacked and shown only contain limited animation templates therefore indicating that the Welgar is not free-able yet.
* Limited Attractions. Main one is the Maelstrom but once players have experienced this what else is there.
* Calculated Failure. Can Atari confirm they will support the game if AE can’t profit. Many have discussed that the figure for the stability of this product don’t match up.

Have fun for whoever decides to play this flop

[Moonduck]

Buddy of mine is in the beta for Horizons. I've played it a bit here and there at his place. I'll give my anecdotal notes on the stuff presented here by Plan9 (yes, I am aware that Plan9 explained his info as something he read. I'm not arguing with Plan9, merely backing up or refuting his notes as my experience in Horizons showed.)

* No Swimming. Due to graphics engine used. Requires tricks/exceptions to achieve this actions.

Can't say. Never tried to swim as the areas I played in didn't have any deep water. The water looked nice and there were some animations in place to show that the character was wading.

* No Doors on Buildings.. Due to graphics engine used. Requires tricks/exceptions to achieve this actions. I hear the excuse was that the people of Istaria don’t want doors.

I honestly cannot recall a building that had doors.

* No Building that can be Entered.. Due to graphics engine used. Requires tricks/exceptions to achieve this actions.

I went into a number of buildings. Not sure about this comment.

* No Dungeons. Due to graphics engine used. Requires tricks/exceptions to achieve this actions.

Depends on your definition of dungeon. I gather from my friend that there are dungeons of some sort in place.

* Limited Character Animations. Also linked to swimming issue.

They were having some graphic issues when I played, but it was working, there was a broad range of animations.

* Limited or near no Emote Animations

I saw emotes animations when I played.

* No Equipable Items.

Erm, saw equippable items too. Equipped some, in fact. Perhaps I'm not understanding this comment.

* No Mob Pulling Spells. Other words crowd control spell.

Didn't play any sort of caster so I've no idea on lack of CC.

* Short Distance Landscape transitions. Notes in this review.

Erm, not sure what this is referring to.

* Character Slow Movement Speeds to artificially make virtual world seem bigger.

Movement did not seem appreciably slower than EQ or DAoC.

* Out of Proportion and out of normal gravity rules concepts for weapons etc.

No ide. Never saw gravity effects or anything close to something needing a gravity effect. What is this in reference to?

* No Ground to Air or Air to Ground Attacks, even though there is flying for one model.

Yup, adult dragons fly and have aerial combats. There is no interface between air & ground, and I am thankful. It would suck to get jumped by some flying beasty only to have it fly away bewteen its' attack phases. It would be exploitative for the dragon PC's to do likewise.

* No Graphical Representation of Travel. Example mounts and boats

Yup, nothing like that.

* Subjected Race Satyr is Bipedal and is identical to human model except head. This could mean that it will simply add to the other basic avatar lists and not be a specific player class type.

Dont recall a satyr as a playable race. There was a sort of demonic looking race with satyr-like horns, but their torso differed from the human.

* Welgar Subjected Race has been hacked and shown only contain limited animation templates therefore indicating that the Welgar is not free-able yet.

Uh, okay.

* Limited Attractions. Main one is the Maelstrom but once players have experienced this what else is there.

Ayup, not a howle lot of content unlocked in beta. Yup. Course the concept behind the game world is that it will boraden as the players open it up via exploration.

* Calculated Failure. Can Atari confirm they will support the game if AE can’t profit. Many have discussed that the figure for the stability of this product don’t match up.

Cannot say anything good about Atari any more, so I'll have to side with ya a bit on this one.

For me, I was non-plussed and will not be buying Horizons. YMMV.

[Hrothgar]

Originally posted by Ooja Nikaboloko
True... Apologies..

Accepted. No hard feelings man.

[cradeg]

i think i stick to EQ .. i have a bad feeling about this game as it would be the first mmrpg that will fails and vanish soon