WC3: The Frozen Throne - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

seretogis · 07-04-2003, 09:15 PM

I got this expansion yesterday, and have played through it. It's about 26 levels (including a bonus chapter) and is pretty impressive. There are new heroes, new units, new structures, new items, new monsters, but only one new cinematic (

).

It continues the story pretty much right after RoC left off, and the ending is pretty satisfying as well. Anyone have any more detailed comments? :O

dim5 · 07-04-2003, 10:17 PM

You played through the entire single-player campaign in one day? That's either really impressive, or a really short single-player campaign.

seretogis · 07-04-2003, 11:16 PM

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Originally posted by dim5
You played through the entire single-player campaign in one day? That's either really impressive, or a really short single-player campaign.

It was about 8-9 hours of gameplay I think, and I started playing it two days ago actually. It's comparable to the amount of content in the original game, though only has three scenarios instead of four.

TheClarkster · 07-05-2003, 12:26 AM

All I have to say is.... I hate mountain giants. Ugh.

diergray · 07-05-2003, 05:54 PM

So far I really like it. To be honest I prefer the missions where you control the hero and a few minions to the base building ones. I hope WoW is more like the hero control missions.

seretogis · 07-06-2003, 12:42 AM

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Originally posted by diergray
So far I really like it. To be honest I prefer the missions where you control the hero and a few minions to the base building ones. I hope WoW is more like the hero control missions.

WoW will be somewhat like EverQuest -- it is not another RTS like Warcraft/2/3.

Kadath · 07-07-2003, 04:29 AM

I liked W3, but I'm not interested in ponying up the $40 for the expansion. It wasn't that good a game to spend almost a hundred bucks on. On that note, I saw at my local EB that the small box version is going for more than the collector's edition. ?!

seretogis · 07-07-2003, 06:27 AM

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Originally posted by Kadath
I liked W3, but I'm not interested in ponying up the $40 for the expansion. It wasn't that good a game to spend almost a hundred bucks on. On that note, I saw at my local EB that the small box version is going for more than the collector's edition. ?!

That's the RoC collector's edition -- it doesn't include TFT. TFT itself is about $35 (free shipping from EB, LINK), and is worth the cash imo.

rodimus · 07-07-2003, 01:09 PM

i love that game

Kadath · 07-07-2003, 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by seretogis
That's the RoC collector's edition -- it doesn't include TFT. TFT itself is about $35 (free shipping from EB, LINK), and is worth the cash imo.

Thanks for the info, though it was unnecessary -- I'm up to date on W3's pricing structure. Having spent $50 on the original I'm not interested in paying $35, if you like, for the expansion. It was a good game, but not a great one. Just didn't have that spark for me.

BAMF · 07-07-2003, 08:40 PM

I got warcraft3 a few months ago. It was new and cost me less than this expansion. I dont find myself playing it much anymore anyway.

lilxMONKEYxted · 07-07-2003, 10:41 PM

Well, i'm pretty much finshed with campaign, so, now i'm starting on battle.net. What's your favorite race? Do you have any ladder game tips, build order, heros, strategies?

StnkyMnky · 07-07-2003, 10:48 PM

Playing online is the best part of this game IMO. I haven't found another RTS that is even half as fun to play online. On that note, check out the custom game(mod) rival nations. It's like crack concentrated into video game form.

StnkyMnky · 07-07-2003, 10:57 PM

The best thing you can do to improve your strategy is to download replays at a site like warcraftstrategy.com (just save them in your replays folder in the warcraft directory). And IMO going random is the most enjoyable way to play. Gives your enemy an element of suprise.

lilxMONKEYxted · 07-08-2003, 02:27 AM

oh thanks i think so too. but, i'm still looking for tips and other strategies =)

StnkyMnky · 07-09-2003, 12:51 AM

hmm... in that case most newbies are thrown off by tier 2 air right now. Makes for some guilty feelings but you can usually kick someones ass with early air.

lilxMONKEYxted · 07-10-2003, 12:06 AM

yeah especially the wyvs at tier 2 PhEw gave me a headache i manged to beat them with a few slow and rifels =) any other things?

StnkyMnky · 07-10-2003, 02:32 AM

You can rush with undead. Just get a crypt lord as your first hero, select beetles as his skill and grab some ghouls. Then head off to the other persons base. It is wierd to be able to rush with undead.

YaWhateva · 07-10-2003, 11:40 AM

Orc is my favorite race to play with online, and i really love the neutral heroes especially the naga sea witch and the dark ranger(charm is really cool with very short down time). I cant seem to get good with the humans on an online game but everybody seems to love em. the tier 2 air has been really good to me since one of my fave strategies includes wyverns but it took awhile to get them when they were tier 3.

I really like the story so far, i think i almost done though, i am like on chapter 6 with the undead. I wish there was more cinematics though. And i am glad that they made the hard setting actually a challenge this time. But normal is a joke.

lilxMONKEYxted · 07-10-2003, 02:57 PM

i know right? normal is like blah but, hard..damn!! yeah i have tried the CL and beetles don't forget the wand of skelletons =P oh, also one secret strat i have is called *i named it myself* 3 ladies of death ONE POM, ONE NAGA, chims and talons, think about it, Farie fire, chims, SEARING ARROWS AND COLD ARROW AND DARK AROW TORNADO STARFALL CHARM i've won sOOo many games like that
=)

YaWhateva · 07-10-2003, 07:46 PM

That does sound good. I like the warden better than the POM but that does sound like a nice strat. I may have to try it.

Soda_BoB · 07-10-2003, 10:59 PM

Thanks for the info, I might actually buy it

lilxMONKEYxted · 07-11-2003, 01:05 AM

haha yup try it out but hey post some on here so i can use =P

lilxMONKEYxted · 07-11-2003, 02:01 AM

oh sorry to post 2wice in a row but, does anyone have any good build orders? i'm sort of rusty thanks to other games =(

lilxMONKEYxted · 07-11-2003, 02:02 AM

ok 3's a charm right? lol FrozeNxKnighT@uswest hit me up on Frozen Throne

thisisatest · 07-14-2003, 01:15 AM

I still love the game. WC3 i think is one of the best games out there.

But I hate to say this expansion Ive noticed a bit of a slip in the ultra-high quality I've come to expect from Blizzard.

For instance I've found a lot of the New Artwork Sub-Par. Some of the new player owned shops, such as the orcs, are super lame. The new seige units are way worse then the orignals.. and the obsidian statures are the stupest thing I ever saw.

Also, the single player campaign I think they totally forgot that WC is supposed to be an rts.. they tried to turn the game into a half-baked diablo or sometihng.

OK, maybe I'm being nitpicky.. cause I still fo enjoy playing on battlenet. I jsut hope this isnt the beginning of a decline in blizzards work.

surrealxknight · 07-14-2003, 02:32 AM

Devilinmypants · 07-14-2003, 07:05 AM

hey, i just bought frozen throne, but since my comp crashed i cant get it to install since WC3 is no longer in the registry. which means i have to re-install WC3 even though it is on the hard drive. This was the part where i was asking about illegal activities, but Ganguro edited me

surrealxknight · 07-15-2003, 03:12 AM

well i haven't finshed the campaign i'm on the humans right now but its getting pretty easy.. =(

fitz7099 · 07-15-2003, 12:17 PM

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Originally posted by seretogis
I got this expansion yesterday, and have played through it. It's about 26 levels (including a bonus chapter) and is pretty impressive. There are new heroes, new units, new structures, new items, new monsters, but only one new cinematic ().

It continues the story pretty much right after RoC left off, and the ending is pretty satisfying as well. Anyone have any more detailed comments? :O

one cinematic? i counted 2 and 1 in game

one where illidan summoned the naga (sp?)
the other where arthas walked up to the top of the frozen throne

and the in game one: illidan and arthas fought

Uuudar · 07-15-2003, 01:44 PM

I thought the expansion was very fun. The only thing that kinda got annoying was the fact that they kept using the having to control multiple armies at once (like in battle.net if your partner leaves). I thought that was over-used.

charlesesl · 07-15-2003, 08:13 PM

i am current one the blood elf campaign
and so far this game has some of the best mission design i ve seen in a RTS game.
i just love the mission where the blood elf guy and the naga girl have to rescue illidan from meive. u only get to control 3 heros (include the panda i got from the bonus mission) and where ur minnions fight the eneminies
as for the general quality, the games good, but not great
i really hate the new units. most are just used for mana burn. which just replaces the rows of the undead hunter

surrealxknight · 07-16-2003, 11:13 PM

did you guys check out the tip from lilxmonkeyxted, about the 3 ladies of death?

YaWhateva · 07-17-2003, 10:54 AM

Ya i use that 3 ladies of death tip now sometimes when i play night elf. Thats when i dont use my warden, keeper of the grove, naga witch combo. I love the keeper of the groves ultimate. Can really save you in a pinch. Does anyone here like the fairy dragons? i have been using them a little bit cuz their mana flare ability is pretty cool especially against undead and human.

And to whoever said that the obsidian statues suck, thats crap cuz the obsidian statues are great. Have two of them set to auto heal and one with your necros to heal mana, and have a bunch in destroyer form and they rule. And in a pinch you could just turn the ones that are still statues into destroyers. They are my favorite new unit by far.

Loki · 07-18-2003, 03:51 AM

there are actually four campaigns, with the fourth being the bonus orc campaign (which is more fun then then other three anyways + blizzard are gonna release more episodes of that sooner or later).

The ending of FT was very similiar to RoC (think cliffhanger with many unresolved story elements) and this annoyed me, because its unlikely we will find out what happens for a long time. imo, its only worth the purchase if you plan to play this a lot online. Otherwise, don't bother.

Mondak · 07-18-2003, 07:04 PM

I have not been playing the campaign that much so I did not read all the posts here. I did not want to spoil anything.

I have played a whole bunch online with some friends of mine and Random Teamates. I really like it better than TFT. I have always been a macro person and I like to have varied units. Massing casters all the time was getting really old. I like this game, while there has been more focus on tier 1, I really like the fact that there are more counters to different things.

Overall I have been having a lot of fun although I get beat by 12 year olds a lot. I am a slow old man. msg me anytime you see me on line. same user name.

surrealxknight · 07-18-2003, 07:21 PM

yup i've been playing online quite alot and my freakin teams are n00bs =( you guys have any good tips on micro ?

surrealxknight · 07-20-2003, 02:00 AM

bump!

seretogis · 07-20-2003, 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by fitz7099
one cinematic? i counted 2 and 1 in game

one where illidan summoned the naga (sp?)
the other where arthas walked up to the top of the frozen throne

and the in game one: illidan and arthas fought

Take a look at the campaign menu -- only the end sequence is really a cinematic. The others are in-game scripted sequences. Cinematics are pre-rendered high quality "movies", whereas the in-game scripted sequences are just in-game characters moved around like puppets.

YaWhateva · 07-20-2003, 11:52 AM

There is the one at the beginning though, that is a high quality cinematic. You dont have to do anything to see it though so i see what you are saying.

07-04-2003, 09:15 PM	#1 (permalink)
seretogis Huggles, sir? Location: Seattle	War3x: The Frozen Throne I got this expansion yesterday, and have played through it. It's about 26 levels (including a bonus chapter) and is pretty impressive. There are new heroes, new units, new structures, new items, new monsters, but only one new cinematic (). It continues the story pretty much right after RoC left off, and the ending is pretty satisfying as well. Anyone have any more detailed comments? :O __________________ seretogis - sieg heil perfect little dream the kind that hurts the most, forgot how it feels well almost no one to blame always the same, open my eyes wake up in flames

07-05-2003, 12:26 AM	#4 (permalink)
TheClarkster Very Proud of Ya Location: Simi Valley, CA	All I have to say is.... I hate mountain giants. Ugh. __________________ Do not speak Latin in front of the books.

07-05-2003, 05:54 PM	#5 (permalink)
diergray Psycho	So far I really like it. To be honest I prefer the missions where you control the hero and a few minions to the base building ones. I hope WoW is more like the hero control missions. __________________ "Behold the turtle. He makes progress only when he sticks his neck out.” ~ James Bryant Conant

07-07-2003, 04:29 AM	#7 (permalink)
Kadath Muffled Location: Camazotz	I liked W3, but I'm not interested in ponying up the $40 for the expansion. It wasn't that good a game to spend almost a hundred bucks on. On that note, I saw at my local EB that the small box version is going for more than the collector's edition. ?! __________________ it's quiet in here

07-07-2003, 10:41 PM	#12 (permalink)
lilxMONKEYxted Banned	Warcraft 3: The Frozen Throne Well, i'm pretty much finshed with campaign, so, now i'm starting on battle.net. What's your favorite race? Do you have any ladder game tips, build order, heros, strategies?

07-04-2003, 10:17 PM	#2 (permalink)
dim5 Crazy	You played through the entire single-player campaign in one day? That's either really impressive, or a really short single-player campaign.

07-07-2003, 01:09 PM	#9 (permalink)
rodimus Insane	i love that game

07-07-2003, 08:40 PM	#11 (permalink)
BAMF Crazy	I got warcraft3 a few months ago. It was new and cost me less than this expansion. I dont find myself playing it much anymore anyway.

07-07-2003, 10:48 PM	#13 (permalink)
StnkyMnky Upright Location: Utard	Playing online is the best part of this game IMO. I haven't found another RTS that is even half as fun to play online. On that note, check out the custom game(mod) rival nations. It's like crack concentrated into video game form.

07-07-2003, 10:57 PM	#14 (permalink)
StnkyMnky Upright Location: Utard	The best thing you can do to improve your strategy is to download replays at a site like warcraftstrategy.com (just save them in your replays folder in the warcraft directory). And IMO going random is the most enjoyable way to play. Gives your enemy an element of suprise.

07-08-2003, 02:27 AM	#15 (permalink)
lilxMONKEYxted Banned	oh thanks i think so too. but, i'm still looking for tips and other strategies =)

07-09-2003, 12:51 AM	#16 (permalink)
StnkyMnky Upright Location: Utard	hmm... in that case most newbies are thrown off by tier 2 air right now. Makes for some guilty feelings but you can usually kick someones ass with early air.

07-10-2003, 12:06 AM	#17 (permalink)
lilxMONKEYxted Banned	yeah especially the wyvs at tier 2 PhEw gave me a headache i manged to beat them with a few slow and rifels =) any other things?

07-10-2003, 02:32 AM	#18 (permalink)
StnkyMnky Upright Location: Utard	You can rush with undead. Just get a crypt lord as your first hero, select beetles as his skill and grab some ghouls. Then head off to the other persons base. It is wierd to be able to rush with undead.

07-10-2003, 11:40 AM	#19 (permalink)
YaWhateva Friend Location: New Mexico	Orc is my favorite race to play with online, and i really love the neutral heroes especially the naga sea witch and the dark ranger(charm is really cool with very short down time). I cant seem to get good with the humans on an online game but everybody seems to love em. the tier 2 air has been really good to me since one of my fave strategies includes wyverns but it took awhile to get them when they were tier 3. I really like the story so far, i think i almost done though, i am like on chapter 6 with the undead. I wish there was more cinematics though. And i am glad that they made the hard setting actually a challenge this time. But normal is a joke. __________________ “If the Americans go in and overthrow Saddam Hussein and it's clean, he has nothing, I will apologize to the nation, and I will not trust the Bush administration again.” - Bill O'Reilly "This is my United States of Whateva!"

07-14-2003, 02:32 AM	#27 (permalink)
surrealxknight Banned	bump

07-10-2003, 02:57 PM	#20 (permalink)
lilxMONKEYxted Banned	i know right? normal is like blah but, hard..damn!! yeah i have tried the CL and beetles don't forget the wand of skelletons =P oh, also one secret strat i have is called i named it myself 3 ladies of death ONE POM, ONE NAGA, chims and talons, think about it, Farie fire, chims, SEARING ARROWS AND COLD ARROW AND DARK AROW TORNADO STARFALL CHARM i've won sOOo many games like that =)

07-10-2003, 07:46 PM	#21 (permalink)
YaWhateva Friend Location: New Mexico	That does sound good. I like the warden better than the POM but that does sound like a nice strat. I may have to try it. __________________ “If the Americans go in and overthrow Saddam Hussein and it's clean, he has nothing, I will apologize to the nation, and I will not trust the Bush administration again.” - Bill O'Reilly "This is my United States of Whateva!"

07-10-2003, 10:59 PM	#22 (permalink)
Soda_BoB Psycho	Thanks for the info, I might actually buy it __________________ Just because you paranoid.don't mean they're not after you...- Kurt Cobain-Chopper Read Project Dolphin: Join the TFP Typing Team!

07-11-2003, 01:05 AM	#23 (permalink)
lilxMONKEYxted Banned	haha yup try it out but hey post some on here so i can use =P

07-11-2003, 02:01 AM	#24 (permalink)
lilxMONKEYxted Banned	oh sorry to post 2wice in a row but, does anyone have any good build orders? i'm sort of rusty thanks to other games =(

07-11-2003, 02:02 AM	#25 (permalink)
lilxMONKEYxted Banned	ok 3's a charm right? lol FrozeNxKnighT@uswest hit me up on Frozen Throne

07-14-2003, 01:15 AM	#26 (permalink)
thisisatest Upright	WC3 Frozen Throne.. a little dissapointing I still love the game. WC3 i think is one of the best games out there. But I hate to say this expansion Ive noticed a bit of a slip in the ultra-high quality I've come to expect from Blizzard. For instance I've found a lot of the New Artwork Sub-Par. Some of the new player owned shops, such as the orcs, are super lame. The new seige units are way worse then the orignals.. and the obsidian statures are the stupest thing I ever saw. Also, the single player campaign I think they totally forgot that WC is supposed to be an rts.. they tried to turn the game into a half-baked diablo or sometihng. OK, maybe I'm being nitpicky.. cause I still fo enjoy playing on battlenet. I jsut hope this isnt the beginning of a decline in blizzards work.

07-14-2003, 07:05 AM	#28 (permalink)
Devilinmypants Hippie relocationist. Location: Greensboro NC	hey, i just bought frozen throne, but since my comp crashed i cant get it to install since WC3 is no longer in the registry. which means i have to re-install WC3 even though it is on the hard drive. This was the part where i was asking about illegal activities, but Ganguro edited me Last edited by Ganguro; 07-14-2003 at 08:51 AM..

07-15-2003, 03:12 AM	#29 (permalink)
surrealxknight Banned	well i haven't finshed the campaign i'm on the humans right now but its getting pretty easy.. =(

07-15-2003, 01:44 PM	#31 (permalink)
Uuudar Insane	I thought the expansion was very fun. The only thing that kinda got annoying was the fact that they kept using the having to control multiple armies at once (like in battle.net if your partner leaves). I thought that was over-used.

07-15-2003, 08:13 PM	#32 (permalink)
charlesesl Psycho	i am current one the blood elf campaign and so far this game has some of the best mission design i ve seen in a RTS game. i just love the mission where the blood elf guy and the naga girl have to rescue illidan from meive. u only get to control 3 heros (include the panda i got from the bonus mission) and where ur minnions fight the eneminies as for the general quality, the games good, but not great i really hate the new units. most are just used for mana burn. which just replaces the rows of the undead hunter __________________ It did not really matter what we expected from life, but rather what life expected from us. Dr. Viktor E. Frankl

07-16-2003, 11:13 PM	#33 (permalink)
surrealxknight Banned	did you guys check out the tip from lilxmonkeyxted, about the 3 ladies of death?

07-17-2003, 10:54 AM	#34 (permalink)
YaWhateva Friend Location: New Mexico	Ya i use that 3 ladies of death tip now sometimes when i play night elf. Thats when i dont use my warden, keeper of the grove, naga witch combo. I love the keeper of the groves ultimate. Can really save you in a pinch. Does anyone here like the fairy dragons? i have been using them a little bit cuz their mana flare ability is pretty cool especially against undead and human. And to whoever said that the obsidian statues suck, thats crap cuz the obsidian statues are great. Have two of them set to auto heal and one with your necros to heal mana, and have a bunch in destroyer form and they rule. And in a pinch you could just turn the ones that are still statues into destroyers. They are my favorite new unit by far. __________________ “If the Americans go in and overthrow Saddam Hussein and it's clean, he has nothing, I will apologize to the nation, and I will not trust the Bush administration again.” - Bill O'Reilly "This is my United States of Whateva!"

07-18-2003, 03:51 AM	#35 (permalink)
Loki Psycho Location: Drifting.	there are actually four campaigns, with the fourth being the bonus orc campaign (which is more fun then then other three anyways + blizzard are gonna release more episodes of that sooner or later). The ending of FT was very similiar to RoC (think cliffhanger with many unresolved story elements) and this annoyed me, because its unlikely we will find out what happens for a long time. imo, its only worth the purchase if you plan to play this a lot online. Otherwise, don't bother.

07-18-2003, 07:04 PM	#36 (permalink)
Mondak Industrialist Location: Southern California	I have not been playing the campaign that much so I did not read all the posts here. I did not want to spoil anything. I have played a whole bunch online with some friends of mine and Random Teamates. I really like it better than TFT. I have always been a macro person and I like to have varied units. Massing casters all the time was getting really old. I like this game, while there has been more focus on tier 1, I really like the fact that there are more counters to different things. Overall I have been having a lot of fun although I get beat by 12 year olds a lot. I am a slow old man. msg me anytime you see me on line. same user name. __________________ All truth passes through three stages: First it is ridiculed Second, it is violently opposed and Third, it is accepted as self-evident. ARTHUR SCHOPENHAUER (1788-1860)

07-18-2003, 07:21 PM	#37 (permalink)
surrealxknight Banned	yup i've been playing online quite alot and my freakin teams are n00bs =( you guys have any good tips on micro ?

07-20-2003, 02:00 AM	#38 (permalink)
surrealxknight Banned	bump!

07-20-2003, 11:52 AM	#40 (permalink)
YaWhateva Friend Location: New Mexico	There is the one at the beginning though, that is a high quality cinematic. You dont have to do anything to see it though so i see what you are saying. __________________ “If the Americans go in and overthrow Saddam Hussein and it's clean, he has nothing, I will apologize to the nation, and I will not trust the Bush administration again.” - Bill O'Reilly "This is my United States of Whateva!"