I really wish they made this game for the Wii... oh well, I guess I'll have to wait for CoD 5.

Ahh now THATS the multiplayer experience I was looking for.

Despite having nothing but the basic perks I quickly figured out what I was doing and started to pretty much dominate like my old CS days.

Fast combat where pulling the trigger first counts, and so far it looks like the cheats must be pretty low, I'm sure it will be spoiled soon enough.

On a side note martyrdom is a really annoying game play perk, quite lame.

Haha, I couldn't stand Martyrdom until I finally got it and got the hang of getting the fuck out of there if I killed someone that had it in close quarters. I rarely die to it now, though I still die from random grenades thrown across the map.

Yea I figured it out (still lame) but it was really really lame on a server without grenade indicators, which is a option I think is good. Basically you had to find out who was using it the hard way a lot of times.

My only issue is finding servers seems a bit screwed up for the PC.

the multiplayer action is phenomenal! although it takes ages just to get into a game due to balancing team glitches. martyrdom is cool unless its used against you.

last stand is not that great though it is annoying. ive only died once due to last stand

I just beat it. Holy crap...I'm pretty much speechless. The single player was short, but so action packed and with such great level design that I don't mind that much. Who knew that emotion could be packed into a Call of Duty game that has a single player that lasts 6 hours or so. The game looked downright amazing on my 8800 GT. I'm about to dive into the multiplayer.

Mmm just got the p90 on multiplayer today.... ah p90 whoring just like the old CS days prior to the nerf.

I'm a twitch, run and gunner type of player, so any of the sub machine guns are my friend, really I found out later in the game but the MP5 is on of the best, the only reason the p90 is better is the bigger mag.

The p90 pisses me off. It's better than the AK, it's better than the M16, it's better than the M4. Quite frankly, at any distance shorter than sniping distance, the p90 is the gun to have. I hate when *one* gun is more powerful.

Oh well. :)

Just 1000 pt'd it yesterday, too. Try playing "One Shot, One Kill" or "Mile High Club" on Veteran. Talk about fucking hard? That's fucking hard. There was a section in the second-to-last level that was quite difficult on Veteran, also. Flashbang heaven.

Most challenging single-player I've ever played, because the AI is actually quite intelligent. You move more than a couple feet one way or the other, and they'll respond differently. As such, every time you die, it's a different person or a different angle.

Veteran? No thank you, sir. I had one too many fits on my first go through to try plugging it up on Veteran. Kudos to you though for finishing it.

The single player was fun, but the "team" is kind of worthless. Good for shooting the shit out of things...just not terrorists. By the by, the AC-130 level was pretty good. As was the sniper mission.

Actually I was whoring around a bit last night and I think the p90 is over rated. Its the best run and gun weapon but only because of the mag size. Its not a sniper/rifle weapon, you should not being dying to them long range if you move when you first get hit. On smaller maps with lots of cover its great but on maps with some open ground too I switched back to the SAW as its longer range meant I could take out rifle users and the high magazine means you can still run and gun.

Interestingly one of the most overpowered weapons, unrealistically, is the m16. If you take that and the penetration bonus it can one shot anyone, and you can snipe with it.

My record for a team death match is 115 kills (20 players) and that was using the MP5 of all things. Check the stats, the MP5 is better than the p90 other than the mag size and slightly in rate of fire.

Yea the key to the "team" is to make them get REALLY close to the enemies. At a distance > 5 feet, they just shoot over and over in the general direction of the enemy. They're useful for spotting enemies you can't see, as they just keep shooting at them (without killing them, of course).

When they're forced to be really close to the enemies, like in Mile High Club, they're very effective. In fact, in order to beat it on Veteran (only 60 seconds), you have to leave 2 or 3 for your team to kill, because you simply don't have time to do it yourself.

And yea, Veteran made me scream. The part in One Shot One Kill where you have to defend the Ferris Wheel is so god damned insane on Veteran. There are LITERALLY 120 terrorists, all of which will kill you in 2 to 3 AK bullets. Half of my attempts were spent trying to find some little nook to hide in that was impervious to grenades, because they all seem to have 2 grenades EACH.

EDIT for Ustwo:

Yea, I just kept getting stuck on Bloc.. I think that's the name of it. With the two long apartment buildings facing one another. Every time I came around a fucking corner, it was a P90. Maybe not overpowered in general, but definitely on that map. Have you tried P90 with Sleight of Hand? Holy shit, that's a fast reload. :)

Thats just an awful camping map and I can see why most servers don't have it on their rotation.

I used slight of hand with the AK for a while but I either use the penetration perk or more rare the UAV blocker.

I still fucking hate martyrdom though. Its not just getting away from the grenade, I can do that, but the blind rush you need to do means you rush out without being able to check for enemies. On maps with a lot of players its really annoying. Also since martyrdom only affects players rushing into a fight, it hurts non-campers far more than campers. Stupid perk.

Oh, you must play the PC version. I don't get to pick. :)

Honestly I don't know how people play these games with the console controllers.

On the plus side you don't have to deal with aimbots.

P90 with Silencer/UAV Jammer/Dead Silence ftw. :D

Might seem like a side-effect to you, but its the reason I play console FPS. I don't have to worry that it's that they have a better video card than me, that they have a better monitor than me, that they have a better mouse than me. We all have the same hardware. And most importantly, someone wanting to "hack" at the game would have to hack the entire system. It's not something a casual hacker does.

I'm a much better PC shooter, and CS/Battlefield were my favorite games for a long time. But the cheats and hardware advantages got old.

And if you crank the sensitivity up on a console, you can whip around just as fast.

I'd never be able to play the twitch game like I am able to with the mouse, I never mastered those controllers.

Not dealing with potential cheats is a plus, though I did find some well monitored servers, and I have pretty much the best current hardware, so I'm good there.

Now back to the game.

I practiced whoring with the m16 a bit and it took me a while to get the hang of it. On a well organized server (all in the same clan but 2 of us) I gave up with an even ratio before going back to the p90/saw whore.

Then I found where the m16 just shines. Bigger maps with 20+ people. Its like a sniper + good close ranged weapon as well. You will lose at point blank to a good sub machine gunner and only if you miss your first burst. I just came off as my teams kill leader two games in a row on a size 32 deathmatch server (with a good kd ratio) using only the m16. It is a bit more of a camper weapon though as you can't hose down a room.

I'm not sure how it is on the console side, but we get 5 favorites and I'm doing 2 p90's set ups, 1 m16 1 saw and currently right now a silenced m16 for those more strategic games.

Likewise with 5 favorites; I've only got two setups that I use actively;

Wall of Bullets
SAW with Red Dot
Special x3 (I'll probably switch this to frag x 3)
Stopping Power
Deep Impact

Marine (Creative, I know)
M16 with Red Dot
Special x3
Stopping Power
Matryrdom (hey, I need the points)

Have you tried double tap? I haven't yet, think I might tonight..

Yet another reason I get so pissed at PC FPSes:

http://blandname.com/2007/12/31/call...editor-for-pc/

Cheat your way to perfect stats on the PC version, yay!

The way I look at it I only compete with the guys on the server I'm playing, so my stat total doesn't bother me. Sometimes I'm the angel of death on a server if everyone else is lower skilled, other times I'm fighting to stay in the upper middle of the pack.

I don't think the PC side has a wall of bullets perk, never heard of it at any rate.

I've used double tap and I wasn't impressed. I tend to die more needing to reload so emptying the clip faster doesn't do much, I'd rather have the extra damage perk.

My normal set up 90% of the time is bandoleers, whatever that damage perk is called, and steady aim.

Wall of the Bullets is the name I gave my class. :)

And steady aim? Really? I didn't notice much motion bob, but maybe I haven't been looking for it. Most of time I'm sprinting, so my biggest problem is the time it takes to bring the gun back down after stopping sprint.

Yea I figured that out later and didn't have time to edit.

Steady aim is important for firing from the hip, less gun site bloom.

I noticed it doesn't stack with the grips, though. At least not that I could tell. I've been going through the weapons earning the Marksman awards and to be quite honest there aren't any terribly bad weapons. I'm regularly in the top 2 score positions in team DM no matter what I take (except the first crappy sniper rifle - 100 kills was a pain!).

I jumped into the multiplayer last night. Man what a change from the Battlefield series!! In Battlefield (any of them) I get in first every single game I play, regardless of map, team, anything. My accuracy is 75% and my kill to death ratio is 3:1. My points to death ratio is like 8:1. Basically I'm a walking death machine in Battlefield. But wow, I got my ass handed to me in COD4.

A HUGE part of it is me not being familiar with the maps. The kill cam has showed me that the guys who are killing me simply know the best place to camp on the map and the best place to look for enemies.

It's more hardcore than Battlefield due to the EXTREMELY realistic bullet damage. 1-3 shots and you're dead, as it should be.

Despite not being used to the MP, I'm still getting in 2nd, 3rd, 4th most of the time out of ~20 players.

So far I'm liking the M16 with red dot scope the best. I just unlocked the M4 with red dot scope and I'm thinking about trying it out. BTW I keep getting killed over.and over.and over with the P90 so I'm pretty sure it will be a next unlock (they kill me a short, medium, and long range too).

BTW some of these MP maps are breathtaking. Overgrown and the other blown-up town in the middle of Iraq level are stunning. Constant 60 FPS with everything maxed on my 8800 GT.

BTW some of the snipers in this game are sick. I don't actually mind getting killed by them because sniping is pretty badass in COD4 with the breath system and bullet trajectory like BF.

New favorite: SAW with ACOG scope. Got in first place a few times with it today!! Now that I know the maps better I'm starting to have a higher kill to death ratio.

EDIT: My favorite weapon isn't the SAW, it's the M60. Don't know what I was thinking. :thumbsup: Once I got the M60 I started using it exclusively and it's freaking awesome. Takes some major skill to use it though...when compared to the M4 and M16 it's REALLY inaccurate. You have to fire the gun completely different at every angle and distance. I used to have the ACOG on it but I traded it for the Grip. I also have Double Tap and Steady Aim enabled on that setup. It's pretty brutal once you get the hang of it. Got first place today on a 24 player map. It's funny to see all the grenade launcher/sniper/M16 whores and then a guy with the M60 in 1st.

Not sure if I'm gonna keep the Grip on it. I really like the ACOG and Red Dot, but man, there's nothing like having an M60 that fires at fast AND is effective at close range.

Dump the grip, put on a red dot sight and you'll be golden. Pick up steady aim and it'll keep your accuracy close to the grip level and you'll be able to take an explosive perk or bundle in some extra ammo, and the red dot sight is great for long-range fire.

I tried the saw with the grip and no steady aim and it was awful.

I run and gun, I shoot from the hip 80% of the time, I can get a huge k/d by camping a choice spot but thats not what I enjoy. Saw + Grip + steady aim is the way to go for me. I can pick off from long range (yea red dot is better there) and hose down a room like a p90 with a bigger clip.

If I do get to the point I run out of ammo I just pick something up, it takes a lot of spraying to completely burn your ammo with a saw.

I've definitely been debating this. I had the ACOG or red dot on it for a while but once I got the grip + steady aim going, firing from the hip is insane. Even the P90 can't touch its hip power unless you're between medium and long range. I'll try it again tonight though...I'm definitely missing some sort of scope.

If you are going to do that, why use the SAW?

I'd use the G36C, or something else you can fire from the hip and peg people at long range, plus run faster with.

I don't have much luck with the carbine, but I've had some nice runs with the G36C, though the P90 is still better over all. The G36C is better for long range fire but other than that the P90 owns it.

I'm only trying to play hardcore servers right now so YMMV.

Right now I'm running mostly with a UAV jammer and silencer. Its fun how when the enemy UAV is up my kill count goes up as people get lazy and rely on it.

I don't use the SAW, I use the M60.

Not many people use it so it's a nice change of pace from the generic assault rifle whores. It's really fun to get in 1st place on a GOOD server with the M60 anyway. Way better sense of accomplishment than using the same guns as everyone else!!

BTW I took the Grip off and put on a scope. Not sure if I'm liking it....after using the Grip for a couple of days you can REALLY tell when it's gone during medium and long range shots. It bounces all over the place without it.

Running speed is identical with all weapons, afaik. The fact that you can hold the trigger down 3-4 times longer than anyone else is a huge bonus to the LMGs - they duck behind something to reload and I can quite often run in/around there without letting up the fire, and still have over half a clip left.

I love this game so much

No, its definitely faster with a sub machine gun than a light. You also walk faster too.

I'm not saying they are not good, its one of my favorite weapons, but they are less mobile. On most maps thats not such a big deal because you don't want to rush into being ambushed anyways, and on small maps the bigger clip can be very nice.

Ok I'm definitely putting the Grip back on after work. The scope is worthless if you're bouncing all over when you have to go even semi auto with it.

Did you try the red dot sight? ;)

I've tried it before and I did like it. I will try it again tonight but if the accuracy is still as bad without the Grip then I'm sticking with the grip.

I've come to really like the G36C with the Grenade Launcher/Stopping Power/Deep Impact for maps like Downpour, Vacant, Countdown and District. Although sometimes I'll use the MP5 or P90 for Vacant.

Not really a fan of the LMG's, I run into a lot of people that just spray and pray with them. -_-

You ain't hittin shit with an LMG if you spray and pray. :) You gotta be damn accurate it even from the hip if you want to kill someone considering the hip fire accuracy of basically any of the other weapons in the game.

I rarely die to people that spray and pray with LMG's, but when I do and I see the killcam of them shooting from left to right it's lame. I have no problems dying to people that have the sights right on me.

I agree, but keep in mind that if you're using a LMG at close to medium range, you can't zoom in to the sights and fire. If you do, you die. On the servers I play on if you have time to zoom in, something is wrong. All the P90 and Skorpion people with Double Tap keep you from being able to zoom in with an LMG.

That is pretty lame about people spraying from left to right though. The only time I've ever did that I had 5 people in the same room with me that I walked in on and literally had to spray to hit all of them. It was great. :thumbsup: