Call of Duty 4
 

The next (and best imho) Call of Duty drops Tuesday the 6th. Did anybody beta this (I did), are you buying it, and which system? Personally, I thought it was one of the best shooters out. I was an loyal SOCOM player since the first one was released. I have been turned! Talk to me, tell me what you have seen and what you think.

I played the demo and it was pretty awesome. Great level design and really awesome controls. Haven't played the multiplayer yet.

Played the beta and it was pretty fun. I plan on getting it for 360.

I played the demo, and it was great. The Call of Duty games always catch me off guard for how they throw you into just the absolutely worst shitfest of a scenario in the history of FPS. Rockets and bullets flying by you, 10 machine gun turrets firing at you, explosions constantly going off, etc.

Very nice graphics engine as well!

I didn't play the beta, but I've watched a lot of videos, interviews, etc. It looks very promising. For those who have played, how much customization is there? I know you can get various abilities and unlock new equipment, but is there enough of this to make your soldier feel unique?

Will this have offline multiplayer on the 360?

This game is bad ass if you haven't picked it up yet, go get it. I haven't had this much fun with a FPS in a loooooong time and I've been gaming since the original NES

I have it. The game is as expected...SWEEEEEET!! If you are considering picking the game up, do so NOW (if you can find it). The online play is great, the levels are wonderful, and the little bit of single player I have actually played was also good. I was a huge fan of the whole SOCOM series and I am afraid that they have missed the boat by not releasing anything for the next gen consuls! They keep putting recycled crap out for the PSP and the PS2, but nothing new on the Xbox360 or PS3. Last I heard, they were going to be in the development phase for a while still to come. Anyways, post your XBOX live ID's to get some people together. Mine is CORDACHINE. Good hunting!

Anyone have this for the PC?

I find stuff which makes 360 users cheer tends to mean crappy console style game play on the PC.

it's not a port from the 360 to the pc. It's supposedly amazing on the PC.

The PC version plays a lot like the first 2 so if you liked those you'll be happy. There are a few console concessions made like no save anywhere (checkpoints only) and the FOV is set to 60 degrees by default but it's easy enough to kick it up to 80 - 90 degrees depending on your preference by adding seta cg_fov "90" to C:\Program Files\Activision\Call of Duty 4 - Modern Warfare\players\profiles\Profile Name\config.cfg .

Ive only played the PC version. My thoughts after playing 4-5 levels: superb graphics, above average controls, meh gameplay. Its pretty consoled-out. You can only carry 2 weapons at anytime, not including grenades/flashbangs/c4. So if an enemy drops (or you find) a cool weapon, you have to swap one of your 2 guns. Its very, very linear...follow your squad here, follow them there...clear out the area...follow them to the next area, rinse-repeat. No time to take in the surroundings and amazing detail or consider alternate attacks or look for stuff because you're too busy trying to stay with your squad as they run into firefights. One of the good points is that it runs very smoothly on my mid-low end computer.

This game is spanktacular single-player and multi-player. If ya want a FPS for console or comp pick this up quick. I only wish i had an HDTV, the graphics are badass.

The variety of single-player levels is really nice and they are all really well done. I really enjoyed the sniper level where you get to sneak around. I usually never like sniper levels but that was fun sitting in the high weeds as that line of troops walked by a foot away. I really liked the part where Spoiler: you stumble out of the downed chopper after the nuke goes off

The dogs are a pain in the ass, but still fun.

HDTV a must to fully enjoy the game. I am at the same sniper level you are referring to and seem to get caught every time. So I went back to Online until I calm down a little. I have to agree with the spoiler ;) and i have yet to kill a dog while on the ground... Well, I hope to find a couple XBOX360 gamers on the board, but I guess this is a computer first kinda environment. Anyways, good hunting.

I watched some trailers. I watched some trailers of other games on the horizon too.



Dammit, I'm going to need a new PC soon. I'm not even multi-core, nor PCI-E, yet.

just played the demo, man this game is hot shit.

I've started playing the game yesterday, and am impressed. It's fun, action-packed, and runs pretty good on my oldish PC (nvidia 6600GT).

(spoiler alert) <span style="background: white; color: white;"> And this is the first time I got to use a spectre gunship. That was FUN!</span> :)

so i caved and i bought it for the pc, and its amazing. Too bad I suck at the multiplayer portion haha.

Finished the game last night...it got a lot better than the first few levels. I played on Veteran setting (one less than max difficulty) and some levels were a hell of a challenge in a good way. Gameplay, while squad-based, was extremely intense throughout the game. Firefights were awesome. I'll mention bumper cars and farmhouses as 2 levels of particularly outstanding gaming intensity. I also agree with Dragonlich, that was a fun and original level. I hope that kind of thing shows up in future games. The shotgun was one of the best shotguns ever in a fps. The graphics really are unbelievable, photo-realistic...its like being in a movie. I was disappointed when it came to an end. 8/10.

I'm considering getting it solely because of the fact that you can play as the AC-130 gunner with the IR sight and everything
http://stage6.divx.com/user/Cruzore/video/1857116/

oh that stage was awesome.

I picked it up for the 360 while on leave, mostly to play on Live! and rank up. The online multiplayer is awesome. Doubly so since they left the achievements for single-player, and use the challenges and rank system to give you a feel of progression in MP. That's really doubling the feeling of doing something in a game, IMHO.

I'm playing it on PC single player and multiplayer competitive matches. The single player absolutely has the best fps missions I've ever played. The only thing that sucks about single player is you are left wanting more levels or a mission pack to come out :)

Still getting the hang of multiplayer matches. It's very similar to counter-strike because scrims are played as search and destroy 4v4 or 5v5. Also, the airstrikes/helicopters/rpgs/grenade launchers are gone, and there's many perks that aren't available. The hardest thing about multiplayer is picking the models out of the very detailed enviornment imo.

The one thing I'm really hating about multiplayer matches atm is all the prenading that goes on. A couple well placed grenades near cars can own half your team in under 5 seconds of the round start.

Huh? There are still airstrikes, helicopters and RPGs in multiplayer. You can call in an airstrike after 5 consecutive kills without dying, and a helicopter after 7. RPGs are something you choose from the Perk 1 slot I believe. Grenade Launchers in the form of the M203 attachment for the M16 and M4 rifles are available but disable your Perk 1 slot. Maybe I misunderstood what you were saying?

As for picking out the models against detailed environments, it's tough... but it's AWESOME. That's pretty much what it's like in combat. Camouflage is a bitch! :p

Ya, I know in regular multiplayer they are there. But in competative gaming leagues like CEVO they change the ruleset to make the game less 'random'.

I like that aspect as well. The ghillie suits work damn well, especially in grass. I had no idea this sniper was prone in the grass until after he killed me and I saw the killcam.

I'm getting this as soon as i finish Mass Effect and Assassins Creed. It's allllll about the multiplayer on CoD, always has been for me. My Gamertag is vonstalhein72 if anyone wants to add me and get whupped (or whup alongside me.)

Picked up my copy yesterday from Circuit City for 39.99 + tax. Awesome deal for an awesome game.

I did some MP and then finished the first SP mission, this game is intense.

It sounds like I'm in the minority, but I was disappointed in the MP. The SP is amazing, and as stated before, intense, and the MP looks great, but it is just too much of a CS clone, minus the buying of items. I was really looking for more of a Battlefield2 experience with superior graphics. I guess all in all not bad, but just not what I wanted or expected.

Nik, I think you MIGHT actually be in the minority :p Most people dislike portions of the SP game, such as not being bale to fire from behind cover like the AI can. MP is a game like that is generally going to be a bit like CS, but the pace is faster or slower based on the map and teams and strategy is far more important than in CS since the combat system is part twitch-skill and part how much you've played, ranked up and earned extra items and options. You have to approach every game with far more care, even if you are a very good player. In CS, it was just slightly more skill based than Quake 3... which is to say it's more shoot, shoot and more shoot, and less cover, concealment and strategy.

also, from previous CoD games why anybody think it would be like battlefield?

The gunship was the best part!

best. online. game. evar.

Man I wish Live worked out here :(

Yeah, I bought the new Halo 3 maps and I'm still finding it hard for me to get away from the MP. I haven't even finished the damn SP I'm so engulfed in the MP. Just hit rank 31 last night too. I mainly use the G3 with red dot sight and Stopping Power/Martyrdom as my perks with claymores. I use the shotgun for the more confined maps like Vacant. I'm probably going to switch my sight to the ACOG scope and see how I do with it on the G3.

i have it for xbox its pretty badass....im tempted to buy it for the pc also

Got it for PS3 a few days ago. It looks great, specially in HD. I found it a bit overwhelming, never having played any Call Of Duty before I didnt know which way to turn when it all kicked off, bullets flying everywhere etc. I thought Resistance threw you in at the deep end till I played this. Its gotta be one of the most hectic FPS's out there.

Incredible game... Love the MP even if it sometimes it's like being locked in a phone booth with Wolverine.

SP is definitely fun time, great story and the variety in maps is nice.

9.4 out of ten for me.


I'm on late night most days.. The Fezzman is the tag, add it if you feel like blowing some shit up.

I bought it at Target for $37.99. Same day I got my new GeForce 8800 GT as well. Of course I've been so busy the last few days I haven't even got a chance to install it. Now I'm going out of town for the entire weekend so it's gonna be sitting here lusting after my skills until Sunday.

I just got this.

Only played the first two missions but I have to say its refreshing to have played two politically incorrect yet realistic FPS's in terms of enemies.

I really wish they made this game for the Wii... oh well, I guess I'll have to wait for CoD 5.

Ahh now THATS the multiplayer experience I was looking for.

Despite having nothing but the basic perks I quickly figured out what I was doing and started to pretty much dominate like my old CS days.

Fast combat where pulling the trigger first counts, and so far it looks like the cheats must be pretty low, I'm sure it will be spoiled soon enough.

On a side note martyrdom is a really annoying game play perk, quite lame.

Haha, I couldn't stand Martyrdom until I finally got it and got the hang of getting the fuck out of there if I killed someone that had it in close quarters. I rarely die to it now, though I still die from random grenades thrown across the map.

Yea I figured it out (still lame) but it was really really lame on a server without grenade indicators, which is a option I think is good. Basically you had to find out who was using it the hard way a lot of times.

My only issue is finding servers seems a bit screwed up for the PC.

the multiplayer action is phenomenal! although it takes ages just to get into a game due to balancing team glitches. martyrdom is cool unless its used against you.

last stand is not that great though it is annoying. ive only died once due to last stand

I just beat it. Holy crap...I'm pretty much speechless. The single player was short, but so action packed and with such great level design that I don't mind that much. Who knew that emotion could be packed into a Call of Duty game that has a single player that lasts 6 hours or so. The game looked downright amazing on my 8800 GT. I'm about to dive into the multiplayer.

Mmm just got the p90 on multiplayer today.... ah p90 whoring just like the old CS days prior to the nerf.

I'm a twitch, run and gunner type of player, so any of the sub machine guns are my friend, really I found out later in the game but the MP5 is on of the best, the only reason the p90 is better is the bigger mag.

The p90 pisses me off. It's better than the AK, it's better than the M16, it's better than the M4. Quite frankly, at any distance shorter than sniping distance, the p90 is the gun to have. I hate when *one* gun is more powerful.

Oh well. :)

Just 1000 pt'd it yesterday, too. Try playing "One Shot, One Kill" or "Mile High Club" on Veteran. Talk about fucking hard? That's fucking hard. There was a section in the second-to-last level that was quite difficult on Veteran, also. Flashbang heaven.

Most challenging single-player I've ever played, because the AI is actually quite intelligent. You move more than a couple feet one way or the other, and they'll respond differently. As such, every time you die, it's a different person or a different angle.

Veteran? No thank you, sir. I had one too many fits on my first go through to try plugging it up on Veteran. Kudos to you though for finishing it.

The single player was fun, but the "team" is kind of worthless. Good for shooting the shit out of things...just not terrorists. By the by, the AC-130 level was pretty good. As was the sniper mission.

Actually I was whoring around a bit last night and I think the p90 is over rated. Its the best run and gun weapon but only because of the mag size. Its not a sniper/rifle weapon, you should not being dying to them long range if you move when you first get hit. On smaller maps with lots of cover its great but on maps with some open ground too I switched back to the SAW as its longer range meant I could take out rifle users and the high magazine means you can still run and gun.

Interestingly one of the most overpowered weapons, unrealistically, is the m16. If you take that and the penetration bonus it can one shot anyone, and you can snipe with it.

My record for a team death match is 115 kills (20 players) and that was using the MP5 of all things. Check the stats, the MP5 is better than the p90 other than the mag size and slightly in rate of fire.

Yea the key to the "team" is to make them get REALLY close to the enemies. At a distance > 5 feet, they just shoot over and over in the general direction of the enemy. They're useful for spotting enemies you can't see, as they just keep shooting at them (without killing them, of course).

When they're forced to be really close to the enemies, like in Mile High Club, they're very effective. In fact, in order to beat it on Veteran (only 60 seconds), you have to leave 2 or 3 for your team to kill, because you simply don't have time to do it yourself.

And yea, Veteran made me scream. The part in One Shot One Kill where you have to defend the Ferris Wheel is so god damned insane on Veteran. There are LITERALLY 120 terrorists, all of which will kill you in 2 to 3 AK bullets. Half of my attempts were spent trying to find some little nook to hide in that was impervious to grenades, because they all seem to have 2 grenades EACH.

EDIT for Ustwo:

Yea, I just kept getting stuck on Bloc.. I think that's the name of it. With the two long apartment buildings facing one another. Every time I came around a fucking corner, it was a P90. Maybe not overpowered in general, but definitely on that map. Have you tried P90 with Sleight of Hand? Holy shit, that's a fast reload. :)

Thats just an awful camping map and I can see why most servers don't have it on their rotation.

I used slight of hand with the AK for a while but I either use the penetration perk or more rare the UAV blocker.

I still fucking hate martyrdom though. Its not just getting away from the grenade, I can do that, but the blind rush you need to do means you rush out without being able to check for enemies. On maps with a lot of players its really annoying. Also since martyrdom only affects players rushing into a fight, it hurts non-campers far more than campers. Stupid perk.

Oh, you must play the PC version. I don't get to pick. :)

Honestly I don't know how people play these games with the console controllers.

On the plus side you don't have to deal with aimbots.

P90 with Silencer/UAV Jammer/Dead Silence ftw. :D

Might seem like a side-effect to you, but its the reason I play console FPS. I don't have to worry that it's that they have a better video card than me, that they have a better monitor than me, that they have a better mouse than me. We all have the same hardware. And most importantly, someone wanting to "hack" at the game would have to hack the entire system. It's not something a casual hacker does.

I'm a much better PC shooter, and CS/Battlefield were my favorite games for a long time. But the cheats and hardware advantages got old.

And if you crank the sensitivity up on a console, you can whip around just as fast.

I'd never be able to play the twitch game like I am able to with the mouse, I never mastered those controllers.

Not dealing with potential cheats is a plus, though I did find some well monitored servers, and I have pretty much the best current hardware, so I'm good there.

Now back to the game.

I practiced whoring with the m16 a bit and it took me a while to get the hang of it. On a well organized server (all in the same clan but 2 of us) I gave up with an even ratio before going back to the p90/saw whore.

Then I found where the m16 just shines. Bigger maps with 20+ people. Its like a sniper + good close ranged weapon as well. You will lose at point blank to a good sub machine gunner and only if you miss your first burst. I just came off as my teams kill leader two games in a row on a size 32 deathmatch server (with a good kd ratio) using only the m16. It is a bit more of a camper weapon though as you can't hose down a room.

I'm not sure how it is on the console side, but we get 5 favorites and I'm doing 2 p90's set ups, 1 m16 1 saw and currently right now a silenced m16 for those more strategic games.

Likewise with 5 favorites; I've only got two setups that I use actively;

Wall of Bullets
SAW with Red Dot
Special x3 (I'll probably switch this to frag x 3)
Stopping Power
Deep Impact

Marine (Creative, I know)
M16 with Red Dot
Special x3
Stopping Power
Matryrdom (hey, I need the points)

Have you tried double tap? I haven't yet, think I might tonight..

Yet another reason I get so pissed at PC FPSes:

http://blandname.com/2007/12/31/call...editor-for-pc/

Cheat your way to perfect stats on the PC version, yay!

The way I look at it I only compete with the guys on the server I'm playing, so my stat total doesn't bother me. Sometimes I'm the angel of death on a server if everyone else is lower skilled, other times I'm fighting to stay in the upper middle of the pack.

I don't think the PC side has a wall of bullets perk, never heard of it at any rate.

I've used double tap and I wasn't impressed. I tend to die more needing to reload so emptying the clip faster doesn't do much, I'd rather have the extra damage perk.

My normal set up 90% of the time is bandoleers, whatever that damage perk is called, and steady aim.

Wall of the Bullets is the name I gave my class. :)

And steady aim? Really? I didn't notice much motion bob, but maybe I haven't been looking for it. Most of time I'm sprinting, so my biggest problem is the time it takes to bring the gun back down after stopping sprint.

Yea I figured that out later and didn't have time to edit.

Steady aim is important for firing from the hip, less gun site bloom.

I noticed it doesn't stack with the grips, though. At least not that I could tell. I've been going through the weapons earning the Marksman awards and to be quite honest there aren't any terribly bad weapons. I'm regularly in the top 2 score positions in team DM no matter what I take (except the first crappy sniper rifle - 100 kills was a pain!).

I jumped into the multiplayer last night. Man what a change from the Battlefield series!! In Battlefield (any of them) I get in first every single game I play, regardless of map, team, anything. My accuracy is 75% and my kill to death ratio is 3:1. My points to death ratio is like 8:1. Basically I'm a walking death machine in Battlefield. But wow, I got my ass handed to me in COD4.

A HUGE part of it is me not being familiar with the maps. The kill cam has showed me that the guys who are killing me simply know the best place to camp on the map and the best place to look for enemies.

It's more hardcore than Battlefield due to the EXTREMELY realistic bullet damage. 1-3 shots and you're dead, as it should be.

Despite not being used to the MP, I'm still getting in 2nd, 3rd, 4th most of the time out of ~20 players.

So far I'm liking the M16 with red dot scope the best. I just unlocked the M4 with red dot scope and I'm thinking about trying it out. BTW I keep getting killed over.and over.and over with the P90 so I'm pretty sure it will be a next unlock (they kill me a short, medium, and long range too).

BTW some of these MP maps are breathtaking. Overgrown and the other blown-up town in the middle of Iraq level are stunning. Constant 60 FPS with everything maxed on my 8800 GT.

BTW some of the snipers in this game are sick. I don't actually mind getting killed by them because sniping is pretty badass in COD4 with the breath system and bullet trajectory like BF.

New favorite: SAW with ACOG scope. Got in first place a few times with it today!! Now that I know the maps better I'm starting to have a higher kill to death ratio.

EDIT: My favorite weapon isn't the SAW, it's the M60. Don't know what I was thinking. :thumbsup: Once I got the M60 I started using it exclusively and it's freaking awesome. Takes some major skill to use it though...when compared to the M4 and M16 it's REALLY inaccurate. You have to fire the gun completely different at every angle and distance. I used to have the ACOG on it but I traded it for the Grip. I also have Double Tap and Steady Aim enabled on that setup. It's pretty brutal once you get the hang of it. Got first place today on a 24 player map. It's funny to see all the grenade launcher/sniper/M16 whores and then a guy with the M60 in 1st.

Not sure if I'm gonna keep the Grip on it. I really like the ACOG and Red Dot, but man, there's nothing like having an M60 that fires at fast AND is effective at close range.

Dump the grip, put on a red dot sight and you'll be golden. Pick up steady aim and it'll keep your accuracy close to the grip level and you'll be able to take an explosive perk or bundle in some extra ammo, and the red dot sight is great for long-range fire.

I tried the saw with the grip and no steady aim and it was awful.

I run and gun, I shoot from the hip 80% of the time, I can get a huge k/d by camping a choice spot but thats not what I enjoy. Saw + Grip + steady aim is the way to go for me. I can pick off from long range (yea red dot is better there) and hose down a room like a p90 with a bigger clip.

If I do get to the point I run out of ammo I just pick something up, it takes a lot of spraying to completely burn your ammo with a saw.

I've definitely been debating this. I had the ACOG or red dot on it for a while but once I got the grip + steady aim going, firing from the hip is insane. Even the P90 can't touch its hip power unless you're between medium and long range. I'll try it again tonight though...I'm definitely missing some sort of scope.

If you are going to do that, why use the SAW?

I'd use the G36C, or something else you can fire from the hip and peg people at long range, plus run faster with.

I don't have much luck with the carbine, but I've had some nice runs with the G36C, though the P90 is still better over all. The G36C is better for long range fire but other than that the P90 owns it.

I'm only trying to play hardcore servers right now so YMMV.

Right now I'm running mostly with a UAV jammer and silencer. Its fun how when the enemy UAV is up my kill count goes up as people get lazy and rely on it.

I don't use the SAW, I use the M60.

Not many people use it so it's a nice change of pace from the generic assault rifle whores. It's really fun to get in 1st place on a GOOD server with the M60 anyway. Way better sense of accomplishment than using the same guns as everyone else!!

BTW I took the Grip off and put on a scope. Not sure if I'm liking it....after using the Grip for a couple of days you can REALLY tell when it's gone during medium and long range shots. It bounces all over the place without it.

Running speed is identical with all weapons, afaik. The fact that you can hold the trigger down 3-4 times longer than anyone else is a huge bonus to the LMGs - they duck behind something to reload and I can quite often run in/around there without letting up the fire, and still have over half a clip left.

I love this game so much

No, its definitely faster with a sub machine gun than a light. You also walk faster too.

I'm not saying they are not good, its one of my favorite weapons, but they are less mobile. On most maps thats not such a big deal because you don't want to rush into being ambushed anyways, and on small maps the bigger clip can be very nice.

Ok I'm definitely putting the Grip back on after work. The scope is worthless if you're bouncing all over when you have to go even semi auto with it.

Did you try the red dot sight? ;)

I've tried it before and I did like it. I will try it again tonight but if the accuracy is still as bad without the Grip then I'm sticking with the grip.

I've come to really like the G36C with the Grenade Launcher/Stopping Power/Deep Impact for maps like Downpour, Vacant, Countdown and District. Although sometimes I'll use the MP5 or P90 for Vacant.

Not really a fan of the LMG's, I run into a lot of people that just spray and pray with them. -_-

You ain't hittin shit with an LMG if you spray and pray. :) You gotta be damn accurate it even from the hip if you want to kill someone considering the hip fire accuracy of basically any of the other weapons in the game.

I rarely die to people that spray and pray with LMG's, but when I do and I see the killcam of them shooting from left to right it's lame. I have no problems dying to people that have the sights right on me.

I agree, but keep in mind that if you're using a LMG at close to medium range, you can't zoom in to the sights and fire. If you do, you die. On the servers I play on if you have time to zoom in, something is wrong. All the P90 and Skorpion people with Double Tap keep you from being able to zoom in with an LMG.

That is pretty lame about people spraying from left to right though. The only time I've ever did that I had 5 people in the same room with me that I walked in on and literally had to spray to hit all of them. It was great. :thumbsup:

If I'm using a sub machine gun or light machine gun, 3/4ths of my kills will be spray and pray, its what they are best at. If you are going to use sights, then use the assault rifles.

I'm just waiting for my first kick due to 'hacking'.

Spray and pray is in fact a skill in these games. I'm very good at it, and some people think too good. Now that I'm really getting the hang of it I'm starting to be accused of hacking.

Two recent 'OMFG HAX!' moments were on wetworks and one of the city maps. On wetworks I was jumping down from the middle railing, in whats normally a suicide move with several of the enemy team in view but a good distance away. I let the p90 go as I fell and nailed two of them with head shots. Luck yes, but luck I put myself into position for.

The other was with the mini uzi, on HQ game. The enemy team was coming up to the HQ and I was in an alley, I pop out and in one burst kill 6 of them. They weren't bunched up but they were in something of a line, I figured I'd get two, the other 4 were bonus.

I don't have a problem with the firing from the hip being lame feeling since I think they are too restrictive of how you use the sights. Its all or nothing and you move too slow with the sights up. I know talking realism in a game like this is a bit much but I can raise a gun to sight level much faster than in game.

The reticule goes about 1/3 the size of the screen when the M60 when you fire it, even with the Grip and Steady Aim. You have to know where your bullets are going with no crosshair. I've learned where the bullets go with the M60 so I don't think hip firing is noobish.

I agree about the sights -- if you're gonna primarily use the sights then the assault rifle is what should be used, not the LMGs.

Perhaps spray and pray isn't the right term, I pretty much know where the shots are going.

Try more 'controlled automatic fire from the hip'.

Still the sights are an issue.

Got accused of hacking twice tonight, silly kids.

Obviously. The only way you could possibly have killed them is by cheating. They're just that good.

Anyone else really hate Martyrdom? Someone pulls that on you in a small room, you're toast, cheap kills/deaths.

The reason spraying works so well with the LMGs is that a) while a lot of bullets miss there's still a lot that don't, and b) they can keep on the trigger a very long time.

I had my best game last night: 45-5 on Backlot. I fucking dominated, 2nd place on my team had 17 kills and around 13 deaths. My 2nd best game I went 44-11 on Wet Work.

-hugs his M16 with Red Dot-

I've settled on M-16 with Silencer (rather than Red Dot), Stopping Power and Penetration. It's amazing how many don't see you without the radar blip, and the iron sights on the M-16 really aren't bad once you get used to them. I absolutely rock on Downpour and Crossfire. Crossfire is also easily done with the auto-shotty --every encounter is close combat.. bang bang, you're dead.

Btw - I think Showdown is an absolutely terrible map. I hate it unless it's Team Deathmatch and the enemy team doesn't watch their 6 - it's really easy to sneak up on people in that map. On Domination, whoever controls the center wins the game. :(

I agree about Showdown, it's a pain in the ass. Though it seems if you and the rest of your team can control the upper level for majority of the game you're golden.

My M16 setup is:
M16 w/ Red Dot
Claymores
Flash or Stun Grenade (don't remember)
Stopping Power
Martyrdom

Been thinking about changing Martyrdom for Deep Impact for the fuckers I nearly kill but they get behind a surface I can't shoot through.

That's exactly why I got Deep Impact instead of Martrydom. That, and I don't die enough to get many kills with Martyrdom grenades. :eek: :thumbsup:

Neither do I, and Martyrdom seems to only kill people when I end up dying even though I shouldn't have. Ah getting knifed from what seemed like 3 feet away from me and then watching said knifer die to my Martyrdom is satisfying though. I think I'll switch to Deep Impact tonight, my M16 setup is the only setup I use with Martyrdom.

My current set ups.

For normal games.
P90, red dot.
3 special grenades
stopping power
steady aim.

For hard core (what I play 90% of the time unless no server is available).
P90 silencer
3 special grenades
UAV jammer
steady am.

G3 silencer or red dot.
Claymores
UAV jammer
steady aim, though I may switch to deep impact.

I'm starting to love the G3 on hardcore games on 'longer range' maps. Its one shot one kill. With the silencer is just pop dead. Since its more of a camping gun the claymores are great (lame as they can feel).

On smaller maps or maps with a lot of cover, I'm still a p90 whore. I've tried about everything and the p90 fits the short range stuff great and can be used somewhat effectively long range, something the other SMG's just are not good at.

3 stuns or flash bangs is just fun for room clearing.

For hard core, you MUST have the UAV jammer on! Every time I hear "enemy UAV online" I laugh to myself cause they still can't see me. M16 is my gun on every board except when playing hard core. Hard core I have to go with P90 for just the high cycle rate of the gun. BTW I hate the LAST F*%(#@G STAND! Nothing worse than getting the drop on somebody and plugging them with 3 solid shots to the chest only to have them drop and pistol kill you before you can put another shot into them. IMO

Be quicker with the last shot, and expect everyone to try shoot you back ;) My only peeve is when they keep their aim and ping you with a pistol from across the map.

Just keep shooting.

I don't stop until I see +10 (or +5, depending on map type). For all I know, they went prone or Last Stand. And if you happen to empty my primary the moment they LS, just switch to pistol and dance. If you've used LS you'll notice that your horizontal movement is terribly limited. If you move back and forth while emptying YOUR pistol, they shouldn't be able to get you with theirs.

I was going to d/l this last night from Steam but then thought I'd rather have the box for some reason since the d/l was something like 6Gb.

I'm going to install it when I get home.

wow... it's amazing! I need to stop playing, it's time to go to bed.

I've found that the AK47 with the Grenade Launcher on maps where it's mostly medium range fire fights is a beast. I also switched my M16 with Martyrdom to Deep Impact and I like it a lot better.

I'm a firm believer that anyone that uses Juggernaut with Martyrdom or Last Stand as their other perk is terrible at this game. I hate Juggernaut, don't really mind the other 2 as much though.

Last stand doesn't bug me at all. Sure I die now and then but its completely avoidable.

Juggernaught I never even thought about. I did see some complaining about it and I think its more of an issue on normal games. On hardcore games its effects are not very noticeable except with a few guns that are on the borderline of one shot kills like the G3. Because of this is also used a lot less.

Martyr is just lame. As a non-camper I couldn't tell you how many times I've died as a direct and indirect result. You kill someone in cover, you want to run to that cover, instead you either run to a magic grenade that pops out of their ass or you get shot by someone else.

My ideal servers are hardcore with FF on. FF makes martyrdom go away pretty quick.