This is a new setup I'm working on, and I completely dominate HC FFall servers with.

AK 47.
Noob tube (aka Grenade launcher)
Slight of hand.
Steady Aim.

Slight of hand + noob tube = really good as the grenade launcher benefits from the faster reload, plus I'd say a good % of my deaths come from the reload times on the main gun.

I'm trying to work this out for my usual HQ and Domination servers where the skill level is higher.

Normally I putz around with a G3 or Saw for a bit, and then go back to p90 whoring where I can pretty much dominate all but the best players.

What's your handle, in case I draw a bead on your ass someday?

I go by "Peterpasha"

AK47 with the Grenade Launcher is sick. My setup is Stopping Power/Deep Impact, though.

What do you guys think: stopping power on hardcore or not if I use the LMGs?

It's literally 1-shot kills with the LMGs on hardcore, but I'm not sure if stopping power is making it like that or if they're 1-shot kills anyway.

Doubletap on an LMG on hardcore is pretty much useless as well. If you need doubletap on hardcore with an LMG then you're using the LMGs the wrong way. :)

I guess it's down to whether or not the LMGs are instagib mode without stopping power on hardcore. Anyone know?

It really depends on the server.

I've found double tap to be pretty useless.

I use either stopping power or UAV jammer, with UAV jammer about 80% of the time. If I'm playing a game thats more strategic I use UAV, but if its a map like vacant or I'm on a bad team and I'm going to need to do all the killing I go stopping power.

Stopping power with the SAW is nice since its the lowest damage LMG but even without it you can snipe with it with a single burst to kill in what is effectively one shot.

I'm going to give the slight of hand a few days to see how that works out in the K/D ratio on higher skilled servers. I was practicing on free for all ones this weekend and pretty much dominating without camping but skill levels are so low on free for all servers that its hard to judge.

I also feel bad using the grenade launcher but I see no reason to use an AK without it. Might as well use a P90 or LMG instead.

Yeah I've really been thinking about UAV Jammer. On hardcore mode, I constantly see people knowing exactly where to shoot when they turn the corner.

BTW I've read at various places and actually seen in-game that the UAV Jammer prevents you from showing up on the radar if you fire, but you still show up if a UAV is called in. Can anyone confirm or deny this? Are you quite literally radar invisible with the UAV Jammer perk?

No it works, you will figure it out when the UAV is clear and then someone is in your face :) More and more are using UAV jammers on my HC servers lately, I think I've been training them.

The way it works is UAV jammer stops you from showing up normally, but you DO show up if you fire. UAV + Sliencer = you never show up and thats why I normally use a p90 with a silencer.

As a side note, don't bother using a silencer on HC unless you go uav jammer too being radar is only up with the UAV is up it gives you no benefit to be silenced without uav jamming as well.

^^ good point. Unless you have UAV Jam, Red Dot is way better than Silencer on Hardcore.

I haven't played much HC because I hate camping, and HC tends to promote it. I do use UAV jammer if I'm a sniper, though.. especially on bigger maps like that Oil Refinery one.. lay out in the grass and no one will ever see you.

One thing they did well in COD4 is making it that their are few sniper maps and even those normally have ways to move in cover.

At first playing HC you feel like every time you move you get nailed by a camper, but playing games like domination, sabotage and HQ people can't really camp one spot the whole time.

Really camping isn't much of an issue for me now, just know the camp spots. I do carry smoke on most of my builds as its invaluable for capping points and running to new cover.

Also depending on what I'm up against I carry a 3 flash bang p90 set up. Do it SWAT team style where if you think there might be a camper in a room, flash bang it first.

Ok so I dropped the stopping power and put on UAV jammer last night. Holy cow did I sneak up on a lot of people. I had a few occasions where I walked into a room of 3-6 people and mowed all of them down. On one map (the long map, it's basically a long street with a bunch of sniping areas with the sides of the streets being the combat areas) I walked into a room of 3 snipers. I crouched and took aim on the first one. Boom headshot. Aimed at the second one 3 feet away. Boom headshot. Third, headshot. That jammer is freaking hilarious.

Buuut. I've been using the RDP to unlock the golden M60 and I'm starting to miss stopping power already. I took aim at one guy in a window last night, popped a shot into his chest and he RAN OFF after a direct hit from an LMG on a hardcore server. Ugh. I can't wait until I get the golden M60 because the comparatively weak RDP and M249 are annoying.

nice news

thanks a lot

Got level 55 the other night after a 5:1 kill to death ratio on Countdown. Sometimes I hate that map but sometimes I get in the groove and waste everybody. I've been working with the LMGs to get all of the achievements done. I'm currently 10 headshots away with the SAW to getting the gold-plated M60. Can't wait!!!!!!!

I'm using a G36c with red dot sight and a DEagle.
Perks are stopping power 3 frags and Last Stand.

But I also use a silenced MP5 with a deagle with UAV jammer, martyredom, and 3 frags.
:thumbsup:

Been playing Team Hardcore a lot recently. I think I like it a lot more than TDM because it gives you the opportunity to try different perks. Good call on Sleight of Hand for the AK/Nade Launcher Ustwo, it's a fucking beast. The one thing I dislike about Hardcore though is there tends to be a lot of camping. Is it the same for PC? I'm on 360.

Yea but its not that big of a problem, nice thing about campers are you know where they are the second time if they get ya.

Playing HQ games is the best anti-camping game because you have to keep moving or you lose.

my fav weapon is the P90.
i use a silenced p90 because sometimes i like to play free for all also, if not team deathmatch.
my usual setup for this is bandolier, slight of hand, and martydom.
i use slight of hand for all my guns now. i can't stand the slow reloading.
unless i need uav jammer for some matches, its always SoH.

i'm the run and gun type of player. if i happen to get killed, hey i hope my grenade takes out as many more as possible.

Yay! Finally scored the overkill perk, now I carry my sniper rifle and my M4! I'm counting down the kills till I can get my hands on the Barrett .50!

What I love about this game is how many subtly different ways there are to play.

My current love is a silenced weapon, uav jammer, and dead silence.

On overpopulated servers with constant noise dead silence is a waste, but on lower populated servers its great.

First you can't be heard, but thats not the great part.

The great part is now you can easily hear THEM since your own running doesn't interfere.

For the ninja feel I'll use a mini-uzi but I still get more kills out of the p90.

My brother got me to try out the Mini-Uzi. I was tired of sucking with my golden M60 versus campers so I decided to give it a whirl. Holy crap. I put double tap and a silencer on it with UAV jammer and it's basically silent death. We're talking 10:1 kill to death ratios on some servers. 60, 70, 80 kills with 20 deaths frequently, even on sniper maps. I played yesterday on Backlot domination and got to C with 7 enemies capturing the flag. I wasn't on UAV and I crouched the whole way so they never suspected me. I zoomed in on C and spewed the whole magazine at them and killed 5 in 2 seconds. It's just an awesome weapon on hardcore servers, mainly due to the mobility associated with it.

My current owning set up on all but over crowded maps is.

P90 + silencer
UAV jammer
dead silence.

I love it because you can hear every noise they make and they can't hear me.

I tried the mini uzi and the issue I have with it is longer ranges, up close its great and I've seen some very good players dominate with it.

I am playing exclusively with the Mini Uzi with the Silencer, Stopping Power, Steady Aim, and the RPG x 2

It's working out quite well - I'm generally no good at long distance anyway, so I don't mind the horrible accuracy at far way

I have dominated a couple of matches with it - see below (I'm Punchinelli): I didn't even get to call in an airstrike once the entire match, so all of those kills are Mini Uzi kills:
http://www.thetuttletwins.com/shot0005.jpg

Horrible kill to death ratio, but as I was telling Lasereth, you gotta spend money to make money!!!!!!

holy shit, the PC version lets you RACK UP THE POINTS! 2500? Jesus.

Nice kills, btw..

Ak-47 with stopping power, deep impact and iron sites for me. The only other gun i might use is the mp5 with red dot or silencer.

BTW, if you use a m14 with the ACOG you can sprint like 8 extra steps, not that you'll be able to hit shit when you get to them :thumbsup:

Another thing I like to do with semi auto guns like the m14/g3/deagle/and the semi-auto snipers is use the scroll wheel to shoot. Bind mwheelup +attack;bind mwheeldown +attack. Just flick the wheel back and forth for super fast shots. Some people think you're hacking haha

Oh thats genius, I just did that with a G3 and its almost full auto. Gotta puts around with that tonight.

Ya, g3 is probably best for that tactic. It has insane range, power, low recoil, and can compete with the mp5's and m4's at close range if you scroll.

After playing a game with the g3, I found it most useful using the sites, it was ok up close but its always ok for me. Sites wise there was almost no recoil and you just just saturate the area.

The deagle and m14 though are insane with it close up. I didn't get much chance to try the m14, but from what I did I was impressed (and I normally hate that gun).

I don't think it will get me more kills than my p90 whoring but its a fun toy.

Ok you are right the G3 is the best for it, and its fun to play with, but from a kill perspective I still do much better with a regular full auto.

Wow, that's an old Counter-Strike trick.. I remember doing it back 99/2000. Another reason I prefer the Xbox version. :)

Been using the P90 since I finally got it again with Bandolier/UAV Jammer/Steady Aim on the smaller maps in Hardcore TDM. I killed someone across the crash site on the map "Crash" from the blue walled building and the dude was directly across from me on the roof of that store or whatever it is.

I had forgotten how good the P90 can be at long range, hah.

New maps today! Hoping to check them out tonight.

Lately my favorite is FFA maps using only the knife or rockets/knife.

On a regular server I WILL win only using a knife, you can't kill me fast enough.

On a HC server, I'll use the rockets too, its a lot harder to get a knife kill.

I have gotten a few knife only helicopters, that should be an achievement award :)

Playing regular servers after HC is great. It's like time is slowed down and you have forever to kill people. You can actually run matrix style towards people and knife them in the face while they're shooting at you if they try to iron sight you. :)

Yea pretty much my experience too.

I tried to tell some friends/acquaintances who play that I'll dominate them a LOT less on hardcore, in regular I have time to turn around and put one in their head, while in HC I'd be dead before I could react.

Mopped up on this last round of Bog - the guy that I was battling the entire time accused me of using "Martyrdom" too much because I died 80+ times - I was like nope, I actually don't even have Martyrdom, I just suck" hahahahahaha

Funny thing is, I never got to call for an air strike or the helicopter, because I always die so frequently - I am level 35, and I've only been able to call for the helicopter twice :thumbsup:

Those kills are all the real deal baby!!!!! No air strike to help me out!

I can kill people very fast, but I don't stay alive very long because I don't have good "hiding" habits (aka Lasereth, who sneaks around like a fucking assassin, I've seen his replays)

http://thetuttletwins.com/shot0007.jpg

Killstat porn!



I just finished that game, and I got there late, at the time the leader had 21 kills, he finished second.

I wish the 360 version had Hardcore FFA...

Still didn't get to DL the new maps thanks to Live being stupid last night. Hopefully tonight though.

I just got the new maps last night, after attempting to download them about thirty times, and they're very nice, some might say too nice. Creek, for example, is so well made and so full of differing foliage that it's almost impossible to see the enemy before it's too late, and it's given us one of the worst camping spots in the game (the cave in the creek). Nonetheless, I'm digging the maps, though I have yet to play in Killhouse.

On that note, has ANYONE played Killhouse?

And for future reference, my gamertag: SomeKindaNinja

I'm getting the new maps today.
I'm super stoked for China Town.

if any of you guys like getting destroyed my gamertag is Churro Guapo.

Ha ha ha people get so pissed in FFA maps. It's great, they constantly bitch and moan about stair camping and house camping yet they run up the same stairs trying to kill you over and over. I love watching 2 or 3 people fighting it out and then I come in and kill all 3. Constant bickering, trash talking, and hacking claims...all because they won't stop themselves from seeing if you're STILL in that damn house. :thumbsup:

Any word on when the new maps hit the PS3? I completely forgot about them until I read this thread.