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telekinetic · 11-16-2007, 10:12 PM

This is about the most fascinating thing I've read online in a long time--a small berry that, when eaten, makes everything taste sweet for the next hour!

Here's the article:

http://www.eatfoo.com/archives/2007/...ruit_reca.php

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Miracle fruit is not mind-blowing, but it's very, very cool. If you have the choice, go for the magic mushrooms, but otherwise miracle fruit is one of the weirdest food-induced experiences one can have. It's like some weird new experiment from Willy Wonka's factory, only Willy Wonka is some shady horticulturist from Fort Lauderdale known to the world only through his cryptic messages on obscure gardening blogs. But he came through.

The miracle fruit experience itself was awesome. I've tried it three times now. The fruits definitely vary in potency, although I don't know whether the potency is altered by what one has eaten before the miracle fruit. Some people seemed to have a more mild experience, and others' tastes were drastically altered. No one got a dud. Even the three times I tried it, it was different each time. The first time was more mild, the second (at the party) was quite dramatic, and the third was more mild again.

Limes tasted like lime candy, lemons like lemonade, and meyer lemons and red grapefruit were some of the most tasty things I've ever eaten in my life. On the other hand, pineapples and kiwi were cloying, coffee was mostly unchanged, and wine was just plain disgusting. It was clever of Abi to bring a very nice bottle that purported to have grapefruit as one of its primary flavor notes; unfortunately, the miracle fruit didn't allow one to taste any of the acids and sour notes that play on one's tongue when one drinks wine. So it tasted like a really, really cheap white wine. It turned what was supposedly a delicious bottle into Franzia, or, worse, bum wine. Oh well. Miracle fruit giveth, and miracle fruit taketh away.

I also decided to get some goat cheese because of its distinctive sourness. I picked up some of my absolute favorite cheese in the world, Humboldt Fog, which is sold near my house at Brookville Grocery in Cleveland Park for, amazingly, far less per pound than it costs to buy an entire five-pound wheel directly from Cypress Grove Chevre. A five-pound wheel is $85 ($17/pound) direct from the farm (plus shipping), while Brookville has quarter-pound sectors at $13.99/pound. It's $20/pound from the cheese counter at Eastern Market, and they have the added cost of being huge assholes. So I got a couple $6 blocks of Humboldt Fog to taste after the bulk of the crowd left my house (sorry guys, it's damn good cheese). And wow, it was amazing with the miracle fruit. The sour flavors were still present but subtler, while the earthy sweetness was enhanced dramatically. I love Humboldt Fog anyway, but it was an entirely new and amazing experience with the miracle fruit. If you ever find a way to give miracle fruit a shot, I highly recommend a good goat cheese.

I also got several different stouts and bitter beers. Guinness was good with it, but the real stars were the more serious stouts. Samuel Smith's Oatmeal Stout (my favorite beer, maybe?) was heavenly, and Brooklyn Brewery's Black Chocolate Stout (a good, but normally very bitter beer) was amazingly smooth and creamy. They both seemed to have more body, and more of a flavorful sweetness than stout normally has. The lovely bitter notes, again, were not entirely masked, so unlike what the miracle fruit did to wine, stout was still stout. It maintained all of its characteristics, the miracle fruit merely altered the dynamics of the characteristics, emphasizing the chocolatey, earthy, malty, and fermenty flavors, while smoothing out the bitterness. Many people in attendance described the chocolate stout as tasting "just like ice cream."

Overall, it was a blast. Everyone had fun, and no one reported any ill effects. And even though the miraculous effect only lasted about half an hour, I will never taste citrus the same way again. It may be impossible for one to realize how much sweetness is present in citrus until one has had the sourness chemically masked. Lemons and limes are full of natural sugars, salts, and acids, but those flavors are normally pretty well-hidden behind the tartness. Now that I've tasted them, however, I think I will always be able to detect those flavors in them. It's like those magic eye posters, or most riddles... they're sometimes tough to "get," but when you've seen them once or heard the answer, it's easy to find again and it makes perfect sense.

Jacob has a full write-up at Eat Foo (cross-posted to his site), and Abi posted some photos. Martin of Boztopia was in attendance and made some brief remarks about his (apparently less dramatic) experience. And Natasha of Eat Foo was also there, so maybe she'll post a write-up as well. If you have the chance, you should definitely give it a try some time. And if you want to order some, email me and I'll give you contact info for the source from whom I got the miracle fruit you can get it from this guy.

Has anyone tried this? I've found a couple sources online selling berries for abou $30 for 20, and am thinking about having a tasting party. Sounds fascinating!

JStrider · 12-15-2007, 08:30 PM

Makes me think of how toothpaste effects your taste buds for a while after using it. except usually the toothpaste effect makes lots of things taste bad.

Craven Morehead · 12-16-2007, 06:45 PM

I have never heard of this. Interesting. Where can it be purchased at?

greyeyes · 12-24-2007, 09:14 PM

Sounds really interesting. I'd like to try it. Any ideas on how to order the fruit?

funydjane · 01-04-2008, 02:06 PM

It's a lot different to the effect of toothpaste or mints. That's just due to residual flavour on your tongue. The miraculin in miracle fruit actual binds to the taste buds to affect the way they work.

telekinetic · 01-04-2008, 05:16 PM

hahaha, where the hell did you come from? google searching, or following referrers from Eatfoo?

Know anywhere I can buy a quantity of less than thirty of, um, you, I guess...so I can try you with a small group before I throw a big party?

robot_parade · 01-04-2008, 08:23 PM

I heard about this on NPR. Sounds like a fascinating thing to try.

telekinetic · 01-05-2008, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by twistedmosaic

hahaha, where the hell did you come from? google searching, or following referrers from Eatfoo?

Know anywhere I can buy a quantity of less than thirty of, um, you, I guess...so I can try you with a small group before I throw a big party?

Aww...this post made more sense when the person before me was named "miracle fruit" instead of "funydjane"

funydjane · 01-13-2008, 03:33 PM

You can buy smaller quantities from here: miracle fruit. I changed my name because I only picked miraclefruit because I couldn't be bothered to think of anything better when registering.

Another point: it doesn't "make everything taste sweet", it alters taste. The effect is most pronounced with sour foods which taste sweet instead. Don't drink too much lemon juice though because it's still as acidic even if it doesn't taste it.

little_tippler · 01-21-2008, 06:04 AM

I hadn't heard of this either, but its sounds really interesting to try once.

I think it's pretty hard to come by fresh in Portugal though.

While searching for a place to buy some, I cam across this blog, which has all sorts of other interesting fruits I've never heard of!

http://capetribexoticfruitfarm.blogspot.com/

One particularly interesting one to me was Mamey Sapotes, the blog says it tastes like creamy sweet potato with an avocado texture...fascinating

Senty · 03-15-2008, 10:57 AM

Hey, saw your discussion on Miracle fruit... i used it three times already, was very sceptical in the beginning but it reall works! at my last party I had tablets from Japan, which are much easier to use than powder. Got them from this guy
Enjoy!

The_Jazz · 03-15-2008, 01:39 PM

NOTE: if you're here to hock miracle fruit to our members, please don't bother. We have strict rules about site plugging and commercialization on this site, and we're going to figure out what you're up to pretty quickly. Our members historically help us since they don't like spammers any more than the staff does.

xepherys · 05-27-2008, 07:24 AM

Hmmm, interesting...

telekinetic · 05-27-2008, 09:39 AM

I haven't tried this yet...we're waiting until my wife isn't pregnant so she can enjoy it too...pregnancy has screwed up her palate to the point where her tastes have totally changed.

snowy · 05-28-2008, 09:03 AM

There's an article about it in the Dining Section of the NYTimes today:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/28/di...prod=permalink

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The Miracle Fruit, a Tease for the Tastebuds

CARRIE DASHOW dropped a large dollop of lemon sorbet into a glass of Guinness, stirred, drank and proclaimed that it tasted like a “chocolate shake.”

HOW’S IT DO THAT? Franz Aliquo, who calls himself Supreme Commander, supplied miracle berries grown by Curtis Mozie, to party-goers in Long Island City, Queens, last weekend.

Those who attended sampled the red berries then tasted foods, including cheese, beer and brussels sprouts, finding the flavors transformed. Beer can taste like chocolate, lemons like candy. Mr. Aliquo says he holds the parties to “turn on a bunch of people’s taste buds.”

Nearby, Yuka Yoneda tilted her head back as her boyfriend, Albert Yuen, drizzled Tabasco sauce onto her tongue. She swallowed and considered the flavor: “Doughnut glaze, hot doughnut glaze!”

They were among 40 or so people who were tasting under the influence of a small red berry called miracle fruit at a rooftop party in Long Island City, Queens, last Friday night. The berry rewires the way the palate perceives sour flavors for an hour or so, rendering lemons as sweet as candy.

The host was Franz Aliquo, 32, a lawyer who styles himself Supreme Commander (Supreme for short) when he’s presiding over what he calls “flavor tripping parties.” Mr. Aliquo greeted new arrivals and took their $15 entrance fees. In return, he handed each one a single berry from his jacket pocket.

“You pop it in your mouth and scrape the pulp off the seed, swirl it around and hold it in your mouth for about a minute,” he said. “Then you’re ready to go.” He ushered his guests to a table piled with citrus wedges, cheeses, Brussels sprouts, mustard, vinegars, pickles, dark beers, strawberries and cheap tequila, which Mr. Aliquo promised would now taste like top-shelf Patrón.

The miracle fruit, Synsepalum dulcificum, is native to West Africa and has been known to Westerners since the 18th century. The cause of the reaction is a protein called miraculin, which binds with the taste buds and acts as a sweetness inducer when it comes in contact with acids, according to a scientist who has studied the fruit, Linda Bartoshuk at the University of Florida’s Center for Smell and Taste. Dr. Bartoshuk said she did not know of any dangers associated with eating miracle fruit.

During the 1970s, a ruling by the Food and Drug Administration dashed hopes that an extract of miraculin could be sold as a sugar substitute. In the absence of any plausible commercial application, the miracle fruit has acquired a bit of a cult following.

Sina Najafi, editor in chief of the art magazine Cabinet, has featured miracle fruits at some of the publication’s events. At a party in London last October, the fruit, he said, “had people testifying like some baptismal thing.”

The berries were passed out last week at a reading of “The Fruit Hunters,” a new book by Adam Leith Gollner with a chapter about miracle fruit.

Bartenders have been experimenting with the fruit as well. Don Lee, a beverage director at the East Village bar Please Don’t Tell, has been making miracle fruit cocktails on his own time, but the bar probably won’t offer them anytime soon. The fruit is highly perishable and expensive — a single berry goes for $2 or more.

Lance J. Mayhew developed a series of drink recipes with miracle fruit foams and extracts for a recent issue of the cocktail magazine Imbibe and may create others for Beaker & Flask, a restaurant opening later this year in Portland, Ore.

He cautioned that not everyone enjoys the berry’s long-lasting effects. Despite warnings, he said, one woman became irate after drinking one of his cocktails. He said, “She was, like, ‘What did you do to my mouth?’ ”

Mr. Aliquo issues his own warnings. “It will make all wine taste like Manischewitz,” he said. And already sweet foods like candy can become cloying.

He said that he had learned about miracle fruit while searching ethnobotany Web sites for foods he could make for a diabetic friend.

The party last week was his sixth “flavor tripping” event. He hopes to put on a much larger, more expensive affair in June. Although he does sell the berries on his blog, www.flavortripping.wordpress.com, Mr. Aliquo maintains that he isn’t in it for the money. (He said he made about $100 on Friday.) Rather, he said, he does it to “turn on a bunch of people’s taste buds.”

He believes that the best way to encounter the fruit is in a group. “You need other people to benchmark the experience,” he said. At his first party, a small gathering at his apartment in January, guests murmured with delight as they tasted citrus wedges and goat cheese. Then things got trippy.

“You kept hearing ‘oh, oh, oh,’ ” he said, and then the guests became “literally like wild animals, tearing apart everything on the table.”

“It was like no holds barred in terms of what people would try to eat, so they opened my fridge and started downing Tabasco and maple syrup,” he said.

Many of the guests last week found the party through a posting at www.tThrillist.com. Mr. Aliquo sent invitations to a list of contacts he has been gathering since he and a friend began organizing StreetWars, a popular urban assassination game using water guns.

One woman wanted to see Mr. Aliquo eat a berry before she tried one. “What, you don’t trust me?” he said.

She replied, “Well, I just met you.”

Another guest said, “But you met him on the Internet, so it’s safe.”

The fruits are available by special order from specialty suppliers in New York, including Baldor Specialty Foods and S. Katzman Produce. Katzman sells the berries for about $2.50 a piece, and has been offering them to chefs.

Mr. Aliquo gets his miracle fruit from Curtis Mozie, 64, a Florida grower who sells thousands of the berries each year through his Web site, www.miraclefruitman.com. (A freezer pack of 30 berries costs about $90 with overnight shipping.) Mr. Mozie, who was in New York for Mr. Gollner’s reading, stopped by the flavor-tripping party.

Mr. Mozie listed his favorite miracle fruit pairings, which included green mangoes and raw aloe. “I like oysters with some lemon juice,” he said. “Usually you just swallow them, but I just chew like it was chewing gum.”

A large group of guests reached its own consensus: limes were candied, vinegar resembled apple juice, goat cheese tasted like cheesecake on the tongue and goat cheese on the throat. Bananas were just bananas.

For all the excitement it inspires, the miracle fruit does not make much of an impression on its own. It has a mildly sweet tang, with firm pulp surrounding an edible, but bitter, seed. Mr. Aliquo said it reminded him of a less flavorful cranberry. “It’s not something I’d just want to eat,” he said.

Cynthetiq · 05-28-2008, 10:47 AM

the video that goes with it is quite an interesting thing to watch snice you can see the faces of people as they eat.

boink · 06-15-2008, 09:13 PM

interesting. I work in a metal shop and when sanding allot of brass or bronze, if the dust gets in my mouth is makes cigarettes taste as sweet as inhaling a puff of powered sugar. it even happens if the dust,washed from my hair into my mouth in the shower after work. and I smoke hand rolled Jester w/o a filter.

maybe these berries would be a good appetizer before you hit the rat barbecue thread !

MSD · 07-01-2008, 12:28 PM

I haven't tried it yet, but it had a huge wave of popularity on the Something Awful forums and hundreds of people were amazed by it.

And it doesn't make everything taste sweet, only acidic things.

CrispnChuey · 12-09-2008, 07:54 AM

A friend brought a package of tablets to a little house party... looked like he got them in chinatown or something. It was pretty neat, lemon wedges tasted really good! Although stuff that was already sweet tasted kind of sickly-sweet. We went at the fridge and started trying all sorts of things... we were drunk and it was a lot of fun. Good party trick but not something worth eating regularly... it didn't make things necessarily taste better, just different & sweeter. Maybe if you've got a candy addiction and want to diet!

Sharon77 · 02-01-2009, 05:50 AM

Hi all,

Really interesting! Thanks for sharing all the info! There's so much I didn't know before.
I'm new at this »Miracle Fruit thing« and this forum for that matter. Just wanted to share my amazing experience

,… I threw a Miracle Fruit party 2 weeks ago and everybody said it was the best party they've ever been to! Never had them before, so I was hoping the effect was going to live up to its reputation (read a lot of forums and blogs before ordering ;-)).

Since I saw there were 2 different kinds I ordered both: green packaged Miracle (Mysterious) Fruit and sth called Miracle Frooties – really nice yellow packaging. They both did the trick, though most of us preferred Miracle Frooties – especially the women, since they have 0% fat and the others don't! Also, the packaging disloses all ingredients, nutritional value and expiry date. And none of the chinese mumbo jumbo anywhere!

I bough green ones - Mysterious Fruit (it says Sen Yuh? on them) in a NY store and Miracle Frooties from miraclefruitworld.com, well from one of their US based retailers. I really recommend Miracle Fruit to everybody (Miracle Frooties in particular). Specially loved lemons, lemonade and pomelo. Pineapple with goat cheese was also amazing.

I wanna hear more from those who've already been to a tasting party - which food did you like best?

THESHAOLIN1 · 10-07-2009, 05:27 AM

i've been using the miracle fruit for years now i've had a plant on the grow for a while. Its a great experience and its great fun going through a supermarket or your fridge trying out endless foods. Fruits have never tasted better it puts a nice twist on nearly every fruit. Other foods are just interesting showing you the effect that miracle fruit has on your tongues tastebuds

If you search on google "Miracle Fruit Hut" you can purchase from here they are based in the U.S and they offer reasonable pricing and a reliable service.

12-15-2007, 08:30 PM	#2 (permalink)
JStrider Poo-tee-weet? Location: The Woodlands, TX	Makes me think of how toothpaste effects your taste buds for a while after using it. except usually the toothpaste effect makes lots of things taste bad. __________________ -=JStrider=- ~Clatto Verata Nicto

12-24-2007, 09:14 PM	#4 (permalink)
greyeyes ham on rye would be nice Location: I don't even know anymore	Sounds really interesting. I'd like to try it. Any ideas on how to order the fruit? __________________ I'm kind of jealous of the life I'm supposedly leading. - Zach Braff

01-04-2008, 02:06 PM	#5 (permalink)
funydjane Tilted	It's a lot different to the effect of toothpaste or mints. That's just due to residual flavour on your tongue. The miraculin in miracle fruit actual binds to the taste buds to affect the way they work. Last edited by funydjane; 01-04-2008 at 03:00 PM..

01-04-2008, 05:16 PM	#6 (permalink)
telekinetic zomgomgomgomgomgomg Location: Fauxenix, Azerona	hahaha, where the hell did you come from? google searching, or following referrers from Eatfoo? Know anywhere I can buy a quantity of less than thirty of, um, you, I guess...so I can try you with a small group before I throw a big party? __________________ twisted no more

01-21-2008, 06:04 AM	#10 (permalink)
little_tippler Leaning against the -Sun- Super Moderator Location: on the other side	I hadn't heard of this either, but its sounds really interesting to try once. I think it's pretty hard to come by fresh in Portugal though. While searching for a place to buy some, I cam across this blog, which has all sorts of other interesting fruits I've never heard of! http://capetribexoticfruitfarm.blogspot.com/ One particularly interesting one to me was Mamey Sapotes, the blog says it tastes like creamy sweet potato with an avocado texture...fascinating __________________ Whether we write or speak or do but look We are ever unapparent. What we are Cannot be transfused into word or book. Our soul from us is infinitely far. However much we give our thoughts the will To be our soul and gesture it abroad, Our hearts are incommunicable still. In what we show ourselves we are ignored. The abyss from soul to soul cannot be bridged By any skill of thought or trick of seeming. Unto our very selves we are abridged When we would utter to our thought our being. We are our dreams of ourselves, souls by gleams, And each to each other dreams of others' dreams. Fernando Pessoa, 1918

12-16-2007, 06:45 PM	#3 (permalink)
Craven Morehead Custom User Title	I have never heard of this. Interesting. Where can it be purchased at?

01-04-2008, 08:23 PM	#7 (permalink)
robot_parade Junkie Location: San Antonio, TX	I heard about this on NPR. Sounds like a fascinating thing to try.

01-13-2008, 03:33 PM	#9 (permalink)
funydjane Tilted	You can buy smaller quantities from here: miracle fruit. I changed my name because I only picked miraclefruit because I couldn't be bothered to think of anything better when registering. Another point: it doesn't "make everything taste sweet", it alters taste. The effect is most pronounced with sour foods which taste sweet instead. Don't drink too much lemon juice though because it's still as acidic even if it doesn't taste it.

03-15-2008, 10:57 AM	#11 (permalink)
Senty Upright	Hey, saw your discussion on Miracle fruit... i used it three times already, was very sceptical in the beginning but it reall works! at my last party I had tablets from Japan, which are much easier to use than powder. Got them from this guy Enjoy! Last edited by The_Jazz; 03-15-2008 at 11:10 AM.. Reason: remove email link

03-15-2008, 01:39 PM	#12 (permalink)
The_Jazz Asshole Administrator Location: Chicago	NOTE: if you're here to hock miracle fruit to our members, please don't bother. We have strict rules about site plugging and commercialization on this site, and we're going to figure out what you're up to pretty quickly. Our members historically help us since they don't like spammers any more than the staff does. __________________ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - B. Franklin "There ought to be limits to freedom." - George W. Bush "We have met the enemy and he is us." - Pogo

05-27-2008, 07:24 AM	#13 (permalink)
xepherys <3 TFP Location: 17TLH2445607250	Hmmm, interesting... __________________ The prospect of achieving a peace agreement with the extremist group of MILF is almost impossible... -- Emmanuel Pinol, Governor of Cotobato My Homepage

05-27-2008, 09:39 AM	#14 (permalink)
telekinetic zomgomgomgomgomgomg Location: Fauxenix, Azerona	I haven't tried this yet...we're waiting until my wife isn't pregnant so she can enjoy it too...pregnancy has screwed up her palate to the point where her tastes have totally changed. __________________ twisted no more

05-28-2008, 10:47 AM	#16 (permalink)
Cynthetiq Tilted Cat Head Administrator Location: Manhattan, NY	the video that goes with it is quite an interesting thing to watch snice you can see the faces of people as they eat. __________________ I don't care if you are black, white, purple, green, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, hippie, cop, bum, admin, user, English, Irish, French, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, indian, cowboy, tall, short, fat, skinny, emo, punk, mod, rocker, straight, gay, lesbian, jock, nerd, geek, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Independent, driver, pedestrian, or bicyclist, either you're an asshole or you're not. What's the best nation in the world? DO-NATION!

06-15-2008, 09:13 PM	#17 (permalink)
boink Addict Location: Seattle	interesting. I work in a metal shop and when sanding allot of brass or bronze, if the dust gets in my mouth is makes cigarettes taste as sweet as inhaling a puff of powered sugar. it even happens if the dust,washed from my hair into my mouth in the shower after work. and I smoke hand rolled Jester w/o a filter. maybe these berries would be a good appetizer before you hit the rat barbecue thread ! __________________ when you believe in things that you don't understand, then you suffer. Superstition ain't the way.

07-01-2008, 12:28 PM	#18 (permalink)
MSD The sky calls to us ... Super Moderator Location: CT	I haven't tried it yet, but it had a huge wave of popularity on the Something Awful forums and hundreds of people were amazed by it. And it doesn't make everything taste sweet, only acidic things.

12-09-2008, 07:54 AM	#19 (permalink)
CrispnChuey Upright	A friend brought a package of tablets to a little house party... looked like he got them in chinatown or something. It was pretty neat, lemon wedges tasted really good! Although stuff that was already sweet tasted kind of sickly-sweet. We went at the fridge and started trying all sorts of things... we were drunk and it was a lot of fun. Good party trick but not something worth eating regularly... it didn't make things necessarily taste better, just different & sweeter. Maybe if you've got a candy addiction and want to diet!

02-01-2009, 05:50 AM	#20 (permalink)
Sharon77 Upright	My Miracle Fruit tasting Party Hi all, Really interesting! Thanks for sharing all the info! There's so much I didn't know before. I'm new at this »Miracle Fruit thing« and this forum for that matter. Just wanted to share my amazing experience ,… I threw a Miracle Fruit party 2 weeks ago and everybody said it was the best party they've ever been to! Never had them before, so I was hoping the effect was going to live up to its reputation (read a lot of forums and blogs before ordering ;-)). Since I saw there were 2 different kinds I ordered both: green packaged Miracle (Mysterious) Fruit and sth called Miracle Frooties – really nice yellow packaging. They both did the trick, though most of us preferred Miracle Frooties – especially the women, since they have 0% fat and the others don't! Also, the packaging disloses all ingredients, nutritional value and expiry date. And none of the chinese mumbo jumbo anywhere! I bough green ones - Mysterious Fruit (it says Sen Yuh? on them) in a NY store and Miracle Frooties from miraclefruitworld.com, well from one of their US based retailers. I really recommend Miracle Fruit to everybody (Miracle Frooties in particular). Specially loved lemons, lemonade and pomelo. Pineapple with goat cheese was also amazing. I wanna hear more from those who've already been to a tasting party - which food did you like best?

10-07-2009, 05:27 AM	#21 (permalink)
THESHAOLIN1 Upright	i've been using the miracle fruit for years now i've had a plant on the grow for a while. Its a great experience and its great fun going through a supermarket or your fridge trying out endless foods. Fruits have never tasted better it puts a nice twist on nearly every fruit. Other foods are just interesting showing you the effect that miracle fruit has on your tongues tastebuds If you search on google "Miracle Fruit Hut" you can purchase from here they are based in the U.S and they offer reasonable pricing and a reliable service.