frankgrimes

Anyone think its funny that shows like "sex in the city" or "desperate housewives" which, i understand, are predominantly concerned with sex and are marketed for and watched by women, are thought of as very forward thinking, praised and showered with awards, but rather innocuous entertainments such as the victoria's secret fashion show, etc. are banished from the airwaves by conservative advertisers and network executives? Anyone?

Halx

I haven't seen desperate housewives, but from what I've been told, it doesn't have much sex attached to it. Sex In The City was on HBO, which is not regulated by the FCC.

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frankgrimes

True that HBO is allowed to get away with much more, but sex in the city never had trouble attracting advertisers, quite the opposite i'm sure, but there is always talk of advertisers pulling out of or boycotting contrvrsial shows which have less appeal to women. That said, I know there are shows on like the man show etc. which don't suffer from this sort of censorship, but there are shows which do, unfortunately, all i can think of at the moment is the aforementioned victoria's secret show.

warrrreagl

Sex and the City couldn't have had advertisers, since it was aired on HBO. I think that was at least half of Hal's point.

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the_marq

S and the C may not have ads when it aired on HBO, but when it was run in syndication in Canada on Bravo it was full of ads. Mostly things like perfume and panty liners... female appeal obviously.

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Censorship???

Victoria Secret's show was cancelled not because of censorship but because of business decisions to not rile the advertisers.

Comparing broadcast standards to cable standards is comparing apples to oranges.

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crossova

havent and wont watch either show. i think it would be a double standard if the characters from desperate housewives (aka, whores @ home) just walked around in panties and didnt get the same flack that the victoria secrets show did. but since they dont...i'd move on...just dont watch the show. doesnt look too entertaining.

frankgrimes

oops, sorry, ignorant canadian here - forgot that hbo doesn't have commercials, you are right, the lack of advertisers on cable makes it a very different kettle of fish. that said, self censorship because you don't want to rile advertisers is still censorship, but hey, i won't shed too many tears for the v.s. supermodels...

JaySpencer

Rumors are rampant that they are trying to get censorship on cable broadcasts too.

trickyy

sex and the city is on tbs now
i find it a little boring, too many inane puns
the victorias secret is a little too blatant for networks, maybe. others shows work the sex appeal into some story or situation. i don't think it's just women's shows, there are plenty of shows in general that push the envelope and receive attention. did nip/tuck win any awards?

Nimbletoe

Women don't want equal rights. They want the best of everything. Once you understand this (although i'm sure they'll deny it, and i'll get attacked for being a sexist), it makes everything a lot easier to understand. Maddox put it best when he said:

"11. React so cutely when you hit him and it actually hurts.
See, this is what pisses me off about women: they expect special treatment at their discretion. They want equal rights, equal pay, and equal treatment for everything EXCEPT when it comes to shit like this, then they want you to "react cutely" instead of, say, putting them in a head lock and making them eat ants and/or spiders while you give them carpet burn. Why don't women react "cutely" when men hit them for a change? Oops, I forgot, that's domestic abuse."

That was in relation to some woman's list of things a "perfect guy" would do.

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tropple

Have you ever considered why many women's mags put hot babes in bikini's on their covers?

The next time you stop at the grocery store, scope out the racks at the checkouts.

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Nimbletoe

That always makes me giggle. They hate the objectification of women, yet they use it to their advantage when they can.

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Charlatan

Ummm... the run on Bravo in Canada wasn't syndication. It was first run in Canada (we don't get HBO here).

Traditionally Canadian television is much more liberal than what you will find in the US. HBO shows like OZ, Sex and the City and the Sopranos are to be found on Network Free TV or Basic Cable (rather than a premium pay service such as HBO or, in Canada, TMN or Movie Central).

While Sex and the City is in syndication on TBS is edited for content (i.e. sex scenes, language and nudity). In Canada the Sopranos airs in primetime on CTV (Canada's largest private network) which would be like airing The Sopranos uncensored on say, NBC or CBS.

As for the difference between these types of shows and Victoria's Secrets... one is a drama with a well written storyline and the other is just another opportunity to ogle scantilly clad women. Not that there is anything wrong with ogling scantily clad women but you can't edit it for content as you would Sex and the City. If you did all you would have is some hosts describing scantilly clad women they couldn't actually show.

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Charlatan

Women's magazines don't hate the objectification of women... what ever gave you that impression.

The objectification of women is the bread and butter of magazines like Cosmopolitan, etc.

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Nimbletoe

It was in reference to the females that read them, sorry I worded that poorly. It was early.

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tropple

Cosmo covers have always been good amatuer-class stroke material. Let's not forget Redbook, either. And Shape. that's another winner ;-)

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Edit: A bit too off-topic, nevermind.

tropple

hehehhe.. Well, it sure makes standing in the grocery line more interesting.

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