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Kurant · 09-21-2004, 08:55 AM

Well, once again Lucas let me down. I went to the midnight release last night at Best Buy here in Anchorage, too mu surprise, there was between 200-300 people there. I waited about 50 minutes in line to get my copy, unfourtunatly, if I didn't go last night, I woulden't have gotten a copy. Welcome to the small town of Anchorage.

Anyway, I got it home, opened it this morning before work, and noticed it hasen't been encoded in DTS. Any audiophiles here, that sucks. 70% of the DVD's you buy now are in DTS and the channel seperation is 100 times better then Dolby Digital. Once again, like the Phantom Menace, it's way over sampled in low frequences and IMO, just sounds bad. You have to completely re-balance your home theatre to get it to sound correctly.

Enough with my rant, I was just a little irritated that movie with this much hype, and could sound incredible didn't come in DTS, and IMO, sounds terrible.

Mr.Deflok · 09-21-2004, 09:01 AM

http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthr...ight=star+wars

I'll be grabbing mine in a couple of hours, would've been nice to get DTS but I'll take the OT on DVD any way I can.

FaderMonkey · 09-21-2004, 09:27 AM

I don't know....I think DTS is a little overrated. Yeah, technically DTS should sound better, but I don't really find that it does. I remember doing Dolby Digital/DTS comparisons in school and we almost always picked Dolby as sounding better.

Dane Bramage · 09-21-2004, 10:09 AM

I just got mine! Can't wait for the weekend so I can watch all three in a row...

Yeah, I'm a geek... so? You gotta problem with that?

Kurant · 09-21-2004, 11:21 AM

Either way, it really makes no difference.

Lucas did a very poor job of encoding and sampling the movies. I watched the first one, and all it really was, is up to date, electronically enchanced soundtrack/sounds with oversampled bass in explosions, death star scenes, etc.. etc.. The huge bass drops when explosions hit are way out of place. The Phantom Meance was the most oversampled with lower freqs in a movie I've ever seen. This is almost just as bad.

Yes, I might be critical, but I bough the trilogy for what I thought would be a re-worked soundtrack with the X-wings and saber/blaster scenes, nothing changed all that much from the VHS version. My 4 rear surrounds were barely used for much more then soundtrack work. A few scenes include shots be fired, or ships going behind you, but not as much as I expected.

I personally like DTS much better, seperation between channels is much more distinct.

Maybe I just expected too much from a re-worked movie that's almost 30 years old.

FaderMonkey · 09-21-2004, 01:11 PM

Seems that there might be some audio problems with the Episode 4 disc:

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http://www.thedigitalbits.com/mytwoc....html#ep4audio

In all the hype over the DVD release of Star Wars, I'm afraid to say there's a bit of bad news about the discs (or at least one of them) from a quality standpoint. We've discovered what we believe are serious audio defects on Episode IV - A New Hope. We've updated our DVD review of the set accordingly with the details as follows:

1) The familiar Force theme trumpet fanfare that used to play right after Red Leader says: "This is it!" and just as the X-wings start diving towards the Death Star's surface has been dialed back in volume so that it's almost inaudible - it's almost completely buried in the surround mix.

2) The audio quality varies wildly as Tarkin says the line: "You would prefer another target, a military target? Then name the system." - almost as if the master sound element was damaged.

3) Also, John Williams' score for the film seems to have been flipped in the rear channels, so that what should be the left rear channel seems to be playing from the right rear channel (and vise versa). What this means is that the rear channels don't match the front channels - instruments heard from the front right channel come from the left rear instead of the right rear. It's hard to notice, but we're getting a number of reports from people hearing this.

These problems would seem to be severe enough to merit a repressing/exchange of the disc. We're waiting to hear back from Lucasfilm on this issue and we'll update this review with the details as soon as we do.

and some more info:

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http://thedigitalbits.com/#audup

Well... Lucasfilm has responded to our questions about the audio issue on the DVD of Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope with a blanket statement of denial. Here's the exact text:

"We are always impressed with how closely fans listen to the many different sound mixes we have made for the Star Wars movies over the years. It is flattering to know that, indeed, the audience is listening. Consequently, each mix comes out differently and any changes that you hear on the all-new Dolby Digital 5.1 Surround EX tracks on the Star Wars Trilogy DVD set are deliberate creative decisions. We can confirm that there are no technical glitches as reported."

Now here's my response. I don't buy it. The audio quality of that Tarkin line can't be anything other than a technical issue, probably a problem with the original audio element of the dialogue, and Lucasfilm doesn't want to cop to that on the eve of the big release. When you guys hear it tomorrow, you'll know exactly what I'm talking about. Tarkin's "Then name the system!" line sounds terrible. As far as dialing down the trumpet fanfare during the Death Star attack (in fact, much of Williams' music during the first part of the attack has been reduced in volume in the mix)... I can see that could be a creative decision. It's a decision I absolutely HATE, but okay, maybe that's a creative decision. You guys will have to see what you think when you get the discs.

As far as the reversed music in the surrounds issue - it's going to be very hard for the average listener to detect. We've heard from a number of sources, however, who claim to hear it. In fact, that's how we originally became aware of the problem ourselves. Still, in light of Lucasfilm's denial, we'd like more of you die hard audiophiles to give this disc a listen yourselves and see if you hear it too.

Kurant · 09-21-2004, 01:40 PM

Just so you know, there is TONS of audio issues in Disc 5 as well, it's almost mind boggling this disc made it out of production like this.

At or around track 40-45 when they are escaping the city where vader has them, trying to freeze Luke, there are blaster sounds, well, there are supposed to be. They don't make ANY noise! It's barelu audible the sounds the blaster makes. During the chase scene, they show scenes where the blasters are flying across the screen, they all make noise. But when they show the blasters shooting, you can barely hear them, if at all. Lando yells somthing, and it's during the middle of all the shooting, you can hear all the dailouge, and barely audible gunfire.

Disc 4 doesn't have half the problem throughout the whole movie, that Disc 5 has in this 15 minut segment. Lucas should be shot that a disc left production like this. It's, well, excuse my french, fucking idiocy.

yakimushi · 09-21-2004, 02:24 PM

Lucas is a hack and should eat a dick.

I was kind of considering getting this box set but now I'm going to hold out until Lucas dies and someone wakes up, smells the shit that is the "enhanced" editions, and releases the true copies of the movies.

shortynickel · 09-22-2004, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by FaderMonkey

I don't know....I think DTS is a little overrated. Yeah, technically DTS should sound better, but I don't really find that it does. I remember doing Dolby Digital/DTS comparisons in school and we almost always picked Dolby as sounding better.

I am curious how u had things setup...what u used(wires, speakers, receiver and dvd player)...cause in my house..DTS always sounds better...and i didnt spend a hella lot on my system either...i just have a kenwood receiver for late 90's, new jvc dvd player, monster cable, jbl center and loadspeakers with infinity surround

oh i do like ur post below the one i am quoting...its very informative thanx

guthmund · 09-22-2004, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by yakimushi

Lucas is a hack and should eat a dick.

I was kind of considering getting this box set but now I'm going to hold out until Lucas dies and someone wakes up, smells the shit that is the "enhanced" editions, and releases the true copies of the movies.

But that wouldn't be true to Lucas' current "vision" of what the trilogy should be. It's just too bad that Lucas' current "vision of what the trilogy should be is utter and total shit warmed over.

I knew this was going to happen as soon as I heard about the new enhanced version of the original trilogy on VHS he released half a decade ago. The new backgrounds were nice, but the new scenes were abominable and looked like shit. It seems the trend continues with the DVD release. Except now it seems as if George's obsessive tinkering has now expanded its scope to include fucking up the audio as well.

Thanks Mr. Lucas

Fire · 09-23-2004, 12:59 AM

I got a buddy with the original, un re- fucked up version of the ot on laserdisc
and he just got the stuff to transfer it to dvd-
thats my new relased version- cause han always shot first- and now he always will
and when my kids see it, it will be the real thing- not what an old hack thinks looks better on this particular day......

YaWhateva · 09-23-2004, 06:21 AM

here is a little comic for you guys.

http://www.pvponline.com/archive.php3?archive=20040921

quadro2000 · 09-23-2004, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by YaWhateva

here is a little comic for you guys.

http://www.pvponline.com/archive.php3?archive=20040921

archer2371 · 09-23-2004, 10:34 AM

I've watched A New Hope and Empire, and I haven't really noticed all of these things that you say are just completely out of whack. Then again, I don't have surround sound, so I may not be getting the full spectrum of sounds in my brain needed to notice these things. I really think that everyone needs to get off Lucas' back, I mean, c'mon I watch it for the story and the chemistry between the actors, not for the visual effects or the differences in sound or minor changes in scenes. Sure, they're icing on the cake, but, pfft, these versions are essentially the same. He hasn't tried to replace the original actors, he hasn't tried to change any of the essential dialogue, but I don't know, I thought Star Wars was supposed to be something fun to watch, not something for over-zealous fanboys nitpicking at every change that has been made. I guess I was mistaken.

Note: Wrote this before I saw the online comic.

BuddyHawks · 09-24-2004, 02:01 PM

i just noticed this

the scene after alderan dies, they're in the ship and luke is practicing with green lightsaber, twenty seconds, later, he has a blue one. has this always been there, why didnt lucas fix this?

ben gives luke his father's blue one in his house,
ben uses his green one in the bar
luke's is supposed to be blue

Fremen · 09-24-2004, 02:19 PM

Man, mother's are great, aren't they?!
My mom, out of the blue, bought me this trilogy because she knows I love SW.
Four days earlier, I had ordered my own copy from Amazon. Now I have two copies!

I could watch two Ep. VI's at a time if I wanted to.

(probably give it to my bro for Christmas, though)

BuddyHawks · 09-24-2004, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BuddyHawks

i just noticed this

the scene after alderan dies, they're in the ship and luke is practicing with green lightsaber, twenty seconds, later, he has a blue one. has this always been there, why didnt lucas fix this?

ben gives luke his father's blue one in his house,
ben uses his green one in the bar
luke's is supposed to be blue

ok, ben is fighting with vader on the death star and his is blue now. what the hell.

kiwiman · 09-24-2004, 09:01 PM

Luke's head bobbing back up after jumping down after Vader in Cloud City is still there.

That's the best part of the whole trilogy.

Kurant · 09-25-2004, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by archer2371

I've watched A New Hope and Empire, and I haven't really noticed all of these things that you say are just completely out of whack. Then again, I don't have surround sound, so I may not be getting the full spectrum of sounds in my brain needed to notice these things. I really think that everyone needs to get off Lucas' back, I mean, c'mon I watch it for the story and the chemistry between the actors, not for the visual effects or the differences in sound or minor changes in scenes. Sure, they're icing on the cake, but, pfft, these versions are essentially the same. He hasn't tried to replace the original actors, he hasn't tried to change any of the essential dialogue, but I don't know, I thought Star Wars was supposed to be something fun to watch, not something for over-zealous fanboys nitpicking at every change that has been made. I guess I was mistaken.

Note: Wrote this before I saw the online comic.

Making a movie with blaster fire, an explosion and none of it being audible in a 45 second scene, along with fighters going out the left of your screen, being playing in the opposite speaker, along with badly cropped and sampled sound bits, just doesn't cut it. There is more then one occasion of oversampled low frequncies, boring, 1977 sound bits, with most of the rear surround work on a 5.1 system being simply soundtrack work. I didn't buy it for that, I bought it for what was promised 10 months ago in the article in Entertainment Weekly (I think that's where I read it) and it didn't deliver.

I'm not pissed off over stupid crap like Han not firing first. If that's somthing that really worries you about these films, find a hobby. I'm certianly not nitpicking these films to the point of obsession.

The movies are fine, the sound, is terrible. Although, I have noticed a few "cropping" lines on some scenes that look like were ran through a computer and re-rendered. They are blatently obvious. Any audiophile-home-theatre junkie can easily spot them.

I bought the movie for the home theatre experince which was promised in the initial interview that I read about the trilogy. I can still sit here and enjoy the filmes, but not to the extent that I wish I could. I love home theatre, I love the sound - I don't buy many movies that don't sound good, and I don't enjoy. I didn't enjoy this one because of the 1977 sound. I can watch my VHS tapes and be just as happy, and get the same experience. I shouldn't be irritated about that?

BTW, did they chance Bubba Fett's voice to match Episode 1 and 2?

kiwiman · 09-25-2004, 04:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Kurant

BTW, did they chance Bubba Fett's voice to match Episode 1 and 2?

Yep, Temuera Morrison redid the voice.

archer2371 · 09-25-2004, 09:27 AM

I agree with you Kurant, I put my point in there about not having surround sound probably making it impossible for me to detect what you are. I've got no problem with guys like you who are disappointed with the sound, I mean, that is an integral part of the trilogy. What really chaps my ass is the fanboys who complain about shit that doesn't matter. You on the other hand, have a reasonable gripe because your experience is diminished because of crappy sound, not because Han didn't shoot first, or Jabba is too green, or Temuera Morrison voiced over for Boba Fett, etc. Like I said, I haven't noticed it, probably because I don't have surround sound.

sadistikdreams · 09-25-2004, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by YaWhateva

here is a little comic for you guys.

http://www.pvponline.com/archive.php3?archive=20040921

THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!

You guys, go ahead and rant. To me though, it's hilarious.

I fucking love all the star wars movies. It's just good story telling. It could've been done stop-motion animation (a la Nightmare Before Xmas), or it could've been done with regular animation, HELL! It could've been done South Park style, with bit and pieces of construction paper, and it will STILL be a good series.

But, I digress... Some of you fell in love with the visual, & some of you fell in love with the story.

Bim · 09-26-2004, 12:46 AM

I just got this today. Man, O man, i loved it. Me and all my friends sat down and watched all three. This is an awsome box set. Takes me back to when i first watched these. Seeing it all over again in high quality, and some added stuff, was just awsome. These are awsome movies. Can't get enough, gotta watch em again! Makes me kinda want to go watch Episode 1 & 2 again. . . hmm. . .

MikeyChalupa · 09-27-2004, 03:28 AM

I was actually pretty happy to see Ian McDiarmid as the Emperor. I thought having him be the one to tell Vader that Luke is his son was an interesting change. Keeps with the whole grand scheme for the galaxy he started developing in Ep. I.

I don't have surround sound, so I can't report any technical issues with the discs, but just playing through my trusty ol' TV speakers, the opening 20th Century Fox fanfare sounded like ass on ANH. Very tinny. I popped the disc out and put the other two in and they sounded fine. I put ANH back in and it was still crappy. So that sucks. I really wish the deleted scenes were in here, but then when has Lucas ever given the fans what they want? No, much more important to put Gungans in ROTJ. I literally threw my remote when I saw that. Thanks, fuckhead. With all the money we spent on action figures, lunchboxes, and pez dispensers during the 80's, you DO owe us.

-Mikey

quadro2000 · 09-27-2004, 07:52 AM

Haven't watched any of the original movies yet, but I watched the 2.5 hour documentary "Empire of Dreams" on the fourth disc - and it's amazing. I loved every second of it.

Stare At The Sun · 09-27-2004, 08:50 AM

What really pisses me off - I just paid 50 bucks for these movies, and yet, in A new hope, when the falcon escapes the death star and the Asteroid chase scene on empire, you can still see the blocks around the tie fighters. With all the digital editing technology they have, you would have thought they could have fixed that.

Also, there are a few audio issues. After all this time, you would think that they would have fixed this shit.

Xenomorph · 09-27-2004, 10:28 AM

Yeah, I don't even remember the blocks around the spacecraft in the '96 theatrical release or the original VHS'es, but they look atrocious on the DVDs.

Watched all 3 movies, haven't watched bonus material yet. I was satisfied. Definately worth the $40 it was at Best Buy.

Fremen · 09-27-2004, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Stare At The Sun

What really pisses me off - I just paid 50 bucks for these movies, and yet, in A new hope, when the falcon escapes the death star and the Asteroid chase scene on empire, you can still see the blocks around the tie fighters. With all the digital editing technology they have, you would have thought they could have fixed that.

I noticed that shit, too. That's another piss in the face by the Lucas Gang.

They might as well don facemasks and pull a gun....

Draconis · 09-27-2004, 01:41 PM

honestly, i have one thing to say.
BUY THE LASER DISC BOOTLEGS
That's it. It's the original, transferred from laserdisc, without all the major fuck up of the special editions.
Fuck lucas and his goddamn meddling.

BuddyHawks · 09-27-2004, 03:57 PM

I've been rewatching the DVDs with the audio commentary turned on, which is pretty interesting and enjoyable.
I also noticed the squares around the tie fighters, and saw some really bad CGI, but overall, I'm really pleased with the DVDs, they look sexy in my collection.

And in reference to Greedo shooting first, in the DVD they changed it so they shoot almost simultaneously, which made me happy.

shortynickel · 09-28-2004, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Stare At The Sun

What really pisses me off - I just paid 50 bucks for these movies, and yet, in A new hope, when the falcon escapes the death star and the Asteroid chase scene on empire, you can still see the blocks around the tie fighters. With all the digital editing technology they have, you would have thought they could have fixed that.

Also, there are a few audio issues. After all this time, you would think that they would have fixed this shit.

Does that surprise you? They have the ability to do it...but i think he just wanted to get it out on the shelves to make him even richer

MageB420666 · 09-28-2004, 07:56 PM

You know what? I watched episode IV the other day and didn't notice any of that, it may have been because I was watching it on my laptop with headphones, or it may have been because it's still a great movie even if Lucas fucks around with it some. I am a dedicated star wars fan and I watch the movie for the movie, not to get picky over details that have no real effect on the impact of the movie.

Mr.Deflok · 09-28-2004, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MageB420666

You know what? I watched episode IV the other day and didn't notice any of that, it may have been because I was watching it on my laptop with headphones, or it may have been because it's still a great movie even if Lucas fucks around with it some. I am a dedicated star wars fan and I watch the movie for the movie, not to get picky over details that have no real effect on the impact of the movie.

Rock on.

They're fantastic films no matter what Lucas does to them. The plot and the themes remain the same. I'll admit I'm no big fan of Hayden as Anakin in ROTJ but I'm no hater either. I find the change in conversation in ESB very interesting too, I trust Lucas has a good setup planned in Episode III.

Kurant · 09-28-2004, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by MageB420666

You know what? I watched episode IV the other day and didn't notice any of that, it may have been because I was watching it on my laptop with headphones, or it may have been because it's still a great movie even if Lucas fucks around with it some. I am a dedicated star wars fan and I watch the movie for the movie, not to get picky over details that have no real effect on the impact of the movie.

Yeah, great.

If I was sitting in front of a laptop with headphones, audio that you can't hear in headphones, and digital that isn't as defined on a DLP television, therefore things you can't see. I probably woulden't care either. However, I bought the movie for the specific things that were promised, including 7.1, new/reworked sounds and soundtracks. Some of it delivered, some failed terribly.

09-21-2004, 08:55 AM	#1 (permalink)
Kurant Junkie Location: Don't worry about it.	Star Wars Trilogy Well, once again Lucas let me down. I went to the midnight release last night at Best Buy here in Anchorage, too mu surprise, there was between 200-300 people there. I waited about 50 minutes in line to get my copy, unfourtunatly, if I didn't go last night, I woulden't have gotten a copy. Welcome to the small town of Anchorage. Anyway, I got it home, opened it this morning before work, and noticed it hasen't been encoded in DTS. Any audiophiles here, that sucks. 70% of the DVD's you buy now are in DTS and the channel seperation is 100 times better then Dolby Digital. Once again, like the Phantom Menace, it's way over sampled in low frequences and IMO, just sounds bad. You have to completely re-balance your home theatre to get it to sound correctly. Enough with my rant, I was just a little irritated that movie with this much hype, and could sound incredible didn't come in DTS, and IMO, sounds terrible.

09-21-2004, 10:09 AM	#4 (permalink)
Dane Bramage Insane Location: Charlotte, NC	I just got mine! Can't wait for the weekend so I can watch all three in a row... Yeah, I'm a geek... so? You gotta problem with that? __________________ Every passing hour brings the Solar System forty-three thousand miles closer to Globular Cluster M13 in Hercules — and still there are some misfits who insist that there is no such thing as progress. Kurt Vonnegut - Sirens of Titan

09-21-2004, 11:21 AM	#5 (permalink)
Kurant Junkie Location: Don't worry about it.	Either way, it really makes no difference. Lucas did a very poor job of encoding and sampling the movies. I watched the first one, and all it really was, is up to date, electronically enchanced soundtrack/sounds with oversampled bass in explosions, death star scenes, etc.. etc.. The huge bass drops when explosions hit are way out of place. The Phantom Meance was the most oversampled with lower freqs in a movie I've ever seen. This is almost just as bad. Yes, I might be critical, but I bough the trilogy for what I thought would be a re-worked soundtrack with the X-wings and saber/blaster scenes, nothing changed all that much from the VHS version. My 4 rear surrounds were barely used for much more then soundtrack work. A few scenes include shots be fired, or ships going behind you, but not as much as I expected. I personally like DTS much better, seperation between channels is much more distinct. Maybe I just expected too much from a re-worked movie that's almost 30 years old. Last edited by Kurant; 09-21-2004 at 11:27 AM..

09-23-2004, 12:59 AM	#11 (permalink)
Fire Warrior Smith Location: missouri	I got a buddy with the original, un re- fucked up version of the ot on laserdisc and he just got the stuff to transfer it to dvd- thats my new relased version- cause han always shot first- and now he always will and when my kids see it, it will be the real thing- not what an old hack thinks looks better on this particular day...... __________________ Thought the harder, Heart the bolder, Mood the more as our might lessens

09-23-2004, 06:21 AM	#12 (permalink)
YaWhateva Friend Location: New Mexico	here is a little comic for you guys. http://www.pvponline.com/archive.php3?archive=20040921 __________________ “If the Americans go in and overthrow Saddam Hussein and it's clean, he has nothing, I will apologize to the nation, and I will not trust the Bush administration again.” - Bill O'Reilly "This is my United States of Whateva!"

09-21-2004, 09:01 AM	#2 (permalink)
Mr.Deflok Blood + Fire Location: New Zealand	http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthr...ight=star+wars I'll be grabbing mine in a couple of hours, would've been nice to get DTS but I'll take the OT on DVD any way I can.

09-21-2004, 09:27 AM	#3 (permalink)
FaderMonkey Psycho Location: Orlando, FL	I don't know....I think DTS is a little overrated. Yeah, technically DTS should sound better, but I don't really find that it does. I remember doing Dolby Digital/DTS comparisons in school and we almost always picked Dolby as sounding better.

09-21-2004, 01:40 PM	#7 (permalink)
Kurant Junkie Location: Don't worry about it.	Just so you know, there is TONS of audio issues in Disc 5 as well, it's almost mind boggling this disc made it out of production like this. At or around track 40-45 when they are escaping the city where vader has them, trying to freeze Luke, there are blaster sounds, well, there are supposed to be. They don't make ANY noise! It's barelu audible the sounds the blaster makes. During the chase scene, they show scenes where the blasters are flying across the screen, they all make noise. But when they show the blasters shooting, you can barely hear them, if at all. Lando yells somthing, and it's during the middle of all the shooting, you can hear all the dailouge, and barely audible gunfire. Disc 4 doesn't have half the problem throughout the whole movie, that Disc 5 has in this 15 minut segment. Lucas should be shot that a disc left production like this. It's, well, excuse my french, fucking idiocy.

09-21-2004, 02:24 PM	#8 (permalink)
yakimushi Addict	Lucas is a hack and should eat a dick. I was kind of considering getting this box set but now I'm going to hold out until Lucas dies and someone wakes up, smells the shit that is the "enhanced" editions, and releases the true copies of the movies.

09-23-2004, 10:34 AM	#14 (permalink)
archer2371 Sarge of Blood Gulch Red Outpost Number One Location: On the front lines against our very enemy	I've watched A New Hope and Empire, and I haven't really noticed all of these things that you say are just completely out of whack. Then again, I don't have surround sound, so I may not be getting the full spectrum of sounds in my brain needed to notice these things. I really think that everyone needs to get off Lucas' back, I mean, c'mon I watch it for the story and the chemistry between the actors, not for the visual effects or the differences in sound or minor changes in scenes. Sure, they're icing on the cake, but, pfft, these versions are essentially the same. He hasn't tried to replace the original actors, he hasn't tried to change any of the essential dialogue, but I don't know, I thought Star Wars was supposed to be something fun to watch, not something for over-zealous fanboys nitpicking at every change that has been made. I guess I was mistaken. Note: Wrote this before I saw the online comic. __________________ "This ain't no Ice Cream Social!" "Hey Grif, Chupathingy...how bout that? I like it...got a ring to it." "I have no earthly idea what it is I just saw, or what this place is, or where in the hell O'Malley is! My only choice is to blame Grif for coming up with such a flawed plan. Stupid, stupid Grif." Last edited by archer2371; 09-23-2004 at 10:37 AM.. Reason: addition for clarification

09-24-2004, 02:01 PM	#15 (permalink)
BuddyHawks Swashbuckling Location: Iowa...sometimes	i just noticed this the scene after alderan dies, they're in the ship and luke is practicing with green lightsaber, twenty seconds, later, he has a blue one. has this always been there, why didnt lucas fix this? ben gives luke his father's blue one in his house, ben uses his green one in the bar luke's is supposed to be blue __________________ Watch More TV

09-24-2004, 02:19 PM	#16 (permalink)
Fremen With a mustache, the cool factor would be too much Location: left side of my couch, East Texas	Man, mother's are great, aren't they?! My mom, out of the blue, bought me this trilogy because she knows I love SW. Four days earlier, I had ordered my own copy from Amazon. Now I have two copies! I could watch two Ep. VI's at a time if I wanted to. (probably give it to my bro for Christmas, though) __________________ Google

09-24-2004, 09:01 PM	#18 (permalink)
kiwiman Crazy Location: New Zealand	Luke's head bobbing back up after jumping down after Vader in Cloud City is still there. That's the best part of the whole trilogy.

09-25-2004, 09:27 AM	#21 (permalink)
archer2371 Sarge of Blood Gulch Red Outpost Number One Location: On the front lines against our very enemy	I agree with you Kurant, I put my point in there about not having surround sound probably making it impossible for me to detect what you are. I've got no problem with guys like you who are disappointed with the sound, I mean, that is an integral part of the trilogy. What really chaps my ass is the fanboys who complain about shit that doesn't matter. You on the other hand, have a reasonable gripe because your experience is diminished because of crappy sound, not because Han didn't shoot first, or Jabba is too green, or Temuera Morrison voiced over for Boba Fett, etc. Like I said, I haven't noticed it, probably because I don't have surround sound. __________________ "This ain't no Ice Cream Social!" "Hey Grif, Chupathingy...how bout that? I like it...got a ring to it." "I have no earthly idea what it is I just saw, or what this place is, or where in the hell O'Malley is! My only choice is to blame Grif for coming up with such a flawed plan. Stupid, stupid Grif."

09-26-2004, 12:46 AM	#23 (permalink)
Bim Crazy Location: Onett, EagleLand	I just got this today. Man, O man, i loved it. Me and all my friends sat down and watched all three. This is an awsome box set. Takes me back to when i first watched these. Seeing it all over again in high quality, and some added stuff, was just awsome. These are awsome movies. Can't get enough, gotta watch em again! Makes me kinda want to go watch Episode 1 & 2 again. . . hmm. . . __________________ "If you stay here too long, you'll end up frying your brain. Yes, you will. No, you will...not. Yesno, you will won't." -Guy in Moonside

09-27-2004, 03:28 AM	#24 (permalink)
MikeyChalupa Squid Location: USS George Washington	I was actually pretty happy to see Ian McDiarmid as the Emperor. I thought having him be the one to tell Vader that Luke is his son was an interesting change. Keeps with the whole grand scheme for the galaxy he started developing in Ep. I. I don't have surround sound, so I can't report any technical issues with the discs, but just playing through my trusty ol' TV speakers, the opening 20th Century Fox fanfare sounded like ass on ANH. Very tinny. I popped the disc out and put the other two in and they sounded fine. I put ANH back in and it was still crappy. So that sucks. I really wish the deleted scenes were in here, but then when has Lucas ever given the fans what they want? No, much more important to put Gungans in ROTJ. I literally threw my remote when I saw that. Thanks, fuckhead. With all the money we spent on action figures, lunchboxes, and pez dispensers during the 80's, you DO owe us. -Mikey

09-27-2004, 07:52 AM	#25 (permalink)
quadro2000 All Possibility, Made Of Custard Location: New York, NY	Haven't watched any of the original movies yet, but I watched the 2.5 hour documentary "Empire of Dreams" on the fourth disc - and it's amazing. I loved every second of it. __________________ You have to laugh at yourself...because you'd cry your eyes out if you didn't. - Emily Saliers

09-27-2004, 08:50 AM	#26 (permalink)
Stare At The Sun Eh? Location: Somewhere over the rainbow	What really pisses me off - I just paid 50 bucks for these movies, and yet, in A new hope, when the falcon escapes the death star and the Asteroid chase scene on empire, you can still see the blocks around the tie fighters. With all the digital editing technology they have, you would have thought they could have fixed that. Also, there are a few audio issues. After all this time, you would think that they would have fixed this shit.

09-27-2004, 10:28 AM	#27 (permalink)
Xenomorph Crazy Location: St. Louis, MO	Yeah, I don't even remember the blocks around the spacecraft in the '96 theatrical release or the original VHS'es, but they look atrocious on the DVDs. Watched all 3 movies, haven't watched bonus material yet. I was satisfied. Definately worth the $40 it was at Best Buy. __________________ The facehugger is short-lived outside the egg which normally protects it. Armed with a long grasping tail, a spray of highly-concentrated acid and the single-minded desire to impregnate a single selected prey using its extending probe, it will fearlessly pursue and attack a single selected target until it has succeeded in attachment or it or its target is dead

09-27-2004, 01:41 PM	#29 (permalink)
Draconis Insane Location: Normandy, June of '44	honestly, i have one thing to say. BUY THE LASER DISC BOOTLEGS That's it. It's the original, transferred from laserdisc, without all the major fuck up of the special editions. Fuck lucas and his goddamn meddling. __________________ STEVE MCKENNA!

09-27-2004, 03:57 PM	#30 (permalink)
BuddyHawks Swashbuckling Location: Iowa...sometimes	I've been rewatching the DVDs with the audio commentary turned on, which is pretty interesting and enjoyable. I also noticed the squares around the tie fighters, and saw some really bad CGI, but overall, I'm really pleased with the DVDs, they look sexy in my collection. And in reference to Greedo shooting first, in the DVD they changed it so they shoot almost simultaneously, which made me happy. __________________ Watch More TV

09-28-2004, 07:56 PM	#32 (permalink)
MageB420666 <Insert wise statement here> Location: Hell if I know	You know what? I watched episode IV the other day and didn't notice any of that, it may have been because I was watching it on my laptop with headphones, or it may have been because it's still a great movie even if Lucas fucks around with it some. I am a dedicated star wars fan and I watch the movie for the movie, not to get picky over details that have no real effect on the impact of the movie. __________________ Apathy: The best outlook this side of I don't give a damn.