Star Wars Trilogy
 

Well, once again Lucas let me down. I went to the midnight release last night at Best Buy here in Anchorage, too mu surprise, there was between 200-300 people there. I waited about 50 minutes in line to get my copy, unfourtunatly, if I didn't go last night, I woulden't have gotten a copy. Welcome to the small town of Anchorage.

Anyway, I got it home, opened it this morning before work, and noticed it hasen't been encoded in DTS. Any audiophiles here, that sucks. 70% of the DVD's you buy now are in DTS and the channel seperation is 100 times better then Dolby Digital. Once again, like the Phantom Menace, it's way over sampled in low frequences and IMO, just sounds bad. You have to completely re-balance your home theatre to get it to sound correctly.

Enough with my rant, I was just a little irritated that movie with this much hype, and could sound incredible didn't come in DTS, and IMO, sounds terrible.

http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthr...ight=star+wars

I'll be grabbing mine in a couple of hours, would've been nice to get DTS but I'll take the OT on DVD any way I can.

I don't know....I think DTS is a little overrated. Yeah, technically DTS should sound better, but I don't really find that it does. I remember doing Dolby Digital/DTS comparisons in school and we almost always picked Dolby as sounding better.

I just got mine! Can't wait for the weekend so I can watch all three in a row...

Yeah, I'm a geek... so? You gotta problem with that? :lol:

Either way, it really makes no difference.

Lucas did a very poor job of encoding and sampling the movies. I watched the first one, and all it really was, is up to date, electronically enchanced soundtrack/sounds with oversampled bass in explosions, death star scenes, etc.. etc.. The huge bass drops when explosions hit are way out of place. The Phantom Meance was the most oversampled with lower freqs in a movie I've ever seen. This is almost just as bad.

Yes, I might be critical, but I bough the trilogy for what I thought would be a re-worked soundtrack with the X-wings and saber/blaster scenes, nothing changed all that much from the VHS version. My 4 rear surrounds were barely used for much more then soundtrack work. A few scenes include shots be fired, or ships going behind you, but not as much as I expected.

I personally like DTS much better, seperation between channels is much more distinct.

Maybe I just expected too much from a re-worked movie that's almost 30 years old. :thumbsup:

Seems that there might be some audio problems with the Episode 4 disc:

and some more info:

Just so you know, there is TONS of audio issues in Disc 5 as well, it's almost mind boggling this disc made it out of production like this.

At or around track 40-45 when they are escaping the city where vader has them, trying to freeze Luke, there are blaster sounds, well, there are supposed to be. They don't make ANY noise! It's barelu audible the sounds the blaster makes. During the chase scene, they show scenes where the blasters are flying across the screen, they all make noise. But when they show the blasters shooting, you can barely hear them, if at all. Lando yells somthing, and it's during the middle of all the shooting, you can hear all the dailouge, and barely audible gunfire.

Disc 4 doesn't have half the problem throughout the whole movie, that Disc 5 has in this 15 minut segment. Lucas should be shot that a disc left production like this. It's, well, excuse my french, fucking idiocy.

Lucas is a hack and should eat a dick.

I was kind of considering getting this box set but now I'm going to hold out until Lucas dies and someone wakes up, smells the shit that is the "enhanced" editions, and releases the true copies of the movies.

I am curious how u had things setup...what u used(wires, speakers, receiver and dvd player)...cause in my house..DTS always sounds better...and i didnt spend a hella lot on my system either...i just have a kenwood receiver for late 90's, new jvc dvd player, monster cable, jbl center and loadspeakers with infinity surround

oh i do like ur post below the one i am quoting...its very informative thanx :thumbsup:

But that wouldn't be true to Lucas' current "vision" of what the trilogy should be. It's just too bad that Lucas' current "vision of what the trilogy should be is utter and total shit warmed over. :)

I knew this was going to happen as soon as I heard about the new enhanced version of the original trilogy on VHS he released half a decade ago. The new backgrounds were nice, but the new scenes were abominable and looked like shit. It seems the trend continues with the DVD release. Except now it seems as if George's obsessive tinkering has now expanded its scope to include fucking up the audio as well.


Thanks Mr. Lucas :thumbsup:

I got a buddy with the original, un re- fucked up version of the ot on laserdisc
and he just got the stuff to transfer it to dvd-
thats my new relased version- cause han always shot first- and now he always will
and when my kids see it, it will be the real thing- not what an old hack thinks looks better on this particular day......

here is a little comic for you guys.

http://www.pvponline.com/archive.php3?archive=20040921

:lol: :lol: :lol:

I've watched A New Hope and Empire, and I haven't really noticed all of these things that you say are just completely out of whack. Then again, I don't have surround sound, so I may not be getting the full spectrum of sounds in my brain needed to notice these things. I really think that everyone needs to get off Lucas' back, I mean, c'mon I watch it for the story and the chemistry between the actors, not for the visual effects or the differences in sound or minor changes in scenes. Sure, they're icing on the cake, but, pfft, these versions are essentially the same. He hasn't tried to replace the original actors, he hasn't tried to change any of the essential dialogue, but I don't know, I thought Star Wars was supposed to be something fun to watch, not something for over-zealous fanboys nitpicking at every change that has been made. I guess I was mistaken.

Note: Wrote this before I saw the online comic.

i just noticed this

the scene after alderan dies, they're in the ship and luke is practicing with green lightsaber, twenty seconds, later, he has a blue one. has this always been there, why didnt lucas fix this?

ben gives luke his father's blue one in his house,
ben uses his green one in the bar
luke's is supposed to be blue

Man, mother's are great, aren't they?!
My mom, out of the blue, bought me this trilogy because she knows I love SW.
Four days earlier, I had ordered my own copy from Amazon. Now I have two copies! :thumbsup:
I could watch two Ep. VI's at a time if I wanted to. ;)
(probably give it to my bro for Christmas, though)

ok, ben is fighting with vader on the death star and his is blue now. what the hell. :rolleyes:

Luke's head bobbing back up after jumping down after Vader in Cloud City is still there.


That's the best part of the whole trilogy.

Making a movie with blaster fire, an explosion and none of it being audible in a 45 second scene, along with fighters going out the left of your screen, being playing in the opposite speaker, along with badly cropped and sampled sound bits, just doesn't cut it. There is more then one occasion of oversampled low frequncies, boring, 1977 sound bits, with most of the rear surround work on a 5.1 system being simply soundtrack work. I didn't buy it for that, I bought it for what was promised 10 months ago in the article in Entertainment Weekly (I think that's where I read it) and it didn't deliver.

I'm not pissed off over stupid crap like Han not firing first. If that's somthing that really worries you about these films, find a hobby. I'm certianly not nitpicking these films to the point of obsession.

The movies are fine, the sound, is terrible. Although, I have noticed a few "cropping" lines on some scenes that look like were ran through a computer and re-rendered. They are blatently obvious. Any audiophile-home-theatre junkie can easily spot them.

I bought the movie for the home theatre experince which was promised in the initial interview that I read about the trilogy. I can still sit here and enjoy the filmes, but not to the extent that I wish I could. I love home theatre, I love the sound - I don't buy many movies that don't sound good, and I don't enjoy. I didn't enjoy this one because of the 1977 sound. I can watch my VHS tapes and be just as happy, and get the same experience. I shouldn't be irritated about that?

BTW, did they chance Bubba Fett's voice to match Episode 1 and 2?

Yep, Temuera Morrison redid the voice.

I agree with you Kurant, I put my point in there about not having surround sound probably making it impossible for me to detect what you are. I've got no problem with guys like you who are disappointed with the sound, I mean, that is an integral part of the trilogy. What really chaps my ass is the fanboys who complain about shit that doesn't matter. You on the other hand, have a reasonable gripe because your experience is diminished because of crappy sound, not because Han didn't shoot first, or Jabba is too green, or Temuera Morrison voiced over for Boba Fett, etc. Like I said, I haven't noticed it, probably because I don't have surround sound.

THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!

You guys, go ahead and rant. To me though, it's hilarious.

I fucking love all the star wars movies. It's just good story telling. It could've been done stop-motion animation (a la Nightmare Before Xmas), or it could've been done with regular animation, HELL! It could've been done South Park style, with bit and pieces of construction paper, and it will STILL be a good series.

But, I digress... Some of you fell in love with the visual, & some of you fell in love with the story.

I just got this today. Man, O man, i loved it. Me and all my friends sat down and watched all three. This is an awsome box set. Takes me back to when i first watched these. Seeing it all over again in high quality, and some added stuff, was just awsome. These are awsome movies. Can't get enough, gotta watch em again! Makes me kinda want to go watch Episode 1 & 2 again. . . hmm. . .

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

I was actually pretty happy to see Ian McDiarmid as the Emperor. I thought having him be the one to tell Vader that Luke is his son was an interesting change. Keeps with the whole grand scheme for the galaxy he started developing in Ep. I.

I don't have surround sound, so I can't report any technical issues with the discs, but just playing through my trusty ol' TV speakers, the opening 20th Century Fox fanfare sounded like ass on ANH. Very tinny. I popped the disc out and put the other two in and they sounded fine. I put ANH back in and it was still crappy. So that sucks. I really wish the deleted scenes were in here, but then when has Lucas ever given the fans what they want? No, much more important to put Gungans in ROTJ. I literally threw my remote when I saw that. Thanks, fuckhead. With all the money we spent on action figures, lunchboxes, and pez dispensers during the 80's, you DO owe us.

-Mikey

Haven't watched any of the original movies yet, but I watched the 2.5 hour documentary "Empire of Dreams" on the fourth disc - and it's amazing. I loved every second of it.

What really pisses me off - I just paid 50 bucks for these movies, and yet, in A new hope, when the falcon escapes the death star and the Asteroid chase scene on empire, you can still see the blocks around the tie fighters. With all the digital editing technology they have, you would have thought they could have fixed that.

Also, there are a few audio issues. After all this time, you would think that they would have fixed this shit.

Yeah, I don't even remember the blocks around the spacecraft in the '96 theatrical release or the original VHS'es, but they look atrocious on the DVDs.

Watched all 3 movies, haven't watched bonus material yet. I was satisfied. Definately worth the $40 it was at Best Buy.

I noticed that shit, too. That's another piss in the face by the Lucas Gang. :|
They might as well don facemasks and pull a gun.... :rolleyes:

honestly, i have one thing to say.
BUY THE LASER DISC BOOTLEGS
That's it. It's the original, transferred from laserdisc, without all the major fuck up of the special editions.
Fuck lucas and his goddamn meddling.

I've been rewatching the DVDs with the audio commentary turned on, which is pretty interesting and enjoyable.
I also noticed the squares around the tie fighters, and saw some really bad CGI, but overall, I'm really pleased with the DVDs, they look sexy in my collection.

And in reference to Greedo shooting first, in the DVD they changed it so they shoot almost simultaneously, which made me happy.

Does that surprise you? They have the ability to do it...but i think he just wanted to get it out on the shelves to make him even richer

You know what? I watched episode IV the other day and didn't notice any of that, it may have been because I was watching it on my laptop with headphones, or it may have been because it's still a great movie even if Lucas fucks around with it some. I am a dedicated star wars fan and I watch the movie for the movie, not to get picky over details that have no real effect on the impact of the movie.

Rock on.

They're fantastic films no matter what Lucas does to them. The plot and the themes remain the same. I'll admit I'm no big fan of Hayden as Anakin in ROTJ but I'm no hater either. I find the change in conversation in ESB very interesting too, I trust Lucas has a good setup planned in Episode III.

Yeah, great.

If I was sitting in front of a laptop with headphones, audio that you can't hear in headphones, and digital that isn't as defined on a DLP television, therefore things you can't see. I probably woulden't care either. However, I bought the movie for the specific things that were promised, including 7.1, new/reworked sounds and soundtracks. Some of it delivered, some failed terribly.