Amen, brother.
And, I liked The Core, too. ;)

This was one of the best movies I've ever seen. There were scenes that just gave me chills and were so moving. The scene in the subway car when the people are carrying him is just moving. Then that kid saying," We'll keep your secret," almost had me crying like a teenage girl watching the last episode of Dawson's Creek.

One problem I had with the movie, it's not really the movie, it's the theater. All these parents brought their little 3 and under kids and the kids were making noises and crying at some of the most sensitive parts. I'm trying to listen to Peter speech to Aunt May and I hear this damn kid crying in the back. If you can't shut up your kid, don't bring them to a movie.

Oh, and shut off your damn cell phone. A cell phone rang in the middle of the movie and I was ready to punch that guy.

Even with all those distractions I still liked, no.. loved this movie.

OMG!!! I just saw this movie!!! I just loooooooooooooooove how they portray his personal life so shitty is because he's always late. It is dead on, directly taken from the cartoon!!! And the fighting at the clock tower, SU-FUCKING-PERB!!! I fucking love this movie so much I have to stop myself from taking my pants off to wank in the theater. I could seriously bust a nut over this!!!

Quite correct, Halx. Don't expect fucking Citizen Kane here people. This is a comic book movie, and if you've NEVER read or seen a comic book, you're gonna just not get the story-telling devices that Raimi and company use. It's a good mix for those who aren't entirely familiar with the series, and comic-book-like enough to satisfy the freaks who've been with the comics since issue 1.

I saw it, and I was thoroughly impressed. It was a well put together story and very much in the spirit of Spider-Man. I mean, we'll overlook the fact that Pete should be getting over Gwen Stacy at this point and move on. Ok, in the comics, Doc Ock, is indeed a villain against his will, the arms are sentient and they drive him crazy, that's not a problem. This recurring theme has already been seen by the great amount of the public, because, you won't find too many anti-Spider-Man people, cuz jeez, he's a lovable loser and an underdog, not many people out there would root against that. This public knows how the Spidey plot evolves, and they'll expect it and I don't think they'll get that deja vu feeling that non-established franchises get. However, if there was one thing that I would change in the movies is that, Spidey's too damn serious. In the comics, he's snappin off one-liners like crazy while he's dukin it out with everybody, and I think that Sam Raimi needs to showcase that more. Really that's my only problem, I can overlook the Gwen Stacy thing (even tho that did take me a few months to get over) the plot change is done within the spirit of the established story; but I want lines like "Hey, you screwed up your theme, crazed green lunatic costume day was last friday!" outta Spidey.

I think you're thinking of Jonathan BRANDIS who is, unfortunately, dead: http://imdb.com/name/nm0000970/

More likely holtmate was talking about the prolific directer, producer, writer, and sometime actor, John Landis of movies like Animal House, The Blues Brothers, ¡Three Amigos!, Coming to America and many others. :)

Awesome movie. Went and saw it yesterday.

2st one sucked ass. so i don't plan on seeing this one. i hate comic book movies... only one i can love is Blade because he kills alot of ppl! and the xmen movies are good because they have a plan(defending themselves) unlike stupid heros like spiderman... "power comes responsability?" what the fuck is that! and why the spandex costume? i'd wear a t-shirt and jeans...

For someone who hates comic book movies, you sure like a lot of them. Blade, X-Men and X2. LOL!

The whole time I saw it....just a great big shit-eating grin on my face. JJ, Robbie, the scene when he was putting the brooms back in the closet, "I'm BACK, I'm BACK!!!!!!uwa----CRASH! My Back! My Back!" Beautiful movie.
2 questions:
1.Where was Felicity? Did I blink, cuz I don't remember her.
2. How Exactly does Doc Oc's normal human body survive a full on punch to the jaw from a guy that can pick up a car?

Oh, did you notice that EVERY time Oc was picking heavy stuff up with his tentacles, or moving things he would use at least one or two of them to brace himself? Nice touch...

If you mean Felicia, she wasn't in it.

I thought the same thing about Ock, but I guess that is nitpicky.

whoops, my bad.
Yeah, I read a review off of hotmail today that said she was in it in a foreshadow to the third one. I never noticed it...guess they were full of crack. Probably figured it was the landlords daughter. After all, a blonde character in SM must obviously be The Black Cat. Thanks, that was driving me nuts!
(Stan Lee's cameo was cool too, I just want to mention that...)

As you should know, Spiderman nearly always pulls his punches =)

i read an interview with kirsten dunst where she was walking about introducing the black cat, but they cut those scenes out.

i don't know how much i'd nitpick a comic book movie =p you could ask why with super human agility and a spider sense he still manages to trip over himself on the sidewalk. ;)

as for a venom/carnage movie i don't think that's gonna happen, at least anytime soon. because it'd suck. ok maybe it woouldn't, but highly likely it would suck. it'd just be a pure CGI fest, i keep thinking spawn as someone mentioned before.

besides, raimi's got enough to worry about. heh i don't know how he's gonna top this. freaking AWESOME movie. he's got his work cut out for him =/

Well, it's my opinion that the AI that was behind making the tentacles work also kept his brain from allowing him to feel pain to a certain degree, and to keep him from passing out.
Well, at that point in the movie, his powers were failing him, so it's not too much of a suprise to me that he would be a clumsy bitch.

Or Gwen Stacy, Liz Allen, etc.

Except we skipped the Gwen Stacy storyline. Sorry, knee-jerk reaction. I think the most logical next step in the plot-line would be the Sinister Six, because that's who he was fighting at the time of all his mutagenic accelerations into the...well, I won't spoil it for those casual fans of Spidey. Let's just say it has a connection with Pete losing his powers. Actually, scratch that, because Sam Raimi has yet to introduce The Lizard, Shocker, Mysterio, Scorpion, and The Chameleon, so he's probably going to follow the loss of powers storyline and involve Connors in it and bingo bango we've got a Lizard on our hands. One of these days, we're eventually going to have a cross-over movie, and let's hope that gets done right, because I don't want that to suck.

What about Harry Osborne though, that's a huge storyline possibility. I doubt Raimi could continue so far into the Spider-Man universe to get into them, at least not with his current stars. I mean, Kirsten Dunst seems to want out after the next movie, same thing for Tobey Maguire.

Estimates for Monday at $27,500,000, giving a 6-day cume of $180 Mill. SM2 should break SM1 record for fastest to $200 Mill (9 days).

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/daily/c...4-07-05&p=.htm

Here is another nit-picky thing:
Spoiler: The chip that prevented the arms from taking over Doc Ocs body was protected by the material used to protect the most valuable equipment, a thing piece of GLASS. You would think they would protect it with something more and embed it into the spinal cord, but then again the foreshadowing of having it in glass basically flat out said that the arms will take control of him.

raimi said he's not sure if he'll do a fourth, either. it depends on whether or not he's still excited to do it, if he's not he won't. i would assume maguire and dunst would tend to shy away from a fourth as mentioned just because as an actor no one wants to be typecast as that role. once you're stuck in a role like that and so well known for it, you're unlikely to be recognized as anything else.

one of the reasons sean connery got out of bond, and it's a damn good thing he did, too. people are shying away from the superman role because no one wants be known for one role.

it's not like tobey's so die-hard about this role either. they had to CONVINCE him to come back and play the role, they'd already given it to someone else (Jake Gyllenhaal, who incidentally is going out with Kirsten Dunst).

I just saw this and I'm not really a comic book fan, but I absolutely loved it. Great story, great acting (except for some of the one liners like mentioned before), Kirsten is just HOT. I can't wait to see the 3rd.

Fantastic Movie! It had everything 1 didn't have and more!

Key,

His powers were fading in and out. Hence the wall slippage, the web misfires, the fuzzy vision. Remeber, he put on his glasses right after he tripped. When he was back together, he saw things fuzzy with his glasses and took them off.


All, in all, I liked the movie. I'm sure there were places were it diverged wildly from the comic, but I read them when they were 12 cents and it been a looooong time.

I think Raimi did a great job with it.

Want to see this aswell. I thought the first was ok but looking forward to this.

Just got back from it.

Thought it was pretty good. I think a merger between Spidey 1 and 2 will yield the end all be all Spidey movie in 3. I was all for the conflict Peter had with himself going into the movie, but was dissappointed to see such a high amount of "petulant child" in him during it.

The train sequence has got to be the best action sequence of the year, already.

Definately gets my vote for the best superhero movie to date (I'll still stick with X2 for the best comic book movie though).

i'll agree with that. i was pleasantly surprised, i didn't think it was possible to do a train action sequence and not have it totally cliched out. i mean there've been countless movies that've done it, and when the scene started i was afraid it might be lame or use too many already-done moves. i should have known i'd be wrong. :)

Just got back and could not wait to register my disappointment on the internet, as CBG would say.
Crap, and I love comic book movies, including the first Spider-Man. Things I liked:
Dafoe's cameo (good rhyme)
The main fight between Spidey and Ock. Very well done.
Bruce Campbell.

Things I didn't like:
The OR scene. Particularly grotesque, though appropriate for Raimi.
Face-distorting screams from all the actors, especially Maguire on the train. Keep the mask on, buddy.
Needlessly patronizing exposition on topics like the inhibitor chip and Peter's duty as Spider-Man.
Attempts at humor that feel very flat, like Peter constantly reaching for food or drink on trays at the party or struggling interminably with the broom closet at the beginning.

Etc. Crap, dreck, disappointing.

I saw it a few nights ago and thought it was fantastic! This coming from someone who thought the original Spiderman was just "ok", definately not deserving of all it's hype and money.

What made this film work so well was the actors, Ock could've been played in the same vain as Gobby but Molina pulled him off beautifully, I adored the scene where he's in the river "I CONTROL YOU!". Toby Maguire too is great, he may not be like the Peter Parker I'm used to from the comics (back when I still read 'em) but he plays the part convincingly. With that said Jonah Jameson is perhaps the most perfectly portrayed character, I would never be able to tell the difference between his comic form and his film.

There are so many reasons why this film is so great, and you guys have mentioned them nearly all, I still don't think it's as great as some of you are saying but it is still definately a work of art.

BTW, the Alex Ross title sequence owned me.

Saw it Monday night, and it just might be the best movie I've seen this year....wait, wait....it IS the best movie I've seen this year.

I liked the fact that the superhero gets unmasked so many times. It sets it apart from all the other superhero, mystical man with superpowers types of movies. Now everybody who is close to him knows who he is. It'll make 3 VERY interesting IMO.

I know nothing about Spiderman at all. Or comic books in general. But I loved this movie. Can't find a fault with it at all.

I saw it a couple of times, and my only complaint is how Spiderman took off his mask during the train fight scene. Other than that the fucking movie was awesome, and I absolutley loved it, and so did my girlfriend who hates comics. I just hope in part 3 the Green Goblin loses that stupid exoskeleton, or whatever it was. And I hope that Connors turns into Lizard. Most people have no clue that Lizard was actually introduced in part 2. And we all know that Doc Oc isn't dead.

I know everyone wants to see the Venom, but there's too many great villains that came way before him. I'd love to see Kraven, Vulture, or even Rhino before Venom.

loved the movie.. (company was great too)

I'd hate to see Rhino.. he sucked as a villian in my opinion

I think the symbiotes are too far into the series for them to be incorporated into part 3, or even part 4 without rushing it. Eddie Brock was mentioned once, fucking once, in the first movie, and there are way too many different villains out there who haven't been covered yet for Venom to be introduced yet. My feeling is that they'll somehow twist Harry playing the part of the Hobgoblin or something like that into controlling the Sinister Six. I only say this because the Kingpin seems to have been roped into a Daredevil-only universe of movies, and unless crossover-comic-movies become the next big thing before Spider-Man 3. Who knows though? It just seems obvious that Harry is definitely going to be doing something villainous in the next movie.

Yeah, really! Wtf? All he did was ram stuff. *snicker*

Saw it yesterday. Great movie and really enjoyed it. I found that it was a lot better than the first one. His spiderman suit looked great in this one. I found that the way they introduced the next goblin as Harry Osbourne was kind of tacky. Wish they would have at least made it a bit more clever.

Really liked how the tentacles ultimately took control over Doc Oc. Was very interesting and created an multi-dimensional character. Very cool.

But other than that, thought it was a fantastic movie. Can't wait until it comes out on DVD.


One more thing, hopefully MJ is still alive and with Peter at the end of the next movie. The cartoon episodes had MJ trapped in a time travel thingy. Seems like their love would be too good to last though. But we'll see.

Yeah, I hate to break it to ya, but, they get divorced in the comics, or rather "separated", whatever. I still laugh at the fact that all the normal people in these movies are so surprised at what happens in the Marvel Universe New York, c'mon, superheroes battling supervillains oughta be a common occurrence, what with the X-Men, Spider-Man, the Fantastic Four, Daredevil, The Punisher, etc. all in the neighborhood, it should be like living next to the airport by now; disturbing at first, and now just kinda, eh, it's there. Oh well, hopefully the third one will have all the other villains in it that we hope for, except Venom, that needs to be saved for an entire movie.

well actually...

Spoiler:
a little bit ago, not sure when exactly but within the last year, J. Michael Straczynski who's working on Amazing Spider-Man had a huge buildup to issue #50 (490, renumbering).

the issue was supposed to resolve the Peter/M.J. struggles, and to make a final, momumental decision on their relationship. were they going to stay together? were they going to split up? excellent writing, i heard all the hype and started reading the backstory around issue #45. the writing's probably some, if not the best dialogue i've ever seen in a comic book. if you've ever been a Spidey fan, you owe it to yourself to check out the last issue of this arc.

this is also around the time that Aunt May finds out out that Peter is Spider-Man. Amazing how they work it out, too. Some damn good reading if you're a Spider-Man fan. It got me back into reading Spider-Man after like, years. JMS just freaking rules.

To people hoping to see Conners become the Lizard and also to people looking for Venom -- There's always Space Werewolf, which leads you down the second of those roads.

yea, the Man-Wolfe had as prominent a part in S2 as doc connors did. looks like the potentials are:

1. man-wolf
2. lizard
3. green goblin 2

John Jameson could lead us down the Venom road though. I mean, he's already been introduced, and the fact that's he's a super-duper-hero-astronaut has been explained so that's a possiblity. Hmm.

I thought it was decent. Doc Oc was cool. There was some cheese (rain drop keep falling on my head sequence) but over all good.

I just hope that the next movie isn't Harry as the Green Goblin again. (with super powers of getting drunk and slapping people).

Don't forget angst and being a whiny bitch!

Hee...

And to think I liked Harry. He's easy to watch on screen ;)

I seem to rememebr Spiderman fighting damned near every other superhero in NYC.

I'd love to see him go up against the X-Men.

Yeah, that too, a lot of the superheroes don't like him. Wolverine at first hated his guts cuz he was such a cocky bastard, not to mention the fact that he pretty much insulted mutants when he was trying to keep from becoming the mutated Spider. Human Torch hates his guts with a passion, and the rest of the FF could really care less for him. He always got off on the wrong foot with The Punisher. It took Daredevil a while to warm up to him. The Avengers didn't care for him because he was too much of a loner and wasn't a "team player". Nick Fury, well, Nick just hates everybody. The Hulk, well he's The Hulk, he smashes things. Captain America didn't really like him, mainly because he was the head of The Avengers and didn't like the way Spidey handled some things. So yeah, Spidey's not too popular with all of the public, superheroes included.

Yeah, true. But I've always thought that the FF were just a little too proper.

Nick Fury really needs some valium. ;-)

For some reason I always thought of Spidey as the ultimate hero in the Marvel universe, even though he wasn't the strongest or most powerful.
He don't have no quit in him.

Actually, Spidey is a fairly good freind of the human torch, and the rest of the FF for that matter.

Interestingly enough though, he seems to get along real well with Dr. Strange. A man of science and a man of magic working well together is interesting to me.

Anyway, I loved the movie.

I just saw it tonight and thought it was better than the first, as all my friends had hyped it up to be.

During the last part I kind of zoned out thinking about the 3rd and 4th one... there is definitely going to be Harry as Hob-goblin in the next movie. I was thinking there would also be Conners turning into Lizard. Then they would introduce Eddie Brock more in the 3rd one and have the 4th one with Venom and then Spawn. Or maybe make a 5th one with Venom and Spiderman teaming up against Spawn.

I really wish they would be able to introduce other characters like Daredevil and the Punisher but that's probably not going to happen....

edi - not spawn. carnage. the other symbiote. oops.

Hey, what about The Sandman? The Vulture?

Let's not get too ahead of ourselves on the villians, here.

I don't believe Spawn is part of Marvel, is he? And I can tell you right now that he won't be in it either way, they've already announced all the villains.

It would be cool though, just VERY unlikely.

In-fucking-credible movie.

I've been working my ass off the last two weeks and sheltered myself from all of the hype, but today I went over to the theatre and saw it.

I've never picked up a Spiderman comic in my life, but from a cinimatic standpoint what Sam Raimi has done with these characters is brilliant.

Someone at work told me the other day they didn't like it because there wasn't enought action. That's probably one of the reasons I DID like it. There was so much emotion in this movie that there were times when the whole superhero element took backstage.

Smart script, great camera work (both real and CGI) and an engaging story.

Spawn is 'Image comics' and in no way affiliated with Marvel except that McFarlane, the Spawn creator, used to draw Spider-Man around the time of Venom's first story.

Wasnt the Doctor the Peter Parker wnrt to see for his check up Doctor Blake? if so, that would be Thor

To do this story they would have to do the Secret Wars Incident. As that is wear Spidey got the suit that would eventually become Venom.

I just saw this and thought it was horrible. Some parts were so slow it was just torture to even sit and watch it.

Sorry guys, it sucked.

I saw it last night and i thought it was really cool. I'm unsure wich one i liked most, but 2 has significant more character developement, wich i liked. Maybe a bit too much of the romantic interest and too little of the friendship between Parker and 'the green goblins son'... We'll just have to check in for part 3 i guess.. And the action is, well, almost perfect. Ace film! I think even my girlfriend will like it! (going again next week....)

A while back I read that they were going to change the Eddie Brock to Venom origin by making Jameson's son go to the moon, bring back the Symbiote and become Venom. There was another story where The symbiote would return with Jameson and infect his best friend, Brock. Who knows but I sure as heck would love to see Venom in S3, he'll be pretty difficult to pull off in CG but then again we're looking at a 2007 release.

Yeah, I remember in the animated series (1990s) that John Jameson goes to some unknown meteorite searching for some kind of super-explosive rock, which, oddly enough, only has a half-life of a few days (much to the Kingpin's shagrin) and he comes upon the Symbiote there on that rock. It attatches itself to John, then Spider-Man, then Peter Parker manages to detach that shit from himself, and Eddie Brock, still stinging from his firing at the Daily Bugle, is attacked by the Symbiote, and he eventually becomes so dependent on it, that he'll die without it. Of course, a bunch of really good shit happens before then, but there's no way Venom should just have 1 movie. The 3rd should introduce Eddie Brock as a major character, and by the end of the movie, he should hate Peter Parker, then be attacked by the symbiote at the very end. That would lead to a perfect setup for Spider-man 4!

However they do it, I'd like to see Spidey in the black suit for at least a little while first, before the other guys.


I'd also like to know what the symbiote was doing in that machine on the Secret Wars planet in the first place.
Anybody speculate on that before?

Loved it...I'm a big Spidey fan [although I haven't read the comics in a long, long time] and thought it was pretty true to the character.

as for characters in the next movie. read this on www.newsaskew.com:

An interesting rumor has surfaced that Eliza Dushku, who read for the Mary Jane part in Spidey, might return in the third film as The Black Cat. Just a rumor, folks, but a neat one at that.

Oh, and by thte way if you can't get enough Spidey:
Variety reports that producer Tony Adams and Marvel Comics are looking to take the comic book-turned-hit-movie Spider-Man franchise and fashion it into a musical

Saw it last night. Pretty damn good. Very entertaining.

And Kirsten Dunst is hot. Especially as a redhead. Yum.

Saw it couple days ago. Kinda bored me. Hit the restrooms like 3x. It was drama, action, drama, action so I went to piss during the drama scenes to not miss the FX.

I don't know about Eliza Dushku. It'd be cute. But she's too moody. They should cast a lesser known actress, like Franka Potente (Blow, Run Lola Run)...

A good choice!