Lasereth

Spiderman 3 is getting terrible reviews compared to the first 2. It's barely staying above rotten on rottentomatoes.com. I think Spiderman 2 is the best comic book movie that's ever been made but I was hoping for better than a damned 30% drop on RT.

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Redjake

7/10.

All three "villains" were beyond wonderful; the movie was too convoluted, however. Sandman was so awesome he deserved to be the only villain in the movie, and it would have worked.

Some of the "Raimi tactics" were a little overboard (jazz cafe dance session, etc.) but the humor was still laugh-out-loud funny.

I'd say the movie is about on par with the first one. Spiderman 2 is still probably my favorite comic movie of all time, and it's hard to top it.

Worth seeing? Yes. Better than SP2? Not by a long shot. Needed some editing, pull out Venom or Sandman and put them in their own Spiderman movie. The movie ended up concentrating on all the wrong stuff.

The movie isn't anywhere near as bad as the reviews (as a total) are saying, but the movie definitely isn't perfect either.

It's hard to explain. During Spiderman 2, I enjoyed the ENTIRE movie; I liked the slow parts, I liked the action, I liked the drama, I liked it all. Alfred Molina was unforgettable as Doc Ock; one of the best casting jobs in years. In this movie, for some reason, I just didn't care about the drama, I just wanted it to be over so we could see more action/suspense. There was just way too much going on.

Tips to fix SP3:

1. Remove either Venom or Sandman (and insert into next movie)
2. Remove the cheesy parts that were a little too much (jazz scene, etc.)
3. Less is more with the special effects. SP2 had it nearly perfect. WAAAAY too much CGI (even though it was good CGI) in this one. Stop trying to top the predecessor!
4. Needs more real emotion, a la SP2. Acting and script in SP2 were so damn good. Each scene flowed beautifully. In SP3, many of the lines just didn't work.

Summary: Spiderman 3 is a great effort at topping SP2, but only ends up topping it in the visual effects, due to some questionable scenes and misdirection/emphasis on certain aspects in the film. 7/10.

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Halx

Spider-man 3 is.. so bad. So bad. Astonishingly bad.

This was the show "The Producers" wish they could have made.

Filled with terrible gags, shitty acting, gaping plot holes, worthless characters, fanboy fallacies, and a flock of seagulls, this was one of the worst movies ever. Like Catwoman and Batman Forever, you have to wonder how the fuck these movies get made.

Everything either fell flat or was laughably HORRIBLE. "Oh how convenient, an anatomical science experiment that you can just stumble into." "J Jonah Jameson can do physical comedy too, right?" "It's OK, Mary Jane doesn't need integrity; it doesn't allow us to tell this awful story." "So uhh, how does someone who's cool act?" "Venom's not important enough for a story, is he?" "You know, I always wanted to make a musical."

Absolute horse piss.

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Willravel

That's the best review I've seen to date. Well said.

warrrreagl

If I may interrupt.

What's really laughable is grown-ups melting down over what makes a movie seem horrible because a comic book character is less "authentic."

It's a movie.

About a comic book character.

Sheesh.

Okay, you may now resume your obligatory outrage.

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Willravel

I grew up on Spider-man. To me, the character is almost like a childhood friend. They, the Marvel writing teams, had very complex character development over decades spanning thousands of brilliant and original story lines. All the writers of the movie had to do was lift one of them. Had they used the comics like a storyboard, like Sin City, they would have had a massive hit.

guthmund

It has nothing to do with authenticity. If they had deviated, changed, modified, tweaked, undone, redone, or reworked the character, the plot...whatever, but had made a good movie....it would still be a good movie.

Spiderman 3 doesn't offend me because it's a bad Spiderman movie. It offends me because it's a bad movie, made all the worse considering the source material they had available to them.

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warrrreagl

Sorry for the poorly worded, ill-advised post, everybody.

I got a little chapped last night at a review I read where the little pimple-faced twerp suggested that anyone who liked the movie obviously didn't know anything about Spiderman.

I liked the movie a lot, and we all bought Spiderman off the rack as brand new issues in the mid-60's, so there goes that theory.

Unfortunately, the review didn't allow me to vent backwards, so I did that here instead. Bad judgement late at night.

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Halx

Did you also like Batman Forever?

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warrrreagl

I honestly can't remember that one without looking it up. I didn't really care for any of the Batman movies and they all run together. I also don't think I saw all of them, either.

But I do know that they very aspects of Spiderman 3 that seem to be generating the most intense heat (screwball comedy, dancing sequences, jazz clubs, relationships, inner struggles) are the parts I liked the most. The video game aspects of the movie are the forgettable parts to me.

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Halx

I wrote a full review here: http://www.andrewgonsalves.com/Spider-Man_3_Review.html

And you can DIGG it here:
http://www.digg.com/movies/Funny_Spider_Man_3_Review

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warrrreagl

Hal, on one thing we clearly agree - I have no standards. And my wife will back me up on that one (or is it "backhand me" on that one?).

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Pogue Mahone

My thoughts exactly. Apart from Emo Parker disco dancing, the entire jazz bar scene, generally being emo, the catastrofuck that was Venom's end, and various other scenes that made squirm in my seat (the scene between Harry and his butler, anyone?), I liked it.

If they wanted to show that Peter was being consumed by the symbiote, they should have made his overall attitude darker instead of goofier. More like the scene where he shows that Eddie Brock photoshopped the picture of Spider-Man. Just have him be an all out dick.

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Val_1

I'm avoiding Spiderman 3 simply because it seems like it's suffering from third film syndrome. Trying to stuff so much stuff into the film that the plot is nothing but a string of events. They have 3 villains, each of which are good enough to carry the film on it's own. Just a Spidey/Venom plot would be way more that enough.

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aberkok

I have two things to say:

1) Maybe, since they knew everyone would go see it anyways, they made it suck so that Fantastic Four 2 would look good by comparison.

2) Whatever we heard in the "Jazz Room," was not jazz.

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sadistikdreams

Yeah, but where can we bury it?

I haven't seen the movie yet, but I think there's a couple types of fans.
People who love Spiderman no matter what the quality of the movie is, who're just happy to see Spidey get exposure.
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People who are so elitist, that everything just has to be perfect right down to the very last inch. I really hate these people, because they don't appreciate a lot of things, and just make the filmmaker's feel like shit. To them, I have this to say: "What have you done that was so good?"

Willravel

Two problems:
1) False Choice: There are not two kinds of Spiderman fans, there are tens of thousands. I love Spiderman, and I want to see the character done justice on the big screen.
2) I'm not elitist, and had they, writers, director, marketing, etc., paid a little more attention to the comic books upon which the character was based, the movies would have been even better. I liked Spiderman. I really liked Spiderman 2. I hated Spiderman 3. The thing is, people who aren't lifelong Spiderman fans, such as myself, also think the movie was horrible. It wasn't just bad from an uberfan's perspective, but simply from a moviegoer's perspective. That should give everyone involved pause.

As to what I've done that's so good: I've written 4 books, about 30 short stories and screenplays, over 600 musical compositions, and a daughter. Of course one does not need to make movies in order to judge them, so that's really not relevant.

aberkok

That's a poor generalization which doesn't allow for any possible sophistication of opinion. So because we've never directed a film means we can't criticize?

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Willravel

sadistikdreams, seeing as you HAVEN'T SEEN THE MOVIE YET, will you come back and apologize to Halx, the owner of TFP and an all around good person, for suggesting his article should be buried once you've actually seen Spiderman 3?

Halx

sadistik, I'm not elitist, but I do have standards. The MOVIE was terrible. I was prepared to live with a few fanboy letdowns in favor of a good movie, but the whole thing stunk to high hell. I made one paragraph in the way of my fanboy wishes, and the rest was all about how bad of a MOVIE it was.

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Sadistik: I don't know shit about Spiderman or comic books in general. However, I was there and that was one terrible movie. It's hard to imagine that it wouldn't suffer in comparison or by being tied to something classic and popular like the rest of the Spiderman universe.

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sadistikdreams

See, can y'all not step back and think that, hey, maybe I'm right? That's what I mean by elitist.

Willravel

Till you've seen the movie, you're a troll. Do you know what the TFP rules say about trolls?

sadistikdreams

Wow.
Threatening.

If am I am troll, shouldnt you just ignore me? Instead, 6 posts have been made, wasting peoples time, where y'all could've just ignored me. Honestly, I think y'all have a need to argue, and point out that I'm somehow wrong. It's an opinion folks. It's subjective. Relax.

Willravel

You have an opinion about a movie you've haven't seen yet. You can't be subjective about a movie you've never seen, and it makes even less sense to judge those who have seen the movie and have subjective opinions about it. I can't speak for anyone else, but I was trying to bring that blatantly obvious fact to your attention, so you'd stop trolling.

sadistikdreams

I wasnt sharing my opinion about the movie itself.

Willravel

You were sharing your opinion of other people's opinions. The thing is, you presented a false choice (that was mildly offensive) and you have no opinion of your own to compare our opinions to because, again, you've not seen the movie

Dude, just go see the movie. Soon you'll get the idea.

sadistikdreams

Anyway, has anyone seen the new Burger King promotion?

"Which Spidey suits you?"

Black Spideman is a jerk.

Glory's Sun

I'd be interested in reading some of your work.. where can I find the books?

Willravel

I didn't say they were published. Heh. Actually none of my work has been published. I'll have to dig around and find the cd with my books on it. I know I have it at home somewhere.

biznatch

Willravel, I'd also be interested to read your books.

Anyway, I still can't decide whether to go watch the damn movie or not. My friend who has about the same amount of spidey-geekiness (and general geekiness) as me told me to download it.
I had such respect for Sam Raimi, now I'm just confused.

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Nikilidstrom

I think you guys are looking at this all wrong, from a "glass half empty" viewpoint. We should all be happy, if not amazed, that they were able to create 2 good movies in the series. Not that spiderman doesn't have enough material for 3 good movies, but because hollywood has a habit of fucking every idea up, not just comic book movies with reams upon reams of source material to pull from. So I say thank you Sam Raimi, 2 outta 3 aint half bad. But quit while you're ahead.

Willravel

Absolutely. I thought the first was okay, not great but okay. The second was great. I wish they had opened with Doc Oc. The fact that those were decent only makes the third all the worse, just like X-Men. I left thinking that was so bad they may not make another, and it's going to suck that this was how it ended.

biznatch

Yeah, it'd really suck if the third installment was the last (which might end up happening). It would leave a bad aftertaste.

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Jove

Can someone explain why all the women were attracted to Peter Parker after he started wearing the venom suit?

warrrreagl

LMAO!

Oh, where do I begin.....?

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sadistikdreams

Okay, I just got back from it, and...

It

was

awesome!

Lokus

Heh I liked how they were attracted to him after he got the suit but then when he started strutting his stuff, everyone was all "What's up with this guy?"

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analog

Everything I'm hearing is a terrible shame... Spiderman 2 was actually pretty good- better than the first, I think.

I'm seeing this supposed suck-fest tomorrow, and I'll come back to weigh in.

biznatch

I saw it. Holy Fuck. I think I really had to witness it with my own eyes. Every time someone told me it was crap, I just couldn't believe it, since the first two were too good.
I don't care if you're a spidey fan or not. I am, but even if I weren't, I'd still label it as a bad movie.
I'm glad that I didn't have to pay to see it.
Raimi, I'm sorry for this, but really, Fuck you.

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