He's just in a buffer somewhere like Big Fat Scotty was (will be?) in the future.

BTW, John Archer was only Admiral until 2169, iirc, when he started a political career (ambassador to Andoria, Earth's rep on the Federation Council, and president). The timeline wasn't changed until 2233. Maybe they just keep calling him admiral in Starfleet as a term of endearment.

I liked the crack about Archer's dog. It seemed a fitting fate for that show.

I'm going to have a second viewing tomorrow night.

Has anyone else seen it more than once? I think I'll enjoy it more this time around. As with many movies of this type, you tend to pick up on a lot more detail.

I've seen it twice. I'll go again in a week or two for a third viewing. I enjoyed the second viewing just as much as the first, though the second time I found myself slightly preoccupied with continuity issues and plot holes. It didn't change my positive opinion of the movie, though.

Speaking of, skyfire was right in post #148. I didn't notice it the first time, but I saw it as clear as day last night.

Not yet...but I am definitely going to see it again next week. *geek*

I'm off to see it again tonight, again on IMAX! I'll keep a sharp eye on the viewscreen for plot holes and temporal anomalys!

You guys are thinking about this too much. This was nothing but an action movie set in space, using Star Trek characters as a vehicle for publicity.

It was GOOD, but that's all it was.

Heretic!

Heretic needs to be burnt at the stake.

or fed into one of Scotty's long-range transporter experiments!

I also heard that Star Trek Voyager was going to be a Lost in Space remake but they couldn't acquire the rights so they replaced Dr. Smith with a Hologram and the Robot with a borg.

If Robby looked like 7 of 9, Lost in Space would have been a much more interesting show.

Agreed. It was a good Star Trek movie, in that the characters were bang on, really very well done.

However, as a movie, it's pretty forgettable. Take the Star Trek name off of it and rename all the characters yet leave everything else as is, and it would not be getting such praise.

For the inevitable sequels, they'll need to up their game, including such elements as an even slightly plausible story line and introduce a villain with a smidgen of presence.

I agree that the weakest part of this film is Nero. He didn't really make sense without a better understanding of his back story and even then, he's not really a match for Kirk and Co.

If not for his advanced tech he is nothing.

some of y'all are really picky lol

This.movie.was.AWESOME

The only complaint I had was they waited too long to bring in Scotty (he was always my fav)

The throwback references were well, well, well done IMO. LOVED the way they handled the two Spocks

Spoiler: and I loved the the way Pike was in a wheel chair (another throwback reference) when he relieved his command to Kirk. I hated they killed Spock's mother, because her parts were always some of my favorite, but in view of the new story arc I understand why they did it. Red shirts die wooohoooo. I even enjoyed the way the dude played Bones....I can take some differences on the others, but come on....Bones NEEDS to be Bones. LOVED the BF/GF angle with Spock and Uhura. Chekov was adorable...I think I have a new crush lol

After some more thought, I would agree it was good as a sci-fi action flick, but the weakest film by far yet for bearing the Star Trek name. Seemed to me like a two-part televison episode with better effects showing a parrellel timeline , and not worth waiting for this many years after Nemesis.
My first thoughts after watching this were: this broke the "curse" of the odd numbered films "sucking" by joining them (opinions will vary, I rather enjoyed them personally), the Dr. McCoy portrayal was perfect, and "so just when did Scotty lose the middle finger on his right hand?"
Any sequel based in this timeline/universe would be hard pressed to get my interest, and less likely to be anything more than a netflix rental. I would be very interested in reading the stories in a novel form though.

Finally got around to seeing it, and I'm with Shani--it was awesome. I really enjoyed the excellent ensemble acting--the whole cast was solid. Didn't care for the villain, but it didn't really matter.

I really want to go see it again but I don't know when I'll have time :(

I figured this out. The lightning storm in space they saw that Kirk recognized WAS Spock's ship coming through the black hole. While they were squabbling about command heirarchy, Spock was being picked up and marooned on the ice moon. He'd JUST come through, and that was the lightning storm anomaly they saw.

I feel like a bad trekker for not figuring this out. :sad:

Haven't been here in a while, but checked in to read what you all thought about Star Trek (though I'm surprised that there aren't more women in here!). Ktspktsp and I just got back from seeing it with my dad (who got me into TOS when I was just a wee lassie--though I really fell hardest for TNG when it came along)--AWESOME. I loved it, loved it, loved it. When Leonard Nimoy came on screen in the ice cave--I was nearly cheering out loud from my seat. Best ST movie I've seen in a loooooooooong while (though y'all are making me want to watch Wrath of Khan and First Contact again). :) I'm already scheming up ways to get ktsp dressed as the young Spock for Halloween, bwa hahah!! :) God, I miss being a ST nerd.

Just saw it. Loved it. Actually thought Bones was the best, how do you say it, resurrected character. I see McCoy through and through.

Anyhow, got to see it again. Thanks J. J., job well done.

Just saw it, this past weekend.

Questions I found myself asking, while viewing...

Spoiler: Where were Vulcan's defenses when the Romulan starship showed up and commenced to invade their air space and attack their planet with a gigantic, piercing tube that was many, many kilometers long (and thus that much exposed to attack)? Even if Vulcan's orbital defenses wouldn't have stood a chance against the advanced technology of the Romulan starship, surely Vulcan's ground forces could have cut that tube off by damaging it (if not outright destroying it) at its entry point into their planet's mantle.

Spoiler: Okay, so maybe Vulcans are such pacifists, they didn't have any orbital or ground defenses to speak of. (Although, that would be supremely stupid of them; illogical, even.) But surely the Earthlings did, when the Romulans showed up on their doorsteps to begin boring into their planet. And the Earthlings already knew how horribly cataclysmic that mantle-piercing tube could be, so they would've spared nothing to destroy it, even if that resulted in annihilating the city and the surrounding area at the point of the tube's entry.

After the second awakening, which occurred when the Kir'Shara was discovered in 2154, most Vulcans embraced pacifism as a part of their logical philosophy. As such, the Vulcan High Command, which was militaristic, was dissolved and replaced by a more science and exploration-centric governmental organization.

Even if they did have an armada, judging by how quickly the Narada destroyed the Federation fleet, they wouldn't have stood a chance.
I think you're underestimating the Narada. In the 24th century, where the Narada is from, the ship was able to take on a massive fleet of Klingon ships and really didn't have any trouble with them. It's a massive mining ship, which isn't that impressive, but it's been augmented significantly with Borg technology. I'd be willing to bet it could easily destroy the Enterprise E.

I saw it this past weekend!

I was disappointed, but it wasn't a bad movie. It just wasn't good either. I'm an average Star Trek fan, nothing major, but I did know who the cast/races were.

Unlike the people in this thread, my problems with the movie have nothing to do with the actual plot or sequences in the movie. My issues come with some of the acting, the script, and the flow of the movie.

I wasn't very engaged during this movie. The two most powerful scenes in the movie were when Nero attacked the first ship with Dad Kirk onboard and he stayed aboard while the rest evacced. That whole scene was filled with amazing cinematography and acting/writing; I felt genuine emotion during that scene. The second scene that was amazing was when they came out of warp and found the Narada over Vulcan with all the blown up starships floating in space. I loved that scene.

Kirk had a lot of backstory that didn't feel engaging at all. Driving the car off the cliff, getting into a fight at the bar, none of this was engaging. Spock, while played better than I expected, had plenty of backstory to pull viewers in but instead I found myself wondering why I didn't give a crap about him, his dad, or his mom.

Chekov was about to drive me crazy during the movie. Whoever played his character was downright annoying to me for some reason. His voice and his mannerisms combined with that forced accent was just urrrghhhh.

Scotty was way too cartoony. It's possible to have a comic relief in the movie without making him a damn cartoony caricature of himself!!!

I wasn't taken in by Old Spock either. The ice world monster chase scene was whoopdedoo, look at our CG.

Then when Kirk was taken back onboard the Enterprise and had to "make Spock mad" to get him off the bridge...again, a scene that should have had a gut wrenching effect on viewers, but instead came off as the director wanting to let fans see Spock kick some ass.

Shockwave pushing the Enterprise forward out of a black hole? Is this Independence Day 2?

I loved the action in the movie (except the hand to hand combat scene on the drill). The cinematography (if that's what you can call CG) was excellent, particularly the Starship sequences.

Captain Nero and his henchman were horrid. Nero might as well have been out of a B movie because his costume, makeup, and acting were definitely from one. His ship was particularly amazing, inside and out, and made me wish this much money could be spent on hiring a better writer for the movie.

I admit that its Tomatometer rating of 95% is accurate. Most people WILL love this movie, but if you're looking for a smart, intelligent sci-fi movie, you will have to wait for something else. This movie has huge potential and only lived up to part of it. If you think Casino Royale is one of the best Bond movies, then this movie is the Brosnan version of the 90s, while Casino Royale is where the series should be.

Overall rating 6/10. It's very slightly above average.

It was a little too over-the-top comic booky for my taste, but I think the cast was perfect, especially Kirk. It's not easy to imitate His Great William Shatner/Kirkness, but they pulled it off, classic Kirk. Spoiler: It's pretty funny that they managed to put a lot of Leonard Nimoy in but no Shatner. Who's pulling the strings in Hollywood? I still don't know WTF is up with the plot, it was an alternate timeline? I was hella blazed (not really) and that didn't help much in that one scene in the middle where they fired off a ton of pseudo-sciency time-travel explanation of what was going on. So are we going to have to suffer a bunch of future Trek series and movies in this alternate timeline? Kirk's father didn't actually die in the "Canon" timeline, am I right? Now scotty has a real scottish accent.

What I really want to see next, and I'm sure I've mentioned this before, is a movie or series set in the Star Trek universe but that is not primarily about any members of Starfleet. Maybe Picard's brother.

I heard the reason for Spoiler: Shatner's absence was due to his being pissed that his part wasn't big enough. I read they had basically a cameo for him in a memorial hologram and he wanted a bigger part.

The actor is Russian - is the accent all that forced?

It seemed to me that he had a legitimate Russian accent but perhaps the director or producers were "encouraging" him a little bit, it did sound thick to the point of being forced. But maybe he just has a really thick accent. :P

Oh I could tell he was Russian, but they definitely "encouraged" him for entertainment value. Violence when he talks. VIOLENCE!!!!!!!!!!

Saw this yesterday with my son. Freaking loved it. Some plot holes sure, and a couple of cheesy parts (ice planet chase), but it was a lot of fun and I can't wait for the next one.