Star Trek XI: The J. J. Abrams project
 

http://www.trektoday.com/news/210406_01.shtml

Star Trek: Nemesis sucked really, really badly...and I say that as a die hard Trekker who was a TNG devotee. I wasn't sure that I would ever see another Star Trek film, and now we have this.

The idea of a young Kirk has been bounced around for years, news of it popping up every now and again, but it was never given any serious thought until now. I think the idea is a stinker, but I've been wrong before (I was dead wrong about Star Trek First Contact, it was amazing). I'm crossing my fingers on this one.

That franchise is unkillable, not that Paramount will ever stop trying.

Seriously, not even J.J. Abrams is enough to revive my faith in the idea of Star Trek movies. It's so embarrassing to go to the theater and already (on opening night) be able to envision the movie playing late nights on TBS. And yet we can't help ourselves... We keep going, on the off chance that there will be another Wrath of Khan.

Hey Will, who would you cast?

I am having a hard time thinking of any actors who would not totally butcher the thing.

Trekkers are religious people. Don't fuck with their perception of the world as they see it.

Ben Afflek? Matt Damon? Christian Bale?

I vote for myself. I would totally rock.

I'd rather they didn't try to mine the past anymore. Spock and Kirk are just too iconic to recreate successfully. I'd rather they move forward in time, broaden the Trek universe, and create original stories and characters. Bring on the Enterprise-F and let's boldly go where no one has gone before.

ST needs new blood. For whatever reason Berman really tried to kill the franchise.

I think one of the problems was that TNG stars were tired of it and stopped truly caring.

As far as the series go I truly liked Voyager and Enterprise (which should have been given more time). I never liked Deepspace9 it was a horrid Babylon5 wannabe and TNG jumped the shark when they started getting too reliant on the Holodeck and there was more psychodrama then action. Psychodrama and making statements have their place but..... not every show.

I think when Roddenberry died and Berman took over he just didn't share the vision and wanted to turn Trek into his baby and forget Roddenberry.

I think this new project has possibilities, but I don't want to see it being an adult Harry Potteresque type movie.

What they should do is follow someone new through Starfleet Academy and then go from there. You could bring back some of TNG cast as professors, spend the first half showing the kid as building this "kid" as the rebel who is damn good but lives by emotion and chance. Then move him into space as the wunderkind who makes a horrid mistake and tries to save the day.

I just described Top Gun...... fuck..... what do I know.

I agree a major part of Trek's greatness was the creativity in the races and planets that they came across. Berman and company got very far away from that.

Mining the past and trying to show what Kirk and Spock did before would be a horrid happening.

Besides anyone who truly knows their Trek knows Spock and Kirk did not know each other UNTIL the Enterprise. The only person Kirk knew when he took command was "Bones" McCoy.

Plus to make Spock the same age as Kirk in this would be to thumb their nose and ignore the fact that Vulcans live much longer lives and Spock I believe was older than Jim already. Spock was very close to Cmdr. Pike as we see in "The Menagerie (or the pilot)". So how exactly would they make Kirk and Spock fellow cadets at SA and ignore the future events we already know?

The problem with the star trek franchise is they have move more and more towards action, and away from adventure. Look at star trek 9 and 10; in 9, they are defending a planet from an alien relocation/invasion, tons of action, not much adventure. Then look at 10, after the initial setup, its just one big battle. And in that setup, we have that stupid set of scenes on the planet in the buggy thing. It got my heart pumping, but it’s not the star trek genre. Also if you look at the MPAA ratings, they are slowly getting more violent over time, all are PG except first contact and nemesis. First contact was great; it built on the story, and kept to the star trek feel even though it had a lot of action. But 9 and 10 had that ‘run and gun’ feel, which is not star trek. I hope they pull the franchise back to its roots; I’d love to see a deep space 9 movie, as long as they don’t screw it up.

I thought DS9 was an excellent series once they took the reigns of the Star Trek Universe (i.e. once TNG finished it's run). Prior to that they were limited by what was happening elsewhere.

This idea has lots of potential but, like many, I am sure they will fuck it up.

I'd like to see them do an animated series (not like the original animated series). I think about series like Justice Leage Unlimited and wonder what might come out of a series that took that kind of mature approach to animation...

This sounds like an excellent idea. I don't have a particular craving for an animated version per se, but I bet the franchise could be rejuvenated through a different medium like this. An animated series would need a completely new creative team, and offer more room to push the universe's boundries in a positive way. Furthermore, the hard core fanboys might cut it some slack because it wouldn't be "real".

Given time to prove itself and establish some trek cred, it could then inspire a return to live action, either through TV or film.

Who would I cast? Unknowns. As said, ST needs fresh new faces. I mena hire trekkers, but make sure they've never been in a Trek movie or show before (no reusing actors like Ensign Roe, Tovak, etc., that was just stupid). I'd like to see a group of talented actors approach the parts not as sci-fi actors, but as dramatic actors. Part of the reason Kirk was so likeabe (besides his ridiculous overacting, which I love) was that he was a clasically trained actor. I'd like to see a darker Kirk, who is wrestling with the decision to ship off or to stay and get married (a la Generations). I'd like to see Spok just starting to deal with the dichotomy of being a vulcan and a human. Maybe we can find out why he was so bitter towards humans in the beginning.

BTW, I'd kill to play young Spock. What an awesome role. Logical. Damn logical.

Of course, this will probably be a stinker. I miss Rodenberry.

I still liked Deepspace 9 even through I do agree with you that it was a horrid Babylon 5 wannabe. Babylon 5 was truly great. Anyway, I think that yes this film will piss off the die hards, but for people like me who just like SF it might be good. I have a open mind about this, and would be interested to see it.

I'd much prefer them to forward not back. Maybe follow a young Ensign Kirk(Jim's gradson) thru the Academy or something.

Continue to boldly go where nobody has gone before!

And I don't mean brokeback Star Trek.

It'd have to be a clone. Kirks only son, Dr. David Marcus, was killed in the Wrath of Kahn and had no children. And the clone thing was already done with Picard. And the time warp kid thing was already done with Yar.

I'm a nerd.

Yea, I remember now I'm sort of junnkie too! I still watch TNG almost every day. I just have a bad memory. sad

I was just on Broadway in the middle of NYC and I saw a taxi running this headline on the sign on the roof. It was funny because it was like it was some sort of breaking news...

This prequel idea just doesn't seem like it would work. Nimoy and Shanter are too well known and too strong personalities (especially Shatner). The actors that play Kirk and Spock would be reduced to the role of celebrity impersonators. Awhile ago I thought the idea of a ST prequel sounded promising, but once I saw Enterprise! Man, what a stinker. I couldn't even bring myself to give it a second chance.

Here's an another idea I had for a ST series. It would be set concurrent with TOS aboard the USS Constellation (from The Doomsday Machine). And here's the catch: It would be based entirely off of fan submitted scripts.

I'm not sure, but I think the time traveling Nazis might have something to do with it.

wow, I am so not looking forward to seeing this. I was hoping if they did more movies they would either go with a completely new storyline, new crew or go back and do a DS9 movie since that story was left a little open ended. But doing this.... doesn't sound good.

TOS had an amazing run spanning Generations, and is still one of the most poopular science fiction franchises of all time. The movies were mostly spectacular and very entertainining. They handed off the torch to TNG in a perfect way, I think. Next Generation was perfect, with the obvious exception of the last movie which was a bigger dissapointment since the Roman Republic (why did it have to become an empire!?). I could take another TNG movie, if they could make sure to dip the writers of the last movie in boiling acid in preproduction....of course the dead Data bell can't really be unrung, even in the case of B4, so it wouldn't be the same. I loved DS9, but I felt like it ran it's course, so making a movie would only be like another Nemesis). I never really liked Voyager. There was something stale about it, even durring the last episode. I'd love Enterprise movie, as it was killed off before it's time, but I doubt the show had the following to warrent a major motion picture (it's called showBUSINESS, afer all).

That only really leaves me the option of creating a new crew, new situation, and hiring a proven writer/director/producer/scifi nut...like J.J. Abrams.

If they fuck it up, so help me god i'm going to round up some trekkies, build me a phaser and disintergrate their asses! Don't think i won't do it! I know power nerds!

The problem with enterprise was that they tried to go mainstream with it, and the simple fact is, star trek isn't mainstream, nor will it ever be. If they stuck to good old trek principles, they would have done fine. Saying that, it was actually starting to get quite good when they cancelled it. I think they spent the second season poncing around the expanse so the writers could think of good ideas.

I want a movie set after nemesis, where i can see sisko come back, and the voyager/DS9 crews bigging it up, and some cool new technology. I miss cool new technology.

This is the stupidest Star Trek idea ever. Worse than Enterprise. I can only take solace in the fact that, if it actually happens, it's just bad enough that I think even die-hard fans will think twice about seeing it. I know I will, and I consider myself to be in that category. Of course, the bittersweet thing about that is that it will mean that Paramount finally succeeded at what they've apparently been trying to do for quite some time now: kill Star Trek.

The last episode of voyager kind of messed everything up. They now have 25h century technology in the 24th century, that super ship would change the balance of power in the entire quadrant.

Season 3 was in the expanse....season 2 rocked my socks
Admiral Janeway already had her cameo."Jean Luc! How'd you like to take a trip to Romulus? All expenses paid?"
As for Sisko: arguably one of the best all around characters in the Star Trek Universe, amazing storyline with the Prophets, brilliant actor, heck of a voice.

MAYBE, we get a new class starship following the success of the Defiant, in the war against the Borg (First Contact was the best TNG film, so there is precedent). This time NO MORE TIME TRAVEL. This time we have the endgame with the that includes a full orgins story for the Borg. Captian Sisko commands a crew of favorites from TNG (Worf, O'Brian, etc.), DS9 (Bashir, whatever Dax is next, and the return of Odo!), and Voyager (Seven, Chakotay, and a guest appearence by The Doctor). It also features Captian Riker of the Titan, and Admiral Picard, who is the head of Federation Strategic Command. Here's the thing: only 2 space battles. One to demonstrate the situation between the Federation (whihc now includes the Romulans/Remans) and the Borg, and one as the climax. Other than that, we get back to the two great staples of trek: drama and science.

Just a thought.

I think that's an EXCELLENT idea....so long as it also has a little Admiral Picard and Captain Riker ;) The TNG crew *needs* to be shown moving on to the next stages in their life: be it retirement, promotion, or a new ship. It's just not right to end their voyages without doing that. And saying Data is dead and Riker/Troi are going to a different ship isn't enough. At the very least, people want to know what the heck PICARD does.

The Borg again? I don't know... It seems they muddle up their mythology a little more with every appearence. What's more to be said? I think they've gone to that well a bit too often. I got enough closure from their outings in First Contact and the finale of Voyager.

What was missing from Enterprise, and what I would like to see return, is the sense of mystery and the unknown. The notion that the universe is bizarre and exists beyond our understanding was a staple of TOS and much of TNG. Remember when a "spatial anomoly" was actually worrying, and "reversing the process" wasn't an option?

Again, I'd rather they didn't get bogged down with canon and political machinations.

Set a crew free and put them out of their depth. After all, that's what the Borg was really all about in the beginning. Introducing them just was Q's way of knocking some humility into the Federation, and reminding them that the universe does not revolve around their pesky blue marble.

What else is out there? That's what I'd like to explore.

Like I said: an orgins story for the Borg. This is something that has been avoided for a long time in order to keep the mystery. What if we finally get a full story on the Borg? What if the Borg are related to V'Ger (Star Trek: the Motion Picture)? That could create an amazing sense of connection to the whole series, and would be an really fun closing to the greatest sci-fi universe of all time.
That's why the producers did the Temporal Cold War...it changed the possible future of the Trek Universe. And that story line went over like a lead baloon.
Maybe it's time to have Q in a movie.....

This is a theory I have heard more than once, and I've always been attracted to it. Not only is it a cool explanation for the Borg (and one that makes sense)...it helps to salvage the terrible first theatrical outing of Star Trek ;)

I *LOVE* Q. But a Q movie has already been done: it was called "All Good Things..." Aside for the budget, I think everything about that episode was on par with movie theatre quality.

OK, seriously though, Q in a movie would rock. John DeLancie is incredible as Q and he works so well with Patrick Stewart. Most of the TNG movies have been about Stewart and Spiner, because they're basically the strongest actors on the regular TNG cast, so the relationship between Picard and Data was heavily developed. With Data dead, that can't be done anymore, but they could still focus on Stewart as Picard and have the same quality of acting and character relationship by bringing Q in for a movie. The Picard/Q episodes were *always* good. In fact, Q is what saved Encounter at Farpoint, because aside for that it was a pretty crappy pilot.

The trick, however, is what the hell do you do with Q in a movie? And that's why I brought up "All Good Things..." Q has put humanity on trial, Q has introduced the Federation to the most terrifying race in the galaxy, finally Q has helped Picard prevent the human race from never even coming into being. For god's sake, what more can he do?! :crazy: Any movie storyline with Q would likely pale in comparison to what has already been done in TNG.

That's a fair point. I guess before starting with a fresh crew on a new ship in open territory, we'd need a captiol hand-off. Finishing off the Borg along with the old gang does have a certain symetry.

To clarify my wishes for the broad future of the franchise, I'd like to see a return focus on exploration and brain twisting challenges, rather than de-mystifying older characters.

I'd hate to see the origins of the Borg as muddled as the rise of the Empire in Star Wars.

The idea that V'Ger and the Borg are related has been explored in a book, maybe they could expand on it.

This movie has potential, just so long as the new Kirk doesn't saunter into the realm of spoof. And I believe that Spock and Kirk were in the Academy at the same time, just not the same years.

With the way that Superman Returns is looking, with the new Supes looking very similar to Christopher Reeve, I believe they'll be able to find some good people to play everyone. I'll go see it, just because it's Star Trek, but I'm not going in with a lot of expectations.

That's been my mantra for every franchise film over the past 5 years or so. :lol:

Well I just re watched nemesis, and there are several places they could go from there, there is a lot they can do with romulan society, they were interested in a diplomatic relationship. And data may not be as dead as you think, data was copied into the drone that looks like data, and at the end the drone is singing, Geordie did say it may take a while for the drone to process all the information. if nothing else they can open at his funeral.

The reason I want Sisko to be the Cap against the Borg is that he lost his wife, Jake's mother, to the Borg at the Battle of Wolf 359 and he has extensive military experience from the Dominion War. He seems like the logical choice.

But Sisko no longer exist in the real world, he is part of the wormhole now, as far as everyone else knows he is dead. I did like him though, but he is not really a ships captain, although he does command the defiant, he is a much better station commander.

Well up until Nemesis we all thought Wes Crusher was with the Traveler learning about metaphysics....suddenly he's back at Riker and Troi's wedding.

If you want a decent explaination: Sisko is the emissary, right? Well, the function of an emissary is to be an agent sent on a mission to represent or advance the interests of another. Sisko can't be a representative of the Prophets if he's chillin in the Worm Hole. Perhaps the function of Sisko being in the Celstial Temple was to meditate on what had happened over the course of the series; everything from his wifes death and his being Commander/Captian during an interstellar war to being a religious figure and reconciling that with his responsibilites both to the Bajorans and to Starfleet. After he chilled and reflected, he returned...as a matter of fact, that would be a great place to start the film. He returns to DS9 from spending a year long hiatus on Bajor with the new Kai in a religious reformation. Sisko comes back fresh and ready for adventure.

I would say if they can make another Star Trek movie as good as Wrath of Khan, Undiscovered Country, and First Contact, which is a tall order, then I'll be very happy and surprised... mostly surprised.

I've been thinking about this one a bit and I've come up with an idea. Q explored humanity in it's rpesent state, and then visited humanity at it's beginning...why not make use of the future of mankind? Several times Q made mention of our 'potential', the fact that we, despite our nature, are evolving and growing and exploring. Picard always regarded Q's interest in humanity as more than just trivial: Q knows where we are going, and there is something of great significance to our future. A movie in which the crew of TNG explores that next step has all the potential of the Original Series. It's about disovering and exploring the unknown.

Maybe we finally find out if the Q are actually humans.

lol we are such nerds... I can just see the writers looking at this thread and going, 'hey that’s better than what we've got' and yes I did just notice that Wesley was in the wedding, I too thought he was with the traveler, hmmm, maybe he stopped by for the wedding. But yes it could start that way and I would watch. I always thought that the emissary was created by the profits for the role he played, and nothing more, after his mission of bringing salvation to the Bajorans people he was called back to the celestial temple. If they do I’d be curious if they bring Odo back or not, and what happens to Kira after they broke up.

One thing that I have not seen brought up yet is the Breen; it would be a new race that has had very little interaction before. It would give a fresh start with some old characters and allow for new ones.

Thats how much of an impression season two and three made on me :lol:

IMO, they can't do the borg again as a serious threat for the next movie or two, its a story line beaten so far around the bush that it just doesn't work. They've had one movie, half of voyager, a boat load of sisko, TNG and some enterpise, and argubly TMP, its overdone.

I think we should have some clean-up story after the dominion war. Maybe some jem-hadar decided they didn't like the outcome, broke from the founders and decided to come back and cause some general mayhem in the alpha quadrant.

We get the return of sisko, and the almost obliteration of earth until voyager comes in with her transphasic torpedoes and gives the bad guys the 'if u is tinkin' u is comin' into me 'ome and blapsin' me stuff, u is gona get so bashed up back, u is not knowin' wat is 'ittin u, innit choclatey?' :p

OH THANK GOD. So the whole storyline is unconfirmed at this point, which means that all the "Matt Damon/Ben Afleck" BS was just that...BS. I'm still rooting for a Borg orgin story that has characters from all 5 series and has an honest to goodness conclusion. Star Trek is a phwenom that needs to end with a bang, not a ship collision and a whimper.

They need to bring out the DS9 and VOY casts, theres plenty more movies in those two.

Re-imaging the OS cast? Good call if they don't.

The problem with prequels is that the characters are already defined. We know their ulitmate fate, so there's not much they can do storywise. The Star Trek universe is even more so. The fans know the timelines. It's too well defined. The writers would be working within and incredibly small box as far as what they could write. I would think it would be best to let ST be.

need a star trek fix?

for those old schoolers...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_New_Voyages

http://www.startreknewvoyages.com/

for those Next Generaton Junkies...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_Hidden_Frontier

http://www.hiddenfrontier.org/

Star Trek versus Star Wars

enjoy!



-Mav

They had the poster at Comic Con.

http://trekweb.com/images/stories/44c24d4d9328c-1.jpg

Aparently, Paramount jumped the gun in the first article and J.J. Abrams did not commit to the project until this last Friday. Unfortunately, the project will still center around the Starfleet Cadet meeting of Kirk and Spock.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/...188c7f10902b44

I must say that I am not a fan of Lost, at all, and I think that revisitng Kirk and Spock is a step in the wrong direction. I will see the movie, of course, but I don't see myself liking it. If the Others are controlling Starfleet from behind the scenes and a wild boar tells Kirk to say "the world will end" at the beginning of each Capitan's Log or the Enterprise will explode, I'll eat Abrams alive (or put an explosive in his head a la Mission Impossible 3).

I believe that as soon as Ronald D. Moore left the Star Trek universe, things started going down hill. Manny Coto, writer for Enterprise, was an exceptional talent, but was bogged down by Berman until it was too late. If a Star Trek movie is to succeed again, we need Moore back with the help of Manny Coto.

ugh, we need to get together starfleet, raid nBSG and steal their writers and tyllium!

Star Trek movie
 

Obviously, I don't pay attention since this thread is so long and I missed it.

I just found out today that they were making a movie because I caught Matt Damon's name. I find that interesting and wonder if they're trying to get new people interested by using big stars like that. I'm interested again...*shrug*

I would get back into star trek to watch Matt Damon. I know, I'm not a full fledged Trekkie. But I'm one of the only people i know that liked the first and second season of TNG more than the others. :)

Will this be an even- or odd-numbered Trek? This is important to know.

This will be odd numbered. The last one, Nemisis was #10.

So it's safe to assume that the odd numbered curse will apply.

I doubt many trekkers really want to snatch Ron Moore back from BSG.

Odd-numbered Trek? It's gonna be two thumbs down.

Didn't someone announce (or let slip) at Comic Con that Zachary Quinto of Heroes fame is going to be playing Spock? I like the actor, but I don't know if he would be a good Spock or not. He can pretty much pull off the look, though.

Edti: Well I guess its on IMDB now that he is going to be Spock.

WTF?

Secret, where did you get that quote from?

Abrams comments don't exactly do a lot to inspire faith and if his version of Star Trek is anything like Cloverfield, I'll never go see it.

I suddenly got a flash of Kirk taking the boots off a dead Scotty and Sulu smiles with an orange in his mouth.

/Lost

I got it from trektoday.com, and I agree with you. Though, I know I'll go see it either way...I'm just hoping that I'll also like it.

/sigh

Actually, I'm sure I'll be in the same boat as you. I'll go see it and pray it's good. Perhaps the odd number curse won't apply.

One side note: anyone know the reason they're messing with the Kirk era instead of doing a Deep Space Nine or Voyager movie? I'd kill for a DS9 movie, but it'd have to feature Jadzia Dax (Terry Farrell) instead of Ezri Dax.

Paramount, et al, believe (incorrectly) that they need to either a) return to Star Trek's "roots," or b) "restart" the franchise. The possibility that there was nothing particularly wrong with the Star Trek brand, just that the market was oversaturated - that's not something they can comprehend. I've said for years now that a good compromise would have been to make a movie using the U.S.S. Titan. You have some familiar crew members, but also an ability to introduce new crew members and create a new and exciting environment in the movie. Instead, they're doing....this.

And I'm pretty positive one of the big reasons Star Trek X wasn't very good is because the person at the helm was proud of the fact he knew next to nothing about Star Trek (and ignored the cast when they tried to point out that something didn't make sense). Clearly, if Abrams is flaunting that he wasn't a fan, the studios have not learned.

The blame for this lies in Batman Begins, Casino Royale, etc. They assume that because these restarts actually managed to be succesful, ALL restarts will be. I'm sure you and I agree that while they were both undoubtedly successful and deserved their success, the success itself cannot be attributed to the reboot, but other factors.

While I can appreciate that a restart could be successful... well the end of the Star Trek universe is, for the time being, Nemesis (ST 10). That just doesn't sit right with me. As a matter of fact, it pisses me off.

I'd kill to see Titan (so long as Franks isn't all doughy and they stop pretending Marina is in her 20s).
I'm still working under the impression that Nemesis was actually a propaganda piece for the Dominion in order to get the Jem'Hadar pissed and ready to take Betezed or Risa.

What I'm hoping is that Abrams is surrounding himself with nerds not unlike myself so that he can simply have access to correct canon. Shit, I'll volunteer to keep him up on Enterprise canon, which is likely to be important as this is the first part of Star Trek that's been made after it.

Here is a teaser on Youtube.......



Looks like the real deal.

(Very American with the historical references in the background (what, no Yuri Gagarin, or Sergey Korolyov, or Wherner Von Braun).

Not scheduled for release until May 2009 now I read....

High quality here:
http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/startrek/

It looks pretty. Definite visual appeal, high quality effects. I can't say much else. It gives no clue as to how the movie will actually be...but at least it will be pretty.

The thing that I don't get about that teaser is how is it that they are still arc welding in the 24'th century?

And still using steel for that matter.

Details details I know.

They're phaser arc welders.

Here is a really crappy version of the trailer that will officially be released this Monday for Star Trek!

TrailerSpy - Star Trek Trailer (Bootleg)

I saw the trailer Friday, when I went to see the new Bond flick with my boyz: it looks...interesting. It definitely doesn't look like any other Star Trek film.

I'll go see it. On the one hand, I can't rule out it being cool. On the other, while the trailer was interesting, it also kind of looked like the world's most expensive fan film....

I think trying to reboot the Trek franchise by re-casting the original series cast is fundamentally a bad idea. I think the Trek universe is has become too complex and interwoven to support this kind of reboot.

I think it would have been much smarter to try something more akin to the franchise re-start they did when they first invented Next Generation. But rather than another TV series-- hopefully they'd have learned their lesson about prequels, but even if they just did "Star Trek: The Generation After That One"-- do a starter movie, to catch people's interest.

My idea: all new characters, new ship, same Trek universe, but set like 200 or 300 years after the Next Gen serieses. You could completely re-set the balances of power, who the major power players are in the Galaxy, what enemies have come and gone and are still a threat, and you could do amazing projections of where the Trek technology might have gone, given a couple centuries of furious advancement.... You could even darken it up a little, like they did for the last few seasons of DS9. Do a movie or two like this, and if it takes a following, spin off a series.

But this notion that you can just reboot the old Kirk-Spock-McCoy franchise with new actors.... I don't think this will work. Trek is not literature, where characters are originally just words, waiting for someone, anyone, to give them life and form. Trek began in visual form, and those characters are too firmly bonded to the images of the original actors. The characters are too deeply built on the devices of the actors. No character bio called for the Vulcan split-finger salute or the Vulcan neck pinch: Nimoy invented them. Likewise, everyone knows Kirk is emotional and tends to over-enunciate when stressed: that comes only from Shatner being an overactor, and tending to over-enunciate when stressed.

This is just not a good idea.

I'm cautiously optimistic, but I agree that it's not a good idea to reboot something as big as Star Trek. It could work, but then again you know it's not going to be cannon and it's going to piss off a lot of people.

Personally, I still want a final TNG movie, something written by Ronald D. Moore, so that we can all forget about Nemesis and get honest closure. And for God's sake let Dennis McCarthy (TNG, Generations, DS9, Voyager, Enterprise) do the score. The man knows what Star Trek should sound like.

I'm keeping an open mind and like Will, am cautiously optimistic. I like JJ Abrahms work and based on an interview with the Writers in Wired Magazine, it's in good hands.

If Paramount is unwilling to put together the best of the original production teams (for whatever stupid reasons) by all means let's start fresh.

The only element I'm struggling with is how young the cast is. I'm used to Trek crews being stately and experienced. I want Kirk's cockiness to have been earned and not just a factor of youth. This is the angle I really hope the producers have a handle on.

I'm now limiting how much I read about the movie ahead of time so I don't build up unreasonable expectations and it isn't too spoiled.

That said, here's the Wired interview with the writers: http://blog.wired.com/underwire/2008...rek-write.html

I agree 100% with levite. I'll see the movie, cause I'm pathetic and it's Star Trek, but the trailer did not fill me with optimism at all.

I just saw the trailer when i saw Quantum of Solace, and it kicked ass!

The Next Generation stands in my eyes as one of the finest TV series ever written.

Watching the trailer, it is either going to be freakin awesome or so bad it will be stricken from canon.

Trailer 2!
Apple - Trailers - Star Trek - Trailer 2 - Large

(not sure how/if I can embed this)

Finally saw the most recent trailer and I have to agree with Stevie, though I'm still optimistic.




And another random video I found on youtube.

lmfao at that last clip :D

I'll see it and I'll probably like it, but I agree that I would have liked to have seen them go 400 years into the future and see what they can come up with.

Trailer did not do a whole lot for me. But man am I ever excited for this!

New trailer up! It's much more promising than the first one IMHO.

The new trailer is pretty good. I am somewhat excited for this. I am a huge TNG fan but this is obviously nothing like TNG. I do love the look and feel of the movie though.

Omi-frakin-God, this movie is going to rock!

I was pissed they were doing a reboot at first, but it's not a reboot so I'm not pissed.

Check out the HD trailer here: Apple - Movie Trailers - Star Trek

Gotta love 1080p!

Yes, that's exactly right.

Wow! That second trailer rocks. This looks likes its going to be good!

Just going through the cast list. They got quite a few names in there.

Winona Ryder is playing Amanda Grayson (Spock's mom).
Eric Bana
Karl urban
Simon Pegg
and quite a few other recognizable names.

I saw a couple Star Trek episodes, with a friend who's obsessed by it. Some of it is OK. But I think they have enough of a real fanbase to make a killing in theaters, and it seems like a fun movie.

Meaning that it's Spoiler: really a reboot. $100 says they take the parallel timeline and go with it for future movies. They're just playing semantics because they think Trek fans are morons - and apparently a lot of them are. I won't lie, I'm going to see it in the theatre, and I may even enjoy it as a space action movie, but I don't expect to like it as a Star Trek movie.

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Spoiler: Based on what I know, saying this Star Trek movie isn't a reboot is like saying Sci-Fi's Battlestar Galactica wasn't a reimagining because "all of this has happened before and it will all happen again."

According to Moore, his BSG was a "reimagining", and by my understanding Kobol was the source of the human life that eventually populated the 12 Colonies. There's no mention made of BSG 1979 and BSG 2004 existing in the same reality. Even taking into account the cyclic model of the big bang.

This Star Trek movie, on the other hand, is technically a sequel to Nemesis. You just need to look at it 4-dimensionally. It's not a chronological sequel, it's a new kind of sequel which takes into account time travel.

Will, that's my point, BSG *is* a reimagining, and ST:XI *is* a reboot. They can make up all the ridiculous explanations they want, but the end result will be the same: a new series of movies that don't have any particular ties to past Star Trek. Call it a Spoiler: parallel timeline all you want, but it's still a reboot if they do it for more than one movie, and you can bet they will. Not only that, but I doubt they will ever go back to the Spoiler: "timeline" that the rest of Star Trek has taken place in. Search your feelings. You know it to be true.

I don't know if "reboot" is the right name for it, though. The first scenes in Star Trek Spoiler: take place at least 10 years after Nemesis, with Spock and the Romulan/Vulcan peace process, so at least part of the movie isn't a reboot.

If they're smart, they'll go with the time stream theory of time travel, so that all of the wonderful storys in TNG, DS9, and Ent aren't negated, but simply took place in a different time stream that still exists.

Yes, a time stream which they'll never touch again while focusing on an entirely new time stream. Like I said, that's a reboot regardless of how they explain it away.

It's very good, and this is coming from a pretty serious Trek fan.

That said Spoiler: everything that Captain Archer did to bring about the reformation on Vulcan seems to have been for not. Vulcan gets destroyed, and there aren't but a few Vulcans left that were off world at the time. The true teachings of Surok, the father of Vulcan logic, will likely be lost by the time this time line's Picard comes along.

They really, really fuck over the time line in a way that cannot be fixed. I'm concerned about where this goes next because there's a real possibility that it could become a bastardization of what we all know instead of a respectful reimagining.

This reader's review at the New York Times put a grin on my face...

http://movies.nytimes.com/2009/05/08/movies/08trek.html

:thumbsup:

Roger Ebert gave it a negative review and he is usually spot on about sci-fi movies, comic movies, etc. Rotten Tomatoes has it at an astounding 96% though so who knows if it's a truly good movie, or if it's simply very entertaining in a theater (which is what most people review movies by...their theater experience, not the quality of the movie).

Like I said, it's very good. Honestly, it's one of the best Star Trek movies, if not the best. There are certainly things to nitpick, but it's Star Trek; there are always things to nitpick.

To be fair, Ebert didn't really give the movie a negative review. He gave it an "it's okay" review. RT just lumps everything as Pass/Fail, Ebert gave it 2.5/4 stars which they consider rotten.

This is why I prefer Metacritic, in which case Ebert's review is 63%, which is a "pass" (but just barely).

Ebert is like McCain, he's sooo out of touch. He is reliable to give unabased opinion about movies as using dental floss to catch a whale.

The movie rocked. Period.

I agree 100%! And complain about the Spoiler: alternate timeline/universe all you want but they did it really well. It had enough to pander to the hardcore trekkies and to bring in a whole new crowd. Isn't it better that they did it like this than try to pull something like the star wars prequels? Imagine how pissed everyone would be if they fucked up the prime universe of TOS and TNG et al.?

(wow... how did that happen...lol)

Ok, I saw Star Trek tonight! I actually liked it. Total departure from every other ST film, but I think it will stand on it's own and be one of the best.

Um... no Crack. This thread is about Star Trek (2009).