Did anyone else catch it: Spoiler: out of red, blue, and yellow, red shirts die first.

Of course! It wouldn't be Star Trek without that.

yeah I enjoyed that, along with Kirk Spoiler: hooking up with a green alien woman There were a lot of nice throwbacks.

Spoiler: That was model/actress Rachel Nichols as an Orion Slave Girl. I think if Star Trek had one flaw, it was that it wasn't just 2 solid hours of Orion Slave Girls.

Argh! Out come the spoiler tags!

aberkok and I are set to see this tomorrow afternoon. I'm really looking forward to it.

Saw it yesterday and thought it was great.

The film is a reboot (even if they say it isn't) but I don't care. I'd love to see this new crew carry on with new adventures.

I saw it yesterday too, in the IMAX theatre, no less, which really put it over the top. I don't care about the re-imagining of the whole thing, it totally rocked from the get go.

I saw 'it' last night. Mostly very awesome. I'm never going back to the IMAX I saw it at again, though - there was *crap* all over the picture, including at one point a freaking *hair* we could see wiggling around in front of the picture. Really detracted from the overall experience.

I'm just gonna spoiler the rest of my comments, in case anyone who hasn't seen it yet is dumb enough to read this thread. :-)

Spoiler:
Liked:

o The way the cast worked together. Didn't seem very forced at all.
- Uhuru and Spock making out - awesome! Especially since the made Ururu more of a geek gurl than shown in TOS.
- Spock losing his temper was awesome.
- Kirk + McCoy working together was good.
- Old spock was awesome.
- They included Sulu and Chekov very nicely...the sword was a little cheesy, especially how Sulu said that he had learned 'fencing', and that was *not* a fencing sword, it was a katana, or similar. 'Wictor' - awesome.
- Red shirt buys it. Awesome.
o The villain was pretty good - I liked how he was 'working class' in a lot of ways - like how he talked to Captain Pike...when they hailed each other. I can't remember the exact words, but it was well done.
o I liked the 'Red matter' concept - pretty cheesy in a way, but they didn't try to over-explain it or anything. It just was what it was.
o I loved the way they handled the alternate-universe thing. Very well-done, I thought. Gives them a great way to explore the characters and universe in a different setting.
o Loved all the little nods to TOS. I probably missed many of them, but those that I saw were cool.
o I expected them to go back in time or something to save Vulcan, but I liked that they didn't. That's a *huge* change. Wow.

Didn't like:
o The biggest thing that bothered me was the silliness with the ice planet - and there was lots of it.
- Why would spock toss kirk on a frozen rock to begin with? Instead of, you know, the brig. I can maybe see that he was worried that McCoy or someone else would let him free again...but if he was afraid of McCoy doing that, then he could have brigged them both. You could also argue that he was showing signs of emotional loss of control over the loss of his planet/mother.
- The chased-by-monsters scene was cute, but a little too cute for my taste.
- The thing that really, really bothered me - Kirk just happens to run into the cave where old-spock is hanging out. Beyond improbable. Surely they could have set this up better.
o I would've liked maybe a little more homage to the original score.
o There wasn't quite enough 'Enterprise-pr0n' for my taste - there were some wide shots, and some very tight shots, and of course lots of action shots, but I really wanted just a nice 'look at me!' flyover of The Ship.
o Minor nits:
- They made a big deal about how hard it was to transport someone that was in motion with Kirk & Sulu, but then didn't have a problem with spock as he was ramming the mining ship, even though he would've been moving *much* faster.
- The supernova that 'threatened the galaxy' and then 'unexpectedly' toasted Romulus wasn't very clear at all. Hypothetically a big enough supernova could threaten large parts of the galaxy, but there would be plenty of time to know when and what it was going to hit - the fastest it could spread would be the speed of light, and warp drive is much faster.
- Speaking of speed, warp drive is obviously very fast, but it seemed like they got from place to place in just a few minutes. That doesn't seem to jive with the other info, or with what makes sense - otoh, the whole series has had lots of problems with exactly how fast warp drive is, so they get a pass on this one.
- How close to vulcan was the ice planet? If it was further than the same solar system as vulcan, then that doesn't make sense either.
- Ok, ok, this is petty, but when Scotty was trapped in the water-pipe thing, and kirk released him, not nearly enough water came with him, even if the hatch closed pretty quickly. I know, minor.

Just a few small things, as I'm a massive nerd.
Spoiler: The ice planet is one of the moons of Vulcan. It's within visual distance from the planet, and it's the only place to drop off Kirk before warping to the fleet. It's also the perfect vantage point for old Spock to see Vulcan destroyed. It's not totally uncoincidental, I'll admit, but I can buy it. I just wish they would have made the location more clear.

Warp is s(w) = w3c, so warp 1 is the speed of light, warp 2 is 8 times the speed of light, warp 3 is 27 times the speed of light, warp 4 is 64 times the speed of light, and warp 5 is 125 times the speed of light. If I remember my Star Trek correctly, the NCC-1701 had a cruising speed of warp 6 (216 times the speed of light) and a maximum speed of warp 9 (729 times the speed of light). Vulcan is about 16 light years from Earth. If my math is right, that's about a 12 hour trip at maximum warp. I know you give them a pass, but I pretended you didn't so I could nerd out.

You're totally right about making the backstory more clear. If you want, I can email you a copy of the prequel comic books that lead to the movie. They fill in the blanks quite well.

I'll take the comics! :thumbsup:

So, wait. Star Wars and Star Trek aren't the same thing?

Spoiler: remember the first transport when sulu and kirk were falling was before old spock came and gave them scotty's formula for transporting people to and (I imagine) from moving objects.

I vote Wil scans the comics and posts them here!

Just back from the cinema.

It was bloody good. :thumbsup:

Oops, I skipped a step in my maths. It should take about 8 days to travel from Earth to Vulcan at maximum warp for the NCC-1701, warp 9.

I liked it. I liked it a lot.

I was satisfied with both the casting and their performances. I'm now looking forward to their continuing voyages.

The Google agrees with your math. I tried "16 light years / warp 9" but calculator did not recognize it. Pity.

The only little thing I didn't love was Nero. He could have been fleshed out a bit more. I know they had a lot to do in the film, what with introducing all the characters and setting everything up, but I really would have liked a little more back story or face time with Nero. He was no Khan... but then who is?

I still think this rates just behind Wrath of Khan as the second best Star Trek film.

I saw it Thursday night and was mighty impressed. What a fun ride. So far, my biggest disappointment is the fact that it didn't best Wolverine for opening weekend dollars.

It was apparent that there were huge fans of TOS involved, from the red shirt, to the Romulan phaser, to the voice of the computer.

As far as the Kirk/Sulu beam versus Spock beam, I took it to be a mater of relative speed. I reasoned that 2 separate bodies would be harder to track and lock on than one in a stable body ( the ship.

If that sounds weird, I just wanted to be vague as opposed to using spoiler tags.

So I saw it last night.

Without going too much into spoiler territory, I was surprised at how much it didn't suck. I was very, very prepared to hate this movie, and I didn't.

The particular story device they used in order to facilitate the reboot was, IMO, the only one possible for them to use in order to make it work, and they did it about as creditably as anyone could have hoped, I think.

I still think the choice to reboot the franchise by taking it backward was a poor choice. I still think it would've been better to maintain continuity and taken the Trek universe forward several hundred years.

That said, I was very pleasantly surprised at how much I enjoyed watching this, once it became clear what they were doing and how they chose to do it.

Was it a perfect movie? No. Could I have made a better Trek movie, given the power and the money? Maybe. But it was shockingly watchable, and not in any way a waste of two hours.

I even find myself looking forward to the next one....

Good for an yet altnernate universe story, but I was far from impressed and was hoping (but not expecting much) for a story that would actually fill in details from the TOS characters backstory and fit nicely with the series. I would give it 1.5/2 out of 5 mainly for visuals and excellent character portrayals.

Karl Urban fucking channeled DeForest Kelly. Zachary Quinto didn't once make me expect he was going to saw anyone's head open with his finger (though his vulcan salute needs work--evidently they superglued his hand into position for that shot). Simon Pegg is my fucking hero.

A few technical things:

Spoiler: First: You don't build a starship on the FUCKING GROUND. You build a starship in orbit. The first Enterprise was built at San Fransisco Shipyards, in earth orbit. Most other ships (including all of the major ones from the Next Generation-era shows) were built at Utopia Planitia, which orbits Mars. I know this reboot doesn't necessarily hold to "canon", but just logistically, how the hell are you going to build this thing on the FUCKING GROUND?? Gravity just makes it that much harder. You really want to do the work to heave the damn warp nacelles up in the air to attach them? I don't think so.

Second: You go through a black hole once, you time travel. You go through a second time and you're destroyed. N-kay.

A matter/antimatter explosion will NOT squirt a starship out like a watermelon seed. Sorry.

Spoiler: The ship on the ground being built in Iowa as Kirk stares longingly wasn't necessarily the Enterprise. IIRC, they build the prototype of each class of ship on Earth because it's not simply an assembly line type of operation. It could have been the USS Constitution, which was launched in 2244, a year before the Enterprise was built in orbit at the SF Fleet Yards. Kirk was in Starfleet for 3 years.

The black hole essentially negated warp drive as it was warping space the same way a warp drive might, so they needed a more traditional method of propulsion. Also, if you remember from Star Trek Insurrection, ejecting the core and detonating it is the ultimate dues ex machina in the Trek Universe. It can literally do anything you need it to do.

Spoiler: I took it that the attacks from Spock's ship and the Enterprise really messed up the Narada, but the red matter made the Narada into the black hole, consuming the ship in much the same way Vulcan was consumed. Being destroyed by the singularity rather than flying through it.

But that's just my take.

Spoiler: I still take issue with it. No starship builder in their right mind would even assemble a prototype at the bottom of a gravity well. It just makes no sense--in earth gravity, you've got to build a structure to withstand gravity. You're not building a ship, you're building a building.

Deus ex machina irritates me even when the ancient Greeks do it. Spoiler: Never mind that you can't fly through a singularity and survive. It's Trek-consistent, but it's bad science. There's no "flying through". Whatever passes the event horizon is consumed and never heard from again. Even information can't escape.

Oh also: Spoiler: I wanted the Spock/Uhura romance explained by a change in the timeline too. I liked it, but it's a pretty significant alteration of events, and I would have liked some sort of hint of how that happened, when there wasn't even a whiff of it in the "original" timeline.

Don't get me wrong, I really REALLY enjoyed it. And on some level it wouldn't be Star Trek without technical quibbles about the science of the thing.

Having never seen ANY Star Trek films before this one, I thought it was really good! I've always been a Simon Pegg fan and I thought he was great. How did his Scotty hold up for you die hards?

Looking forward to the next one...

Very VERY well. He didn't mimic Jimmy Doohan the way Karl Urban did DeForest Kelley, rather he made Scotty his own, and imbued him with a youthful energy and exuberance that was just excellent. You can totally see the older-and-mellower Scotty from the series evolving out of Pegg's character. Scotty was one of the highlights of the film.

Spoiler: Voyager landed on a planet several times. I'm not saying that a Constellation class of ship would regularly be landing, as they have transporters and shuttles, but in an emergency it makes sense to have that basic ability. Sure, we're talking about a few million metric tons of pressure on the bottom of the ship (presumably), but it's the future, damn it!
Spoiler: Well the black that Spock and the Narada went through wasn't simply your run of the mill singularity, it was a singularity that was also gobbling up some special kind of supernova. The normal physical laws may not have applied under the special circumstances.
Spoiler: It's entirely possible that Spock and Uhuru did have a relationship before the original events of TOS, but because Spock ended up choosing his Vulcan side eventually they broke it off some time before the 5 year mission. They may have been on track to break it off in this alternate reality, but the destruction of Vulcan and the introduction of old Spock lead Spock v2.0 to embrace his human side more may lead him to embrace a relationship with a human, not to mention the heart to heart he had with Sarek about Sarek's love for Spock's mother may have lead him to understand that one may supplement a life without emotion with a deep love for a hot human woman. I myself plan on bagging myself a hot human woman in the future.

I'm ditching some spoiler tags on things that aren't actually spoilers.

The only time the Enterprise was on a planet that I can think of was the saucer section crash landing in Generations. Voyager is a much different class of ship--my assumption is that Enterprise was never built for landing.

Spoiler: Not if you ask a physicist. I mean, yeah, you can do the Trek sciency handwaving thing, but... I get tetchy about any scifi that has anybody "fly through" a black hole. You're stretched infinitely thin along the axis that runs toward and away from the singularity quite a while before you actually hit the event horizon, for one thing. And I don't mean space-time bends with you in it: you're PHYSICALLY squeezed and stretched. Unsurvivably so.

Spoiler: Well, sure, something like that. I'm just wishing the movie had given us that, rather than us having to make something up. It's the only character-based loose end they left loose.

I didn't realize until the ending credits that Damon Lindelof produced on this show. JJ brought a bunch of LOSTies over, didn't he? I recognized the score as Michael Giacchino, who Abrams uses on everything. I wish there had been a little more nodding to the original soundtrack and sfx. The few times they did that were great.

I dunno. If I were building a space-ship, I'd design it to land in an emergency, but that's just me. And the ship is friggin huge, which would make landing it very difficult even with super propulsion.
Spoiler: If I'm remembering the comic correctly, the real noddle-scratcher is the exponential supernova that destroys Romulus. The Hobus star went nova, but when it came into contact with other matter, such as asteroids, planets and other stars, it somehow converted their matter to energy. Which is insane. That's not how science works at all. Basically, all I'm saying is that until we understand what the heck was going on with the Hobus star, we can't speculate to the physical forces involved in the Narada and the Jellyfish time traveling.
Agreed.
I almost hate to say this, but the soundtrack was really poor. I adored Giacchino's score to Alias, and his scoring for The Incredibles demonstrated that he was ready for full movie scoring, but Star Trek was really, really bad. It was distracting. I know that not one person alive today could really reproduce the level of quality that Goldsmith brought to the franchise, but Dennis McCarthy would have been just fine. I know JJ Abrams likes to carry around his posse with him, but he shouldn't assign his people rolls they're not able to fill.

I like Neil Tyson's explanation that the gravitational forces at your feet is a lot stronger than the forces at your head and those tidal forces pretty much bisect you over and over again until you are basically a stream of atoms heading towards the singularity. that would suck...haha

Maybe that loose end will be tied up in future movies?

Didn't Nurse Chapel always have the hots for Spock in TOS?

and while I love a good geek out on your sci-fi theory as much as the next nerd, I think you guys are going a little overboard on the whole "black hole as time travel" phenomenon. Especially when you consider that Warp drive is a theoretical impossibility according to Einstein.

Yep. I wonder if we'll get to see a new incarnation of Nurse Chapel in the next Star Trek film.

I enjoyed the hell out of it. You always had a sense that Scotty had some rough edges, and this let them come out. Made much more of his personality than previous editions.

Star Trek has always been about the story, and this was a fun story, and well told.

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If I'm not mistaken, Majel Barrett did the voice of the computer in the new film, just before her death.

I mean a gorgeous, blonde haired, fair eyed, lieutenant junior grade nurse that develops a deep infatuation for Mr. Spock (and friendship with Uhura... that'd be interesting in this incarnation) but moreover really adds a different dimension to the cast.

If my inner geekslopedia remembers correctly, the whole reason Roddenberry had a transporter was planet landings would be too expensive to film.

yeah, but that was in the days before CGI when everything was held up on wires

I liked that it was a surprise without much explaining. The audience is supposed to be in Kirk's shoes here and we have to accept it just like Kirk did in that little scene in the Transporter room.

Moreover, I think it was a tonge-in-cheek salute to all the trek "Slash" fan fiction that's out there.

You know what small detail I really liked? The sound the ships made when they hit warp speed: BOOM!

I liked that the ship had an actual throttle to go to warp! Gives new meaning to putting the hammer down!

I was very pleasantly surprised. Excellent job casting, a good story, well acted. I'm not an enormous ST nerd, so I can't say much for authenticity or where this will put them going forward, but my wife and I would definitely see more voyages of this starship, Enterprise.

I tohught it was a better watch than Wolverine, and an acceptable refhreshing of the Franchise. The cast was ok, and Karl Urban was excellent. I rate him as the best thing about the reboot.

Things that bugged me:

Spoiler:
1. The time-travel storyline. Ever since Brannon Braga started Star Trek down this road , the Franchise lost its appeal for me. If you want to do an alternate universe plot, why not just do one? Why feign continuity whilst at the same time erasing it?

2. THe "ship in a lightning storm" effect. Ok, nevermind the whole black hole becoming a wormhole thing, I felt as if this was purely a vehicle for making the Narada more impressive. Also just to serve as a hook so that Kirk could "save the day" by making the "ship in a lightning storm" link to the destruction USS Kelvin when the description came in of the threat to Vulcan.

3. On the above note, why would the ship appear to be a lighning storm a second time? It didn't exit the singularity again. And why didn't Spock's ship have the same effect when it emerged? Again, I felt that this was just to make the Narada more impressive.

Woah. Right.

Spoiler: The original universe still exists, it wasn't erased. The comic shows the Enterprise E still in space after the Narada and Jellyfish were pulled into the past.
Okay, you've totally nailed this one on the head. Massive, massive plot hole. The only possible way this works is if Spoiler: the Narada was pulled back into the singularity while fighting the Kelvin, and it was the same singularity that happened to pop up at Vulcan, essentially exchanging one massive plot hole for another.

THat's too much of a stretch, Willravel. Its just poor writing. What makes it worse is that its only purpose (as I see it) was to make the Narada more impressive, and to give Kirk a "hook" to show some leadership.

didn't spock pop out of the wormhole at Vulcan?

Spoiler: Spock emerged the second time yes, but it was not at Vulcan. It has to have happened a bit before, as there was enough time to capture, interrogate and offload him before the attack began. But on that point: His ship was not engulfed in lightning: he just popped out of the wormhole. This is in any case no reason for the Narada to be engulfed again.

Spoiler: The lightning could be explained in that it has something to do with the ship itself and nothing to do with the singularity. Nero modified the ship Borg technology and went around killing and assimilating other ships before confronting Spock and getting sucked into the black hole.

Spoiler: When theyre flying off from the shipyard it pans under the nacelle and you can see the registry of 1701.

Oh. I missed that. Welp, can't fill that plot hole.

I will say that I was very pleasantly surprised. I thought they did a really good job with the movie. I just wish the musical score was better.

Amen to that. Did you like the score to Star Trek Generations?

It was definitely better than this movie's.

Just saw this... great movie! Not sure about how I feel about it as part of the Star Trek universe, what with all the massive plot holes... but damn it's a fun movie!
Could of used about 10,000 less lens flares. I liked the camera shake, but some of my friends were annoyed by it...
Also, could have used a little more explenation as to how the time-travel paradox in the plot was possible. I think if any viewer's understanding of time travel was limited to Back To The Future they probably could have used a little more info on multiple universe theory...

So...I'm a Star Wars girl. I've seen a handful of episodes (TOS and TNG mostly), but never really got into Star Trek.


Saw the movie tonight... and wow. Granted, I know minimal backstory, but I thought it was pretty amazing. I think we have a new convert over here :)

That's clutching at straws, i reckon.

Spoiler:
1. He didn't confront Spock. Spock was late in arriving to neutralise the Supernova. Nero admitted that his ship was just a mining vessel prior to his mission of vengeance. Therefore there was no "pimp my ride" mission prior to the singularity that was triggered when Spock neutralised the Supernova.

2. If you are alleging that he went on a pimp my ride mission during the 25 years he waited for Spock to emerge, then is in itself inconsistent. It could explain the second lightning storm, but not the first.

3. Admittedly, in the beginning of the movie we are led to believe that the storm is an effect generated by the ship, but this is later explained away. I.e. poor writing.

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Despite my gripes, I wholeheartedly endorse this as the second best trekkie film ever made. Patrick Stewart agrees, and even gives some advice from the future on tackling the Narada:

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No, the ship was outfitted before the events of the movie.

Personally I'd say third best. Nothing beats Khan and I really love First Contact (sadly the only good Next Gen movie).

The comic book series that sets up this film shows how Nero upgrades his mining vessel into a war vessel. He uses Borg tech to start and then whatever he can salvage from the ships he defeats.

I think it's quite plausible that the weirdness of his tech causes the lightening storm effect.

I don't know how I missed it the first time; Montgomery Scott killed Porthos trying to demonstrate transwarp transporters. Fucker.

No, he lost Porthos demonstrating long-range transporters. He didn't kill him, Porthos just hasn't rematerialized anywhere.
Pussy.

He's just in a buffer somewhere like Big Fat Scotty was (will be?) in the future.

BTW, John Archer was only Admiral until 2169, iirc, when he started a political career (ambassador to Andoria, Earth's rep on the Federation Council, and president). The timeline wasn't changed until 2233. Maybe they just keep calling him admiral in Starfleet as a term of endearment.

I liked the crack about Archer's dog. It seemed a fitting fate for that show.

I'm going to have a second viewing tomorrow night.

Has anyone else seen it more than once? I think I'll enjoy it more this time around. As with many movies of this type, you tend to pick up on a lot more detail.

I've seen it twice. I'll go again in a week or two for a third viewing. I enjoyed the second viewing just as much as the first, though the second time I found myself slightly preoccupied with continuity issues and plot holes. It didn't change my positive opinion of the movie, though.

Speaking of, skyfire was right in post #148. I didn't notice it the first time, but I saw it as clear as day last night.

Not yet...but I am definitely going to see it again next week. *geek*

I'm off to see it again tonight, again on IMAX! I'll keep a sharp eye on the viewscreen for plot holes and temporal anomalys!

You guys are thinking about this too much. This was nothing but an action movie set in space, using Star Trek characters as a vehicle for publicity.

It was GOOD, but that's all it was.

Heretic!

Heretic needs to be burnt at the stake.

or fed into one of Scotty's long-range transporter experiments!

I also heard that Star Trek Voyager was going to be a Lost in Space remake but they couldn't acquire the rights so they replaced Dr. Smith with a Hologram and the Robot with a borg.

If Robby looked like 7 of 9, Lost in Space would have been a much more interesting show.

Agreed. It was a good Star Trek movie, in that the characters were bang on, really very well done.

However, as a movie, it's pretty forgettable. Take the Star Trek name off of it and rename all the characters yet leave everything else as is, and it would not be getting such praise.

For the inevitable sequels, they'll need to up their game, including such elements as an even slightly plausible story line and introduce a villain with a smidgen of presence.

I agree that the weakest part of this film is Nero. He didn't really make sense without a better understanding of his back story and even then, he's not really a match for Kirk and Co.

If not for his advanced tech he is nothing.

some of y'all are really picky lol

This.movie.was.AWESOME

The only complaint I had was they waited too long to bring in Scotty (he was always my fav)

The throwback references were well, well, well done IMO. LOVED the way they handled the two Spocks

Spoiler: and I loved the the way Pike was in a wheel chair (another throwback reference) when he relieved his command to Kirk. I hated they killed Spock's mother, because her parts were always some of my favorite, but in view of the new story arc I understand why they did it. Red shirts die wooohoooo. I even enjoyed the way the dude played Bones....I can take some differences on the others, but come on....Bones NEEDS to be Bones. LOVED the BF/GF angle with Spock and Uhura. Chekov was adorable...I think I have a new crush lol

After some more thought, I would agree it was good as a sci-fi action flick, but the weakest film by far yet for bearing the Star Trek name. Seemed to me like a two-part televison episode with better effects showing a parrellel timeline , and not worth waiting for this many years after Nemesis.
My first thoughts after watching this were: this broke the "curse" of the odd numbered films "sucking" by joining them (opinions will vary, I rather enjoyed them personally), the Dr. McCoy portrayal was perfect, and "so just when did Scotty lose the middle finger on his right hand?"
Any sequel based in this timeline/universe would be hard pressed to get my interest, and less likely to be anything more than a netflix rental. I would be very interested in reading the stories in a novel form though.

Finally got around to seeing it, and I'm with Shani--it was awesome. I really enjoyed the excellent ensemble acting--the whole cast was solid. Didn't care for the villain, but it didn't really matter.

I really want to go see it again but I don't know when I'll have time :(

I figured this out. The lightning storm in space they saw that Kirk recognized WAS Spock's ship coming through the black hole. While they were squabbling about command heirarchy, Spock was being picked up and marooned on the ice moon. He'd JUST come through, and that was the lightning storm anomaly they saw.

I feel like a bad trekker for not figuring this out. :sad:

Haven't been here in a while, but checked in to read what you all thought about Star Trek (though I'm surprised that there aren't more women in here!). Ktspktsp and I just got back from seeing it with my dad (who got me into TOS when I was just a wee lassie--though I really fell hardest for TNG when it came along)--AWESOME. I loved it, loved it, loved it. When Leonard Nimoy came on screen in the ice cave--I was nearly cheering out loud from my seat. Best ST movie I've seen in a loooooooooong while (though y'all are making me want to watch Wrath of Khan and First Contact again). :) I'm already scheming up ways to get ktsp dressed as the young Spock for Halloween, bwa hahah!! :) God, I miss being a ST nerd.

Just saw it. Loved it. Actually thought Bones was the best, how do you say it, resurrected character. I see McCoy through and through.

Anyhow, got to see it again. Thanks J. J., job well done.

Just saw it, this past weekend.

Questions I found myself asking, while viewing...

Spoiler: Where were Vulcan's defenses when the Romulan starship showed up and commenced to invade their air space and attack their planet with a gigantic, piercing tube that was many, many kilometers long (and thus that much exposed to attack)? Even if Vulcan's orbital defenses wouldn't have stood a chance against the advanced technology of the Romulan starship, surely Vulcan's ground forces could have cut that tube off by damaging it (if not outright destroying it) at its entry point into their planet's mantle.

Spoiler: Okay, so maybe Vulcans are such pacifists, they didn't have any orbital or ground defenses to speak of. (Although, that would be supremely stupid of them; illogical, even.) But surely the Earthlings did, when the Romulans showed up on their doorsteps to begin boring into their planet. And the Earthlings already knew how horribly cataclysmic that mantle-piercing tube could be, so they would've spared nothing to destroy it, even if that resulted in annihilating the city and the surrounding area at the point of the tube's entry.

After the second awakening, which occurred when the Kir'Shara was discovered in 2154, most Vulcans embraced pacifism as a part of their logical philosophy. As such, the Vulcan High Command, which was militaristic, was dissolved and replaced by a more science and exploration-centric governmental organization.

Even if they did have an armada, judging by how quickly the Narada destroyed the Federation fleet, they wouldn't have stood a chance.
I think you're underestimating the Narada. In the 24th century, where the Narada is from, the ship was able to take on a massive fleet of Klingon ships and really didn't have any trouble with them. It's a massive mining ship, which isn't that impressive, but it's been augmented significantly with Borg technology. I'd be willing to bet it could easily destroy the Enterprise E.

I saw it this past weekend!

I was disappointed, but it wasn't a bad movie. It just wasn't good either. I'm an average Star Trek fan, nothing major, but I did know who the cast/races were.

Unlike the people in this thread, my problems with the movie have nothing to do with the actual plot or sequences in the movie. My issues come with some of the acting, the script, and the flow of the movie.

I wasn't very engaged during this movie. The two most powerful scenes in the movie were when Nero attacked the first ship with Dad Kirk onboard and he stayed aboard while the rest evacced. That whole scene was filled with amazing cinematography and acting/writing; I felt genuine emotion during that scene. The second scene that was amazing was when they came out of warp and found the Narada over Vulcan with all the blown up starships floating in space. I loved that scene.

Kirk had a lot of backstory that didn't feel engaging at all. Driving the car off the cliff, getting into a fight at the bar, none of this was engaging. Spock, while played better than I expected, had plenty of backstory to pull viewers in but instead I found myself wondering why I didn't give a crap about him, his dad, or his mom.

Chekov was about to drive me crazy during the movie. Whoever played his character was downright annoying to me for some reason. His voice and his mannerisms combined with that forced accent was just urrrghhhh.

Scotty was way too cartoony. It's possible to have a comic relief in the movie without making him a damn cartoony caricature of himself!!!

I wasn't taken in by Old Spock either. The ice world monster chase scene was whoopdedoo, look at our CG.

Then when Kirk was taken back onboard the Enterprise and had to "make Spock mad" to get him off the bridge...again, a scene that should have had a gut wrenching effect on viewers, but instead came off as the director wanting to let fans see Spock kick some ass.

Shockwave pushing the Enterprise forward out of a black hole? Is this Independence Day 2?

I loved the action in the movie (except the hand to hand combat scene on the drill). The cinematography (if that's what you can call CG) was excellent, particularly the Starship sequences.

Captain Nero and his henchman were horrid. Nero might as well have been out of a B movie because his costume, makeup, and acting were definitely from one. His ship was particularly amazing, inside and out, and made me wish this much money could be spent on hiring a better writer for the movie.

I admit that its Tomatometer rating of 95% is accurate. Most people WILL love this movie, but if you're looking for a smart, intelligent sci-fi movie, you will have to wait for something else. This movie has huge potential and only lived up to part of it. If you think Casino Royale is one of the best Bond movies, then this movie is the Brosnan version of the 90s, while Casino Royale is where the series should be.

Overall rating 6/10. It's very slightly above average.

It was a little too over-the-top comic booky for my taste, but I think the cast was perfect, especially Kirk. It's not easy to imitate His Great William Shatner/Kirkness, but they pulled it off, classic Kirk. Spoiler: It's pretty funny that they managed to put a lot of Leonard Nimoy in but no Shatner. Who's pulling the strings in Hollywood? I still don't know WTF is up with the plot, it was an alternate timeline? I was hella blazed (not really) and that didn't help much in that one scene in the middle where they fired off a ton of pseudo-sciency time-travel explanation of what was going on. So are we going to have to suffer a bunch of future Trek series and movies in this alternate timeline? Kirk's father didn't actually die in the "Canon" timeline, am I right? Now scotty has a real scottish accent.

What I really want to see next, and I'm sure I've mentioned this before, is a movie or series set in the Star Trek universe but that is not primarily about any members of Starfleet. Maybe Picard's brother.

I heard the reason for Spoiler: Shatner's absence was due to his being pissed that his part wasn't big enough. I read they had basically a cameo for him in a memorial hologram and he wanted a bigger part.

The actor is Russian - is the accent all that forced?

It seemed to me that he had a legitimate Russian accent but perhaps the director or producers were "encouraging" him a little bit, it did sound thick to the point of being forced. But maybe he just has a really thick accent. :P

Oh I could tell he was Russian, but they definitely "encouraged" him for entertainment value. Violence when he talks. VIOLENCE!!!!!!!!!!

Saw this yesterday with my son. Freaking loved it. Some plot holes sure, and a couple of cheesy parts (ice planet chase), but it was a lot of fun and I can't wait for the next one.