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gallopingwanker · 07-23-2003, 10:21 PM

i started doing this hulk, and got halfway done and cannot get the will to finish it because i'm just not that good at it...oh well, just another incomplete page in the sketchbook.....

Spire · 07-23-2003, 10:50 PM

looks good to me

GoldenOuroboros · 07-23-2003, 11:02 PM

I agree with Spire

You can only get better with practice

And that looks way better than stuff that I could do.. finish it.. then think to yourself what you could have done differently, better.. then if you want highlight the areas and put remarks next to them of what could have been done better in your mind

And from what I've read and seen, most cartoonists seem to have their own style. Define yours.

cookiezzz · 07-23-2003, 11:54 PM

Looks very nice man. I think you should finish it (and color it, green is fun!

). I also believe you improve more if you try to finish what you started.

museacmaker · 07-24-2003, 12:48 PM

Deffinately have to agree with the improvement from finishing what you've started.

niek · 07-24-2003, 02:39 PM

Yeah I'ts pretty cool, the abs are a bit weird but perhaps that's what you were going for.

My vote : Finish it. And make more!

water_boy1999 · 07-24-2003, 04:00 PM

Looks great! I wish I had some kind of talent to draw like that....let alone the time to do it. Keep it up!

Ti6my · 07-25-2003, 11:26 AM

Yeah, definitley work on finishing projects. I have the same problem as you do. The other day I tossed one of my Chuck Taylors on the floor and noticed it made an interesting landing, so I started to draw it. I was pretty happy with what I had done with it so far, and just left it there, afraid to work on it for fear of wrecking what I had done so well. But, in order to further yourself as an artist, you need to complete your work. I know that sounds all too basic, but that's what helps you out the most, is practice. Then after you complete it, you can really say it's yours, and not just "a work in progress."

07-25-2003, 03:00 PM

i hate it. it reminds me of my sister and her pet squirrel "shank-master". Shank-master was the only creature on this green earth that i hated more than anything else ever in the annuals of things i hate. i'd chase that little bitch around with a wiffle ball bat everyday with the hope of smashing it to a pulp the consistancy of banana pudding. i never caught him/her/it. as the years past by, we slowly became friends and lovers. Shank-Master is gone now, but his/her/it's memory will live on forever...

did i say i hated your drawing. ooops!

I ment to say I like it. good job mister!

gallopingwanker · 07-25-2003, 03:05 PM

thanks, especially wpulley, you're like a motivaitonal speaker!

Mutant X · 07-26-2003, 01:24 AM

Thats a great start. Don't give up and keep up the good work dude. It all just takes time and practice.

07-26-2003, 04:12 PM

It is a really good start. I would finish it.

Dire Baka · 07-26-2003, 08:28 PM

Thats good. I have a lot of unfinished artwork but none of it looks like it could ever look good finished...

Sun Tzu · 07-27-2003, 09:27 PM

Sometimes unfinished works are finished. (Just a little art time Zen)

I've seen allot of my favorite artists: Dali, Eischer, and others have multiple pieces that were either unfinished or drawn that way intentionally. I've also seen it allot in storyboarding for movies.

Its understandable if it feels unfinshed to you, but I see a certain coolness in things like this.

analinguist · 07-28-2003, 03:47 PM

that looks finished to me. if you want it to be.

cade2 · 07-29-2003, 04:55 AM

pretty nice detailing though.

lfringe · 07-29-2003, 07:05 PM

What don't you like about it?

gallopingwanker · 07-30-2003, 12:06 AM

i'm not sure...i just can't draw a cool comic book pose that you always see in comics and stuff...mine always turn out front view blah....i'm just not happy with my comic drawings

07-30-2003, 10:27 AM

well damn, you COULD HAVE finished it over the last six days you have been saying that you wished you could finish it.

One actual thingy of advice:
I think I saw from a screenshot you posted that you use a Mac. would poser work on a Mac? I'm not sure. You could use a poser figure as a simple reference and draw the Hulk or any other character proportionally from that. I'm not saying rip off poser figures in your stuff (like I do) hehe , but its a great tool to see how arms and legs look in perspective.

Looking at your Hulk, the only thing that looks off is the arm. I know the arm is pointing forward from the elbow but the perspective got lost. This is the only place that probably bothers you because everything else is fine.

It would be fun to see a giant, oversized mouth on him, yelling and grunting. If you need a reference for a big mouth, you could always use mine. Let me know.

JohnS72 · 07-30-2003, 01:11 PM

I love it- Perhaps you can add an object to cover it up ;-)

gallopingwanker · 07-30-2003, 07:27 PM

thanks wpulley, some great advice. i've never looked in to downloading poser, i mean buying poser. so i don't even know if it's available for mac or not. every comic art i do i try to make it crazier and cooler than the last, but it sorta just turns out lame...? but i'm getting a hell of a lot better and i think that i may do a new hulk and show you guys what i come up with

. thanks again for all your comments/criticism it really helps!

DuNiLoMoo · 07-31-2003, 06:08 AM

Its finished...sort of

07-31-2003, 07:59 AM

betcha didn't see that coming, GW.

gallopingwanker · 07-31-2003, 08:49 AM

AWESOME! haha...sure saved me some time

analinguist · 08-01-2003, 04:19 AM

yo gallopingwanker.. where do you live?

Jerpitcher · 08-08-2003, 02:18 PM

Thats a great peace! Hats off to ya!

gallopingwanker · 08-10-2003, 05:47 AM

i hail from dayton ohio

ARTelevision · 08-10-2003, 06:26 AM

yes, almost always, artists are way too hard on themselves in terms of expectations.

nice piece...

Thagrastay · 08-31-2003, 03:53 PM

Although I can appreciate the effort, one must understand the subject before one does the rendition: The Hulk is a monstrous brute- wide browed, thick-jawed, whose Legs and arms are equally powerful. He is a machine of destruction, limited horribly in the cerbral department and therefore, his proportions are generally all body with small head and large mouth. The Hulk's hands and feet are generally disproportionately large as a rule as well.
Comic art is not so much about the mechanics of the lines as the flow of the motion. Rarely will one find a ful-on frontal of the hulk in a merely angry mood. If he is fully front-on, he is generally about to destroy something or about to become Dr. banner. Comic art is about story telling through action and the illusion of drama through movement.
Anatomy is good, but needs to be considerably more exaggerated and rounded, as the genre demands rounder lines and more detail and variations of thickness of lines. One shades a super creature through line variations AND color with depth of perspective coming from the thickness of the lines. Good studies in comic art motion are John or Sal Buscema, Gene Colan, John Byrne, Terry Austin, Joe Sinnott, Jim Apparo, Jack Kirby (the greatest there ever was at dramatic motion) and the Romita's- Johns Sr & Jr., Ross Andru and many more I am not naming.
Granted, these are from the early days, but these were the founders.

gallopingwanker · 08-31-2003, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Thagrastay
Although I can appreciate the effort, one must understand the subject before one does the rendition: The Hulk is a monstrous brute- wide browed, thick-jawed, whose Legs and arms are equally powerful. He is a machine of destruction, limited horribly in the cerbral department and therefore, his proportions are generally all body with small head and large mouth. The Hulk's hands and feet are generally disproportionately large as a rule as well.
Comic art is not so much about the mechanics of the lines as the flow of the motion. Rarely will one find a ful-on frontal of the hulk in a merely angry mood. If he is fully front-on, he is generally about to destroy something or about to become Dr. banner. Comic art is about story telling through action and the illusion of drama through movement.
Anatomy is good, but needs to be considerably more exaggerated and rounded, as the genre demands rounder lines and more detail and variations of thickness of lines. One shades a super creature through line variations AND color with depth of perspective coming from the thickness of the lines. Good studies in comic art motion are John or Sal Buscema, Gene Colan, John Byrne, Terry Austin, Joe Sinnott, Jim Apparo, Jack Kirby (the greatest there ever was at dramatic motion) and the Romita's- Johns Sr & Jr., Ross Andru and many more I am not naming.
Granted, these are from the early days, but these were the founders.

i was drawing him out of boredom, and who says that my hulk has to look like the stereotypical other hulk you see, be it not very good ( i don't think so at least) but just because i didn't throw the big mouth tiny head, blah blah blah, doesn't make him the hulk, i'm not, nor want to be a professional comic artist, i just do it when i'm bored...

08-31-2003, 07:35 PM

when i'm bored i snack on kittens. really cute kittens.

Thagrastay · 09-01-2003, 03:48 PM

I didn't mean to offend, please forgive me.
As far as the departure from the character's recognized attributes, if he does not look like the Hulk, then how will we know he is the Hulk?
Do not be so thin-skinned, wanker, art gets criticized. When an artist displays their art it is understood that it will be criticized. That goes with the territory. There is nothing you can do about that. You may disagree with the criticsm, but art is interpretive and once it leaves the solitude of the artist it becomes the property of the person who beholds it.

riptide4070 · 09-11-2003, 01:14 PM

not bad, needs a background, just a thought

07-23-2003, 10:21 PM	#1 (permalink)
gallopingwanker At the Lemonade Stand Location: in a theater near you!	i wish i could finish a comic style drawing.... i started doing this hulk, and got halfway done and cannot get the will to finish it because i'm just not that good at it...oh well, just another incomplete page in the sketchbook.....

07-23-2003, 11:02 PM	#3 (permalink)
GoldenOuroboros The Cheshire Grin... Location: An Aussie Outback	I agree with Spire You can only get better with practice And that looks way better than stuff that I could do.. finish it.. then think to yourself what you could have done differently, better.. then if you want highlight the areas and put remarks next to them of what could have been done better in your mind And from what I've read and seen, most cartoonists seem to have their own style. Define yours. __________________ Can you see me grin grin grrriiiiinnnning?!

07-24-2003, 12:48 PM	#5 (permalink)
museacmaker Upright	Deffinately have to agree with the improvement from finishing what you've started. __________________ Until next time, keep sending me your thoughts, and I will continue to make fun of you

07-24-2003, 04:00 PM	#7 (permalink)
water_boy1999 Fly em straight! Location: Above and Beyond	Looks great! I wish I had some kind of talent to draw like that....let alone the time to do it. Keep it up! __________________ Doh!!!! -Homer Simpson

07-26-2003, 08:28 PM	#13 (permalink)
Dire Baka Upright Location: SDSM&T i.e. the Pits of Hell	Thats good. I have a lot of unfinished artwork but none of it looks like it could ever look good finished... __________________ I'm back!... Don't everyone jump for joy at the same time... Might cause an earthquake Indecision really... um... yeah whatever I still want my avatar back

07-23-2003, 10:50 PM	#2 (permalink)
Spire Tilted	looks good to me

07-23-2003, 11:54 PM	#4 (permalink)
cookiezzz Tilted	Looks very nice man. I think you should finish it (and color it, green is fun! ). I also believe you improve more if you try to finish what you started.

07-24-2003, 02:39 PM	#6 (permalink)
niek Banned	Yeah I'ts pretty cool, the abs are a bit weird but perhaps that's what you were going for. My vote : Finish it. And make more!

07-25-2003, 11:26 AM	#8 (permalink)
Ti6my Upright	Yeah, definitley work on finishing projects. I have the same problem as you do. The other day I tossed one of my Chuck Taylors on the floor and noticed it made an interesting landing, so I started to draw it. I was pretty happy with what I had done with it so far, and just left it there, afraid to work on it for fear of wrecking what I had done so well. But, in order to further yourself as an artist, you need to complete your work. I know that sounds all too basic, but that's what helps you out the most, is practice. Then after you complete it, you can really say it's yours, and not just "a work in progress."

07-25-2003, 03:00 PM	#9 (permalink)
wpulley Guest	i hate it. it reminds me of my sister and her pet squirrel "shank-master". Shank-master was the only creature on this green earth that i hated more than anything else ever in the annuals of things i hate. i'd chase that little bitch around with a wiffle ball bat everyday with the hope of smashing it to a pulp the consistancy of banana pudding. i never caught him/her/it. as the years past by, we slowly became friends and lovers. Shank-Master is gone now, but his/her/it's memory will live on forever... did i say i hated your drawing. ooops! I ment to say I like it. good job mister!

07-25-2003, 03:05 PM	#10 (permalink)
gallopingwanker At the Lemonade Stand Location: in a theater near you!	thanks, especially wpulley, you're like a motivaitonal speaker!

07-26-2003, 01:24 AM	#11 (permalink)
Mutant X Crazy Location: Miami,Fl	Thats a great start. Don't give up and keep up the good work dude. It all just takes time and practice.

07-26-2003, 04:12 PM	#12 (permalink)
NotMinus Guest	It is a really good start. I would finish it.

07-27-2003, 09:27 PM	#14 (permalink)
Sun Tzu Conspiracy Realist Location: The Event Horizon	Sometimes unfinished works are finished. (Just a little art time Zen) I've seen allot of my favorite artists: Dali, Eischer, and others have multiple pieces that were either unfinished or drawn that way intentionally. I've also seen it allot in storyboarding for movies. Its understandable if it feels unfinshed to you, but I see a certain coolness in things like this. __________________ *To confine our attention to terrestrial matters would be to limit the human spirit.- Stephen Hawking*

07-28-2003, 03:47 PM	#15 (permalink)
analinguist Psycho	that looks finished to me. if you want it to be. __________________ end

07-31-2003, 06:08 AM	#22 (permalink)
DuNiLoMoo Upright	here you go Its finished...sort of

07-29-2003, 04:55 AM	#16 (permalink)
cade2 Upright	pretty nice detailing though.

07-29-2003, 07:05 PM	#17 (permalink)
lfringe Crazy Location: Chicago, IL	What don't you like about it?

07-30-2003, 12:06 AM	#18 (permalink)
gallopingwanker At the Lemonade Stand Location: in a theater near you!	i'm not sure...i just can't draw a cool comic book pose that you always see in comics and stuff...mine always turn out front view blah....i'm just not happy with my comic drawings

07-30-2003, 10:27 AM	#19 (permalink)
wpulley Guest	well damn, you COULD HAVE finished it over the last six days you have been saying that you wished you could finish it. One actual thingy of advice: I think I saw from a screenshot you posted that you use a Mac. would poser work on a Mac? I'm not sure. You could use a poser figure as a simple reference and draw the Hulk or any other character proportionally from that. I'm not saying rip off poser figures in your stuff (like I do) hehe , but its a great tool to see how arms and legs look in perspective. Looking at your Hulk, the only thing that looks off is the arm. I know the arm is pointing forward from the elbow but the perspective got lost. This is the only place that probably bothers you because everything else is fine. It would be fun to see a giant, oversized mouth on him, yelling and grunting. If you need a reference for a big mouth, you could always use mine. Let me know.

07-30-2003, 01:11 PM	#20 (permalink)
JohnS72 Crazy	I love it- Perhaps you can add an object to cover it up ;-)

07-30-2003, 07:27 PM	#21 (permalink)
gallopingwanker At the Lemonade Stand Location: in a theater near you!	thanks wpulley, some great advice. i've never looked in to downloading poser, i mean buying poser. so i don't even know if it's available for mac or not. every comic art i do i try to make it crazier and cooler than the last, but it sorta just turns out lame...? but i'm getting a hell of a lot better and i think that i may do a new hulk and show you guys what i come up with . thanks again for all your comments/criticism it really helps!

07-31-2003, 07:59 AM	#23 (permalink)
wpulley Guest	betcha didn't see that coming, GW.

07-31-2003, 08:49 AM	#24 (permalink)
gallopingwanker At the Lemonade Stand Location: in a theater near you!	AWESOME! haha...sure saved me some time

08-01-2003, 04:19 AM	#25 (permalink)
analinguist Psycho	yo gallopingwanker.. where do you live? __________________ end

08-08-2003, 02:18 PM	#26 (permalink)
Jerpitcher Crazy Location: Arizona	Thats a great peace! Hats off to ya!

08-10-2003, 05:47 AM	#27 (permalink)
gallopingwanker At the Lemonade Stand Location: in a theater near you!	i hail from dayton ohio

08-10-2003, 06:26 AM	#28 (permalink)
ARTelevision I change Location: USA	yes, almost always, artists are way too hard on themselves in terms of expectations. nice piece... __________________ create evolution

08-31-2003, 03:53 PM	#29 (permalink)
Thagrastay Crazy Location: Handrail, Montana	Although I can appreciate the effort, one must understand the subject before one does the rendition: The Hulk is a monstrous brute- wide browed, thick-jawed, whose Legs and arms are equally powerful. He is a machine of destruction, limited horribly in the cerbral department and therefore, his proportions are generally all body with small head and large mouth. The Hulk's hands and feet are generally disproportionately large as a rule as well. Comic art is not so much about the mechanics of the lines as the flow of the motion. Rarely will one find a ful-on frontal of the hulk in a merely angry mood. If he is fully front-on, he is generally about to destroy something or about to become Dr. banner. Comic art is about story telling through action and the illusion of drama through movement. Anatomy is good, but needs to be considerably more exaggerated and rounded, as the genre demands rounder lines and more detail and variations of thickness of lines. One shades a super creature through line variations AND color with depth of perspective coming from the thickness of the lines. Good studies in comic art motion are John or Sal Buscema, Gene Colan, John Byrne, Terry Austin, Joe Sinnott, Jim Apparo, Jack Kirby (the greatest there ever was at dramatic motion) and the Romita's- Johns Sr & Jr., Ross Andru and many more I am not naming. Granted, these are from the early days, but these were the founders. __________________ "That's it! They've got the cuffs on him, he's IN the car!"

08-31-2003, 07:35 PM	#31 (permalink)
wpulley Guest	when i'm bored i snack on kittens. really cute kittens.

09-01-2003, 03:48 PM	#32 (permalink)
Thagrastay Crazy Location: Handrail, Montana	I didn't mean to offend, please forgive me. As far as the departure from the character's recognized attributes, if he does not look like the Hulk, then how will we know he is the Hulk? Do not be so thin-skinned, wanker, art gets criticized. When an artist displays their art it is understood that it will be criticized. That goes with the territory. There is nothing you can do about that. You may disagree with the criticsm, but art is interpretive and once it leaves the solitude of the artist it becomes the property of the person who beholds it. __________________ "That's it! They've got the cuffs on him, he's IN the car!"

09-11-2003, 01:14 PM	#33 (permalink)
riptide4070 Addict Location: Boone, NC	not bad, needs a background, just a thought __________________ "the greatest trick the devil ever pulled, was making the world believe he didn't exist" -Kevin Spacey 'The Usual Suspects'