09-05-2005, 04:36 AM | #41 (permalink) |
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http://www.rivier.edu/faculty/dburge.../fallicies.htm
From Ignorance: because something is not known to be true, it is assumed to be false. There are lots of sources about this happening. There were enough complaints that the army halted recruiting briefly to "fix" the problem. But in one day, what did they really do.
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09-05-2005, 05:04 AM | #42 (permalink) | |
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What happens if you don't sign? Do you have to leave the country, or something? Go to jail forever? Do they just give you a dirty look and talk about you behind your back? What happens?
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09-05-2005, 05:09 AM | #43 (permalink) | |
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09-05-2005, 07:15 AM | #44 (permalink) |
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To add to what maleficent said, if you don't sign up for the Selective Service, you can't receive any kind of federal aid or scholarships for college. Honestly, it's just another form to fill out when you turn 18 - but in case of a draft, things would change.
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09-05-2005, 01:03 PM | #45 (permalink) |
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I didn't even know I was required to sign up for the selective service until I was applying for college aid and loans.
It was incorpoated into the system, I just selected 'yes' in a internet box, and it signed me up for the service. They make it not a big deal, so that people don't say anything about it.
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09-05-2005, 01:27 PM | #46 (permalink) | |
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Yep...You're right. And now that the US Armed Forces is hurting for recruits, if I were turning 18 registering with selective service would be one of the first things I did...regardless of whether I was continuing on to college or not. I wouldn't think there would be a wave of prosecutions for those that failed to register, but if I were 18, or about to turn 18, I would err on the side fo caution and go ahead and register. It's not a big deal really...takes 5 minutes. And....I served my 3 years active duty (83-86) and then was in the reserves for three years afterwards..completing my 6 year commitment. (Now it's 8 yrs). I think military service is an excellent option for young people. Both because it is an honor to serve your country, and it is a great way to pay for college. If you deal with recruiters as shrewdly as the average person does with a salesman when buying a car, then you're not likely to get screwed over. Just research what the guy in uniform is telling you before you sign on the dotted line.
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09-05-2005, 01:36 PM | #47 (permalink) |
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The only problem with that texxasco is that the kids the recruiters are talking to,
they have never met a car salesmen. They are mostly under 18, and being fed a sales pitch. There is enough shady dealings happening with recruiters to be worried as a parent.
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09-05-2005, 04:33 PM | #48 (permalink) |
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the problem with them having all the contact info is that recruiters are a pain in the ass. i was hounded (and i mean hounded) for years by recruiters. the last year of high school, every summer home from college, and then some more when i came home after graduating. multiple branches, calling several times a week. in hs they'd come by the school to see me.
it's not as easy as just saying "thanks, but no thanks" and you're done. several of my friends went through similar things. and even if you do agree to talk with them--the will feed you a total line of bs. of the 20 or so friends who did enlist, only 2 don't feel they got screwed over. i eventually spoke with a recruiter and everything sounded pretty good. so my dad insists on coming with me next time i talk to him--and i'm eternally grateful to him for it. needless to say, i never joined up. that's not to say it isn't right for anyone--just that the military is not right for everyone. recruiters will tell a very different story because that is their job. for kids who don't know any better, why wouldn't they believe it? i'm not stupid, but the recruiter has an answer for everything and it isn't always honest. and when my dad (career military) was sitting next to me, the answers certainly changed from what i'd heard when i was alone. i may have been legal, but my life experience was still that of a child--why wouldn't i believe what the recruiter said? he's the one the military says can answer my questions regarding training and programs--how am i supposed to know he'll lie about it? i do not have a problem with the military or people enlisting. but just as i don't like credit card companies targetting freshman on a college campus, i don't like recruiters that hound high school students. they intentionally solicit those who are least able to defend against their tactics. |
09-05-2005, 05:27 PM | #49 (permalink) | |
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Well I see your point, and I also agree with a lot of what Bad Jane had to say as well. I am getting a little education as to exactly how bad the recruiters are these days. A lot seems to have changed since I enlisted in the fall of 1982. (God has it been 23 years already?) I enlisted in November 1982, a week before my 18th birthday, only because I had to have my parents signature being under 18. I could have waited a week or so, but I wanted to make a point with my Dad, whom I was having issues with at the time (like a lot of teenagers). I worked my own deal, and all the recruiter did was coem over to the house one evening, lay everything we had worked out in front of the folks, and they had to sign off on it...which they did. Recruiters never really were all that aggressive back then, which apparently has changed as well. It's a shame they are that way...what an embarrassment for them, and the military as well. Thanks for the enlightenment.
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09-05-2005, 07:30 PM | #51 (permalink) | |
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09-05-2005, 07:35 PM | #52 (permalink) |
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The military receives more honor now than that of the returning Vets from Viet Nam, PD. Much to the shame of all of Americans' during that time and how the returning soldiers were treated, out of guilt, we recognize that our soldiers now are simply doing their duty.
There is a big difference, though. A drafted military came back vilified from Viet Nam. A voluntary military for (IMO) another unjust war, is being treated with respect. Rightfully so. |
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09-05-2005, 11:42 PM | #56 (permalink) | |
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09-09-2005, 07:30 PM | #57 (permalink) |
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Wow, you amaze me, you must have been one hell of a recruiter to know that all recruiters lies. No, you did not say all, but you implied it. ONE - I did recruit for the U.S. Navy. TWO - I NEVERED LIED to an applicant. An applicant is anyone that I sat down with and discussed their options. THREE - Whenever I contacted a potential applicant, if they told me what their plans were I would congratulate them and asked (yes I asked them) if I could call back to see if things were going as planned. More often than not they said yes. FOUR - I never promised anything that I personally could not provide. Not a specific job, duty station, etc... FIVE - When asked the tough questions (the ones that I feel you implied all recruiters would lie about) I answered them and if I didn't know the answer, I immediately call one of the other recruiters in my district to get the answer. SIX - I was a damn good recruiter and I did my job with the highest of ethics. Does this mean that just because I didn't do any of the things you implied, none of the other recruiters did either. No I am not saying that. Matter of fact, I have met recruiters who would do just about anything for a contract. But guess what, for every good person in a profession, there is someone bad. This goes for police, lawyers, doctors, even computer programmers. As for recruiters obtaining list of kids in school I'm all for it. Otherwise, how are they to do their job if they don't know how to contact them. There is a solution though, do away with recruiters and bring back the draft. Then do as Israel and every citizen would complete two years of active military service and then be in the reserves for the rest of their life. How do I know this, well, Israel is one of the wonderful places that I was able to visit (twice). Also, before any person joins the military, they should research it. Talk to people (more than one of course) who have been in the military. Research it on the internet, that is what my son did before he joined (he is in his second week of boot camp). Did I pressure him, no, this is something that he has wanted to do for the last four years. Any person who joins in todays day and time and does not get what they wanted out of it can only blame themselves. There is way to much information out there to obtain before making a decision. Seadevil |
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