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Silvy · 03-31-2005, 04:06 AM

Oh man, this guy should be on a hitlist....

Link to story on ABC

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ATLANTIC CITY, N.J. Mar 30, 2005 — A 15-year-old girl was fatally shot after refusing a man's demand for a kiss, authorities said. The alleged gunman was captured Wednesday night in Washington, D.C.

Atlantic County Prosecutor Jeffrey Blitz said Alfred R. Bishop, 21, will be charged with murder in the death of Elisa Hernandez, a high school sophomore.

Hernandez had gone to an apartment in her housing complex to visit girlfriends just before midnight Tuesday, Blitz said. Bishop, a friend of the apartment's occupants who stored some of his belongings there, arrived shortly afterward.

After some casual conversation, Bishop tried to get Hernandez to kiss him, but she laughed at him, the prosecutor said. Bishop then pulled out a pistol, put it to her head and demanded a kiss, Blitz said.

According to witnesses, Hernandez refused, and pushed the gun away twice before Bishop allegedly shot her through the left eye and fled, Blitz said. She died at the scene.

An anonymous tipster's call to Atlantic County's major crimes unit led authorities to Bishop, police said. He was arrested without incident at his aunt's home in Washington, said Janet Niedosik, spokeswoman for the Atlantic County Prosecutor's Office.

"It's crazy, I can't believe it," said the girl's uncle, Miguel Hernandez, 26, who described his niece as a normal teen who was into computers. "She didn't deserve that."

It keeps surprising me how seriously f*cked up some people are.
And to be honest, if this guy is convicted, I'd be surprised if lives to old age.

I'm against violence, but if I were the cops, it would've been hard not "think" he was "resisting" arrest...

When viewing the preview of this post, I noticed that my sig says it all.... Add to that a quote from the same movie "if you break [this rule] we will send you to whichever god you wish" (or something like that)

Midnight_Son · 03-31-2005, 05:58 AM

Read my sig

Glory's Sun · 03-31-2005, 06:27 AM

This guy will die a horrible death..and I'm sure it won't be an injection either. I'm not real sure on how NJ is with death penalties and such but I do know I'd hate to be in the pen in that state (or any other state).

Fourtyrulz · 03-31-2005, 07:12 AM

I hope he lines his asshole with barbed wire before he gets to prison...because he's going to end up living two kinds of Hell.

KinkyKiwi · 03-31-2005, 07:16 AM

thats really awful

i hope he suffers

streak_56 · 03-31-2005, 07:48 AM

He should get severely punished for what he did. Just because a 15 yr old girl didn't kiss him? Thats bulls**t. It amazes me that some people cannot process that killing a person is wrong. I feel for her family, I really do.

ironman · 03-31-2005, 08:07 AM

It's incredible how this people with their actions can generate so much hate and pain. I've always considered myself a peacefull person, against all acts of violence and anti death penalty, but there has so many things going on lately, that i'm getting to the point where i wouldn't mind if these people is totured beyond human resistance and left to rotten under the sun of death valley. I really don't like what these people make me feel...

biznatch · 03-31-2005, 08:09 AM

That fucker just took her innocent life away...that makes me hate this world sometimes, its horrible how things happen, so quick, so deadly.
I don't hope he suffers, I just want that guy isolated from society.

OFKU0 · 03-31-2005, 08:48 AM

Obviously an aweful event. Now don't go jumping on me,,..I'm not blaming the girl. But what was she doing as a 15 year old going to her friends house just before midnight on a Tuesday night, presumably a school night and where were her parents or the parents of the other girl?

liquidlight · 03-31-2005, 09:05 AM

It's stories like this one that make me wonder what exactly consistitutes "crueal and unusual punishment." In a case like this I believe that the punishment should be commiserate to the crime, which by my thinking rules out the possibility that anything that they could do to him would be more cruel and unusual than what he did to that poor girl.

I'm just waiting for this story to progress, you know the next thing that you're going to hear so some freaking media hungry lawyer claiming that it was all an accident and the shooter is being victimized. Pre-emptively, what the hell was he doing putting a gun to her head to begin with?

And OKFU0 I agree with you, why wasn't she at home in her bed and where the hell were the parents?!

Janey · 03-31-2005, 09:09 AM

of course. that is a big question. and what was that guy doing with a gun for pete's sake!

the_marq · 03-31-2005, 09:10 AM

The fact that she "refused to kiss him" is immaterial to real issue going on here.

Man killed a girl. End of story.

The circumstances surrounding the event cannot and should not influence is guilt, innocence or method of punishment.

Carno · 03-31-2005, 09:15 AM

Okay, savages...

Yes he did something horribly wrong, but that doesn't mean he should be tortured for it.

analog · 03-31-2005, 09:43 AM

Shit like this happens all the time, I try not to get worked up over it anymore. There's not enough time for it all.

He'll get his.

NCB · 03-31-2005, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by analog

Shit like this happens all the time, I try not to get worked up over it anymore. There's not enough time for it all

^^^

Excellent example of how familiarity breeds indifference. This country needs to regain it's outrage over shit like this. I for one refuse to accept this as part of today's culture. It may be nieve, but if we become indifferent to crimes like this, we run the risk of losing our souls

filtherton · 03-31-2005, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by NCB

^^^

Excellent example of how familiarity breeds indifference. This country needs to regain it's outrage over shit like this. I for one refuse to accept this as part of today's culture. It may be nieve, but if we become indifferent to crimes like this, we run the risk of losing our souls

If you'll notice, there is no shortage of outrage in this thread. This isn't part of just today's culture, occurances such as this is part of human culture throughout history. I would even make the uneducated guess that such things happen less nowadays than during other periods in our history. In the days of slavery and manifest destiny tragedy such as this was institutional and widely accepted, nowadays such things are largely isolated incidents.

raeanna74 · 03-31-2005, 10:07 AM

Well that girl sure had guts and principles. She refused to bend her will to his even with a gun to her head. I so wish she hasn't been the one to die. The world needs more people, esp. teens with guts like that.

I hope he doesn't live long - at least not long enough to spawn any more maggots of his sort.

Supple Cow · 03-31-2005, 10:24 AM

But does this kind of thing happen all the time? I think random killings (like botched robberies) probably happen all the time. Jealous lovers, stalkers, unrequited love... those kinds of motivations (while not excusing any crime) make more sense for this kind of ending. This is just so atrocious to me because he barely met the damn girl. I'm having trouble wrapping my head around this one. I almost think he must have been on drugs. If he has the kind of attitude where it's okay to hold a gun to an underaged girl's head and demand a kiss, doesn't it seem likely that he would have been arrested before for similar behavior?

Charlatan · 03-31-2005, 10:30 AM

For me it isn't a matter of whether or not it happens all the time or not...

I refuse to get worked up over this because:

a) I don't have all the facts
b) I don't know these people
c) I refuse to throw my emotions and energy into something so wholly unrelated to me.

This isn't to say that it doesn't trouble me that this sort of thing can and does occur. It is just that I refuse to get worked up. I have better things into which to funnel my energies.

Stompy · 03-31-2005, 11:14 AM

I dunno... reading through stories like this is kinda funny because everyone is all cliche with the "I hope he burns in hell" or "I hope he gets what he deserves" or "How dare he take another's life".

That's all.

Sucks that it happened, but that's life I guess.

Nazggul · 03-31-2005, 11:37 AM

15 year old girl, out at midnight, in the projects.

Of course the guy is fillth and should be treated as such, but this is just a symptom of a much larger problem that has been debated to death for years.

Willravel · 03-31-2005, 11:45 AM

Agreed, nazggul. This is symptomatic of a MUCH larger problem. It's not guns, though. This man was raised in an environment that allowed apathy and rage. This man was taught that it was okay to treat other people with no respect and to do what you want when you please. This man was taught that murder is alright.

martinguerre · 03-31-2005, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by NCB

^^^

Excellent example of how familiarity breeds indifference. This country needs to regain it's outrage over shit like this. I for one refuse to accept this as part of today's culture. It may be nieve, but if we become indifferent to crimes like this, we run the risk of losing our souls

Well, i'm first in line to be outraged at the gun culture that put a piece in the hands of someone capable of this crime. You in?

Willravel · 03-31-2005, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by martinguerre

Well, i'm first in line to be outraged at the gun culture that put a piece in the hands of someone capable of this crime. You in?

I second that. It is irresponsible to stand up for gun rights, but not try to make sure it will be safe for innocenet people.

BTW, if you think owning a gun will 'save you from the government', you're a few bullets short of a full clip.

ngdawg · 03-31-2005, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by OFKU0

Obviously an aweful event. Now don't go jumping on me,,..I'm not blaming the girl. But what was she doing as a 15 year old going to her friends house just before midnight on a Tuesday night, presumably a school night and where were her parents or the parents of the other girl?

Schools are off this week for spring break/easter week. Doesn't lessen the sickness of the crime.
NJ has a death penalty, has had people sentenced to it and yet has not used it.

0energy0 · 03-31-2005, 12:24 PM

This is horrible. Who would do such a thing? For a kiss? Or to even pull a gun on her?

How would she even pull the gun away away from herself twice? I assumed she knew the guy...

JamesB · 03-31-2005, 12:26 PM

Man I feel bad for humanity when I hear about these sick acts.

StormBerlin · 03-31-2005, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Charlatan

For me it isn't a matter of whether or not it happens all the time or not...

I refuse to get worked up over this because:

a) I don't have all the facts
b) I don't know these people
c) I refuse to throw my emotions and energy into something so wholly unrelated to me.

This isn't to say that it doesn't trouble me that this sort of thing can and does occur. It is just that I refuse to get worked up. I have better things into which to funnel my energies.

Because Humanity is totally unrelated to you....

I pray you never have to experience what her family must be going through.

Supple Cow · 03-31-2005, 01:23 PM

I wouldn't assume she knew him beforehand, but even if she did, I'm not shocked that he shot her. I am, however, shocked that so few posters in this thread seem to think the central issue is that he shot her because he (unsuccessfully) tried to force her to kiss him. Maybe I'm overreacting, but I happen to find it disturbing to be a woman these days. It's already common enough that rapists come in the form of thugs hiding in alleyways as well as romantic interests who don't know how to respect your boundaries, and I know that kissing doesn't constitute rape, but this crime is different (in a very fundamental way) from if he had just walked up to her and shot her for basically any other reason. When I read about it, I wished that there was another category of crime for this (outside rape and sexual assault) so that he would get all of the punitive measures appropriate for such an action. I guess that's the part that's so saddening (and frightening) about it for me.

cyrnel · 03-31-2005, 01:51 PM

Supple Cow, to me, that he shot her for any reason beyond self defense puts him in the psycho category. Monetary gain, turf, or activism wouldn't excuse it, but they would at least follow societal patterns. That he appears to have done it in response to simple rejection says he was on the edge and doomed to snap. I'm thankful he wasn't smart or he might be out there planning his next relationship.

I've noticed this type of crime - something so far outside my understanding - stops my identification with both victim and perpetrator in the hope of more information. It might hit closer to home if I had more information about the relationships, but my gut says the guy is a nutcase and we'd have heard from him sooner or later.

Cynthetiq · 03-31-2005, 01:59 PM

some people just suck.

Silvy · 03-31-2005, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by the_marq

Man killed a girl. End of story.

I agree that that is the main crime, but the circumstances are most certainly not unrelated.

I think threatening an underage girl to get sexual favors is a crime in its own right, and should definitely count towards sentencing.

Stompy · 03-31-2005, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by StormBerlin

Because Humanity is totally unrelated to you....

I pray you never have to experience what her family must be going through.

Heh, not quite.

You know how many stories like this rotate through the media each day? If we took even 5 minutes to feel sad about something like this, we'd spend every waking second of our lives in a depressed state.

No thank you.

Coppertop · 03-31-2005, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Cynthetiq

some people just suck.

Sad, but true.

liquidlight · 03-31-2005, 03:40 PM

Something that I find really sad about this whole situation is that as despicable as the actions of the man doing the shooting, just think about the kinds of judgements that are going to come against the people that cared about him, regardless of whether or not they deserved it.

I also think it's an excellent point that somewhere he had to learn that this kind of behavior was acceptable, who is teaching this to people?! I've got 2 young children and everyday I worry about them running into people like this, or that I won't be able to succeed at my job as a parent and that they will begin to associate with people like this and learn that this kind of behavior is acceptable. As much as I hate the politics and the extremism, there is something to be said for good family values.

Mojo_PeiPei · 03-31-2005, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by martinguerre

Well, i'm first in line to be outraged at the gun culture that put a piece in the hands of someone capable of this crime. You in?

Do you honestly think this young chap had this gun legally?

Seanland · 03-31-2005, 03:55 PM

The Question that needs to be answer:

What the fuck are wrong with people these days?.......

03-31-2005, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Charlatan

For me it isn't a matter of whether or not it happens all the time or not...

I refuse to get worked up over this because:

a) I don't have all the facts
b) I don't know these people
c) I refuse to throw my emotions and energy into something so wholly unrelated to me.

This isn't to say that it doesn't trouble me that this sort of thing can and does occur. It is just that I refuse to get worked up. I have better things into which to funnel my energies.

id hate to get to the point of these things not affecting me.I do tend to let these things upset me more than maybe is advisable but that is so much better than it not affecting me at all.

On the day when all people can read a story like this and feel nothing is the day theres no hope for humanity.

itwasntme · 03-31-2005, 04:59 PM

thats crazy

jorgelito · 03-31-2005, 05:17 PM

How much you wanna bet this guy is "mentally disturbed" and gets off cause of it? Because think of it: that's just crazy - the perfect defense.

Please don't blame "gun culture" or at least clarify what you mean. I doubt (my opinion) that lawful guns caused this. Either the guy is nut (in which case he'll get off relatively lightly) or you can blame the ol' standby: media, video games, rap music etc. Plenty of other things to blame (except personal responsibility of course).

03-31-2005, 05:58 AM	#2 (permalink)
Midnight_Son The Cover Doesn't Match The Book Location: in a van down by the river	Read my sig __________________ SWM, tattooed, seeks meaningful tits and beer. Enjoys biker mags, pornography, and Sunday morning walks to the liquor store. Winners of erotic hot dog eating contests given priority.

03-31-2005, 07:12 AM	#4 (permalink)
Fourtyrulz Psycho Location: io-where?	I hope he lines his asshole with barbed wire before he gets to prison...because he's going to end up living two kinds of Hell. __________________ the·o·ry - a working hypothesis that is considered probable based on experimental evidence or factual or conceptual analysis and is accepted as a basis for experimentation. faith - Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. - Merriam-Webster's dictionary

03-31-2005, 07:16 AM	#5 (permalink)
KinkyKiwi "Without the fuzz" Location: ..too close for comfort..	thats really awful i hope he suffers __________________ Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps. Play with each other. Play with yourselves. Just don't play with the squirrels, they bite.

03-31-2005, 08:07 AM	#7 (permalink)
ironman Smithers, release the hounds Location: Guatemala, Guatemala	It's incredible how this people with their actions can generate so much hate and pain. I've always considered myself a peacefull person, against all acts of violence and anti death penalty, but there has so many things going on lately, that i'm getting to the point where i wouldn't mind if these people is totured beyond human resistance and left to rotten under the sun of death valley. I really don't like what these people make me feel... __________________ If I agreed with you we´d both be wrong

03-31-2005, 08:48 AM	#9 (permalink)
OFKU0 Junk	Obviously an aweful event. Now don't go jumping on me,,..I'm not blaming the girl. But what was she doing as a 15 year old going to her friends house just before midnight on a Tuesday night, presumably a school night and where were her parents or the parents of the other girl? __________________ " In Canada, you can tell the most blatant lie in a calm voice, and people will believe you over someone who's a little passionate about the truth." David Warren, Western Standard.

03-31-2005, 06:27 AM	#3 (permalink)
Glory's Sun Registered User	This guy will die a horrible death..and I'm sure it won't be an injection either. I'm not real sure on how NJ is with death penalties and such but I do know I'd hate to be in the pen in that state (or any other state).

03-31-2005, 07:48 AM	#6 (permalink)
streak_56 who ever said streaking was a bad thing? Location: Calgary	He should get severely punished for what he did. Just because a 15 yr old girl didn't kiss him? Thats bulls**t. It amazes me that some people cannot process that killing a person is wrong. I feel for her family, I really do.

03-31-2005, 08:09 AM	#8 (permalink)
biznatch Junkie Location: France	That fucker just took her innocent life away...that makes me hate this world sometimes, its horrible how things happen, so quick, so deadly. I don't hope he suffers, I just want that guy isolated from society.

03-31-2005, 09:05 AM	#10 (permalink)
liquidlight AHH! Custom Title!! Location: The twisted warpings of my brain.	It's stories like this one that make me wonder what exactly consistitutes "crueal and unusual punishment." In a case like this I believe that the punishment should be commiserate to the crime, which by my thinking rules out the possibility that anything that they could do to him would be more cruel and unusual than what he did to that poor girl. I'm just waiting for this story to progress, you know the next thing that you're going to hear so some freaking media hungry lawyer claiming that it was all an accident and the shooter is being victimized. Pre-emptively, what the hell was he doing putting a gun to her head to begin with? And OKFU0 I agree with you, why wasn't she at home in her bed and where the hell were the parents?! __________________ Halfway to hell and picking up speed.

03-31-2005, 09:09 AM	#11 (permalink)
Janey Junkie Location: Toronto	of course. that is a big question. and what was that guy doing with a gun for pete's sake!

03-31-2005, 09:10 AM	#12 (permalink)
the_marq All hail the Mountain King Location: Black Mesa	The fact that she "refused to kiss him" is immaterial to real issue going on here. Man killed a girl. End of story. The circumstances surrounding the event cannot and should not influence is guilt, innocence or method of punishment. __________________ The Truth: Johnny Cash could have kicked Bruce Lee's ass if he wanted to. #3 in a series

03-31-2005, 09:15 AM	#13 (permalink)
Carno Junkie	Okay, savages... Yes he did something horribly wrong, but that doesn't mean he should be tortured for it.

03-31-2005, 09:43 AM	#14 (permalink)
analog Banned	Shit like this happens all the time, I try not to get worked up over it anymore. There's not enough time for it all. He'll get his.

03-31-2005, 10:07 AM	#17 (permalink)
raeanna74 I'm not a blonde! I'm knot! I'm knot! I'm knot! Location: Upper Michigan	Well that girl sure had guts and principles. She refused to bend her will to his even with a gun to her head. I so wish she hasn't been the one to die. The world needs more people, esp. teens with guts like that. I hope he doesn't live long - at least not long enough to spawn any more maggots of his sort. __________________ "Always learn the rules so that you can break them properly." Dalai Lama My Karma just ran over your Dogma.

03-31-2005, 10:24 AM	#18 (permalink)
Supple Cow Americow, the Beautiful Location: Washington, D.C.	But does this kind of thing happen all the time? I think random killings (like botched robberies) probably happen all the time. Jealous lovers, stalkers, unrequited love... those kinds of motivations (while not excusing any crime) make more sense for this kind of ending. This is just so atrocious to me because he barely met the damn girl. I'm having trouble wrapping my head around this one. I almost think he must have been on drugs. If he has the kind of attitude where it's okay to hold a gun to an underaged girl's head and demand a kiss, doesn't it seem likely that he would have been arrested before for similar behavior? __________________ "I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. Twenty-six times I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed." (Michael Jordan)

03-31-2005, 10:30 AM	#19 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	For me it isn't a matter of whether or not it happens all the time or not... I refuse to get worked up over this because: a) I don't have all the facts b) I don't know these people c) I refuse to throw my emotions and energy into something so wholly unrelated to me. This isn't to say that it doesn't trouble me that this sort of thing can and does occur. It is just that I refuse to get worked up. I have better things into which to funnel my energies. __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

03-31-2005, 11:14 AM	#20 (permalink)
Stompy Banned from being Banned Location: Donkey	I dunno... reading through stories like this is kinda funny because everyone is all cliche with the "I hope he burns in hell" or "I hope he gets what he deserves" or "How dare he take another's life". That's all. Sucks that it happened, but that's life I guess. __________________ I love lamp.

03-31-2005, 11:37 AM	#21 (permalink)
Nazggul Psycho Location: San Francisco	15 year old girl, out at midnight, in the projects. Of course the guy is fillth and should be treated as such, but this is just a symptom of a much larger problem that has been debated to death for years. __________________ "If something has to give then it always will." -- Editors

03-31-2005, 11:45 AM	#22 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	Agreed, nazggul. This is symptomatic of a MUCH larger problem. It's not guns, though. This man was raised in an environment that allowed apathy and rage. This man was taught that it was okay to treat other people with no respect and to do what you want when you please. This man was taught that murder is alright.

03-31-2005, 12:24 PM	#26 (permalink)
0energy0 Insane Location: Title Town, USA	This is horrible. Who would do such a thing? For a kiss? Or to even pull a gun on her? How would she even pull the gun away away from herself twice? I assumed she knew the guy... __________________ Is the juice worth the squeeze?

03-31-2005, 12:26 PM	#27 (permalink)
JamesB Insane Location: Ottawa	Man I feel bad for humanity when I hear about these sick acts. __________________ -- apt-get install spare_time --

03-31-2005, 01:23 PM	#29 (permalink)
Supple Cow Americow, the Beautiful Location: Washington, D.C.	I wouldn't assume she knew him beforehand, but even if she did, I'm not shocked that he shot her. I am, however, shocked that so few posters in this thread seem to think the central issue is that he shot her because he (unsuccessfully) tried to force her to kiss him. Maybe I'm overreacting, but I happen to find it disturbing to be a woman these days. It's already common enough that rapists come in the form of thugs hiding in alleyways as well as romantic interests who don't know how to respect your boundaries, and I know that kissing doesn't constitute rape, but this crime is different (in a very fundamental way) from if he had just walked up to her and shot her for basically any other reason. When I read about it, I wished that there was another category of crime for this (outside rape and sexual assault) so that he would get all of the punitive measures appropriate for such an action. I guess that's the part that's so saddening (and frightening) about it for me. __________________ "I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. Twenty-six times I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed." (Michael Jordan)

03-31-2005, 01:51 PM	#30 (permalink)
cyrnel Adequate Location: In my angry-dome.	Supple Cow, to me, that he shot her for any reason beyond self defense puts him in the psycho category. Monetary gain, turf, or activism wouldn't excuse it, but they would at least follow societal patterns. That he appears to have done it in response to simple rejection says he was on the edge and doomed to snap. I'm thankful he wasn't smart or he might be out there planning his next relationship. I've noticed this type of crime - something so far outside my understanding - stops my identification with both victim and perpetrator in the hope of more information. It might hit closer to home if I had more information about the relationships, but my gut says the guy is a nutcase and we'd have heard from him sooner or later. __________________ There are a vast number of people who are uninformed and heavily propagandized, but fundamentally decent. The propaganda that inundates them is effective when unchallenged, but much of it goes only skin deep. If they can be brought to raise questions and apply their decent instincts and basic intelligence, many people quickly escape the confines of the doctrinal system and are willing to do something to help others who are really suffering and oppressed." -Manufacturing Consent: Noam Chomsky and the Media, p. 195

03-31-2005, 01:59 PM	#31 (permalink)
Cynthetiq Tilted Cat Head Administrator Location: Manhattan, NY	some people just suck. __________________ I don't care if you are black, white, purple, green, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, hippie, cop, bum, admin, user, English, Irish, French, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, indian, cowboy, tall, short, fat, skinny, emo, punk, mod, rocker, straight, gay, lesbian, jock, nerd, geek, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Independent, driver, pedestrian, or bicyclist, either you're an asshole or you're not. What's the best nation in the world? DO-NATION!

03-31-2005, 03:40 PM	#35 (permalink)
liquidlight AHH! Custom Title!! Location: The twisted warpings of my brain.	Something that I find really sad about this whole situation is that as despicable as the actions of the man doing the shooting, just think about the kinds of judgements that are going to come against the people that cared about him, regardless of whether or not they deserved it. I also think it's an excellent point that somewhere he had to learn that this kind of behavior was acceptable, who is teaching this to people?! I've got 2 young children and everyday I worry about them running into people like this, or that I won't be able to succeed at my job as a parent and that they will begin to associate with people like this and learn that this kind of behavior is acceptable. As much as I hate the politics and the extremism, there is something to be said for good family values. __________________ Halfway to hell and picking up speed.

03-31-2005, 03:55 PM	#37 (permalink)
Seanland Psycho Location: Ontario, Canada	The Question that needs to be answer: What the fuck are wrong with people these days?.......

03-31-2005, 04:59 PM	#39 (permalink)
itwasntme Upright	thats crazy

03-31-2005, 05:17 PM	#40 (permalink)
jorgelito All important elusive independent swing voter... Location: People's Republic of KKKalifornia	How much you wanna bet this guy is "mentally disturbed" and gets off cause of it? Because think of it: that's just crazy - the perfect defense. Please don't blame "gun culture" or at least clarify what you mean. I doubt (my opinion) that lawful guns caused this. Either the guy is nut (in which case he'll get off relatively lightly) or you can blame the ol' standby: media, video games, rap music etc. Plenty of other things to blame (except personal responsibility of course).