Man kills underage girl for refusing to kiss
 

Oh man, this guy should be on a hitlist....

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It keeps surprising me how seriously f*cked up some people are.
And to be honest, if this guy is convicted, I'd be surprised if lives to old age.

I'm against violence, but if I were the cops, it would've been hard not "think" he was "resisting" arrest...

When viewing the preview of this post, I noticed that my sig says it all.... Add to that a quote from the same movie "if you break [this rule] we will send you to whichever god you wish" (or something like that)

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This guy will die a horrible death..and I'm sure it won't be an injection either. I'm not real sure on how NJ is with death penalties and such but I do know I'd hate to be in the pen in that state (or any other state).

I hope he lines his asshole with barbed wire before he gets to prison...because he's going to end up living two kinds of Hell.

thats really awful :( i hope he suffers

He should get severely punished for what he did. Just because a 15 yr old girl didn't kiss him? Thats bulls**t. It amazes me that some people cannot process that killing a person is wrong. I feel for her family, I really do.

It's incredible how this people with their actions can generate so much hate and pain. I've always considered myself a peacefull person, against all acts of violence and anti death penalty, but there has so many things going on lately, that i'm getting to the point where i wouldn't mind if these people is totured beyond human resistance and left to rotten under the sun of death valley. I really don't like what these people make me feel...

That fucker just took her innocent life away...that makes me hate this world sometimes, its horrible how things happen, so quick, so deadly.
I don't hope he suffers, I just want that guy isolated from society.

Obviously an aweful event. Now don't go jumping on me,,..I'm not blaming the girl. But what was she doing as a 15 year old going to her friends house just before midnight on a Tuesday night, presumably a school night and where were her parents or the parents of the other girl?

It's stories like this one that make me wonder what exactly consistitutes "crueal and unusual punishment." In a case like this I believe that the punishment should be commiserate to the crime, which by my thinking rules out the possibility that anything that they could do to him would be more cruel and unusual than what he did to that poor girl.

I'm just waiting for this story to progress, you know the next thing that you're going to hear so some freaking media hungry lawyer claiming that it was all an accident and the shooter is being victimized. Pre-emptively, what the hell was he doing putting a gun to her head to begin with?

And OKFU0 I agree with you, why wasn't she at home in her bed and where the hell were the parents?!

of course. that is a big question. and what was that guy doing with a gun for pete's sake!

The fact that she "refused to kiss him" is immaterial to real issue going on here.

Man killed a girl. End of story.

The circumstances surrounding the event cannot and should not influence is guilt, innocence or method of punishment.

Okay, savages... :rolleyes:

Yes he did something horribly wrong, but that doesn't mean he should be tortured for it.

Shit like this happens all the time, I try not to get worked up over it anymore. There's not enough time for it all.

He'll get his.

^^^

Excellent example of how familiarity breeds indifference. This country needs to regain it's outrage over shit like this. I for one refuse to accept this as part of today's culture. It may be nieve, but if we become indifferent to crimes like this, we run the risk of losing our souls

If you'll notice, there is no shortage of outrage in this thread. This isn't part of just today's culture, occurances such as this is part of human culture throughout history. I would even make the uneducated guess that such things happen less nowadays than during other periods in our history. In the days of slavery and manifest destiny tragedy such as this was institutional and widely accepted, nowadays such things are largely isolated incidents.

Well that girl sure had guts and principles. She refused to bend her will to his even with a gun to her head. I so wish she hasn't been the one to die. The world needs more people, esp. teens with guts like that.

I hope he doesn't live long - at least not long enough to spawn any more maggots of his sort.

But does this kind of thing happen all the time? I think random killings (like botched robberies) probably happen all the time. Jealous lovers, stalkers, unrequited love... those kinds of motivations (while not excusing any crime) make more sense for this kind of ending. This is just so atrocious to me because he barely met the damn girl. I'm having trouble wrapping my head around this one. I almost think he must have been on drugs. If he has the kind of attitude where it's okay to hold a gun to an underaged girl's head and demand a kiss, doesn't it seem likely that he would have been arrested before for similar behavior?

For me it isn't a matter of whether or not it happens all the time or not...

I refuse to get worked up over this because:

a) I don't have all the facts
b) I don't know these people
c) I refuse to throw my emotions and energy into something so wholly unrelated to me.

This isn't to say that it doesn't trouble me that this sort of thing can and does occur. It is just that I refuse to get worked up. I have better things into which to funnel my energies.

I dunno... reading through stories like this is kinda funny because everyone is all cliche with the "I hope he burns in hell" or "I hope he gets what he deserves" or "How dare he take another's life".

That's all.

Sucks that it happened, but that's life I guess.

15 year old girl, out at midnight, in the projects.

Of course the guy is fillth and should be treated as such, but this is just a symptom of a much larger problem that has been debated to death for years.

Agreed, nazggul. This is symptomatic of a MUCH larger problem. It's not guns, though. This man was raised in an environment that allowed apathy and rage. This man was taught that it was okay to treat other people with no respect and to do what you want when you please. This man was taught that murder is alright.

Well, i'm first in line to be outraged at the gun culture that put a piece in the hands of someone capable of this crime. You in?

I second that. It is irresponsible to stand up for gun rights, but not try to make sure it will be safe for innocenet people.

BTW, if you think owning a gun will 'save you from the government', you're a few bullets short of a full clip.

Schools are off this week for spring break/easter week. Doesn't lessen the sickness of the crime.
NJ has a death penalty, has had people sentenced to it and yet has not used it.

This is horrible. Who would do such a thing? For a kiss? Or to even pull a gun on her?

How would she even pull the gun away away from herself twice? I assumed she knew the guy...

Man I feel bad for humanity when I hear about these sick acts.

Because Humanity is totally unrelated to you....

I pray you never have to experience what her family must be going through.

I wouldn't assume she knew him beforehand, but even if she did, I'm not shocked that he shot her. I am, however, shocked that so few posters in this thread seem to think the central issue is that he shot her because he (unsuccessfully) tried to force her to kiss him. Maybe I'm overreacting, but I happen to find it disturbing to be a woman these days. It's already common enough that rapists come in the form of thugs hiding in alleyways as well as romantic interests who don't know how to respect your boundaries, and I know that kissing doesn't constitute rape, but this crime is different (in a very fundamental way) from if he had just walked up to her and shot her for basically any other reason. When I read about it, I wished that there was another category of crime for this (outside rape and sexual assault) so that he would get all of the punitive measures appropriate for such an action. I guess that's the part that's so saddening (and frightening) about it for me.

Supple Cow, to me, that he shot her for any reason beyond self defense puts him in the psycho category. Monetary gain, turf, or activism wouldn't excuse it, but they would at least follow societal patterns. That he appears to have done it in response to simple rejection says he was on the edge and doomed to snap. I'm thankful he wasn't smart or he might be out there planning his next relationship.

I've noticed this type of crime - something so far outside my understanding - stops my identification with both victim and perpetrator in the hope of more information. It might hit closer to home if I had more information about the relationships, but my gut says the guy is a nutcase and we'd have heard from him sooner or later.

some people just suck.

I agree that that is the main crime, but the circumstances are most certainly not unrelated.

I think threatening an underage girl to get sexual favors is a crime in its own right, and should definitely count towards sentencing.

Heh, not quite.

You know how many stories like this rotate through the media each day? If we took even 5 minutes to feel sad about something like this, we'd spend every waking second of our lives in a depressed state.

No thank you.

Sad, but true.

Something that I find really sad about this whole situation is that as despicable as the actions of the man doing the shooting, just think about the kinds of judgements that are going to come against the people that cared about him, regardless of whether or not they deserved it.

I also think it's an excellent point that somewhere he had to learn that this kind of behavior was acceptable, who is teaching this to people?! I've got 2 young children and everyday I worry about them running into people like this, or that I won't be able to succeed at my job as a parent and that they will begin to associate with people like this and learn that this kind of behavior is acceptable. As much as I hate the politics and the extremism, there is something to be said for good family values.

Do you honestly think this young chap had this gun legally?

The Question that needs to be answer:

What the fuck are wrong with people these days?.......

id hate to get to the point of these things not affecting me.I do tend to let these things upset me more than maybe is advisable but that is so much better than it not affecting me at all.

On the day when all people can read a story like this and feel nothing is the day theres no hope for humanity.

thats crazy

How much you wanna bet this guy is "mentally disturbed" and gets off cause of it? Because think of it: that's just crazy - the perfect defense.

Please don't blame "gun culture" or at least clarify what you mean. I doubt (my opinion) that lawful guns caused this. Either the guy is nut (in which case he'll get off relatively lightly) or you can blame the ol' standby: media, video games, rap music etc. Plenty of other things to blame (except personal responsibility of course).