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sixate · 05-26-2003, 07:25 PM

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Neo-Nazi youths murdered boy, 17, for looking like a Jew

Three young neo-Nazis went on trial in east Germany yesterday charged with the "bestial murder" of a schoolboy. The teenager was tortured and killed after his attackers decided that his baggy trousers and dyed blond hair made him "look like a Jew".

The men aged 17, 18 and 24 faced charges on separate counts of causing grievous bodily harm, coercion, attempted murder, and murder by a court in the town of Neuruppin. They are accused of killing Marinus Schoeberl, 17, a white German, whose mutilated body was discovered in a farm silage pit near the isolated village of Potzlow, north of Berlin, last November, four and a half months after his death.

The accused, named only as Marcel, Marco and Sebastian, appeared in court to hear statements read out by their lawyers in which they confessed to the killing but showed no remorse.

Gerd Schnittcher, the chief state prosecutor, said: "The accused are part of an extreme right-wing scene. Acts of violence are nothing new, but we are dealing with a new dimension here. The details of the murder are so cruel that I can hardly bring myself to describe them. It was bestial."

The court was told how in July last year, Schoeberl had joined a group of young people in a flat in Potzlow where they got drunk. The three neo-Nazis in the group took exception to the boy's dyed hair and trousers. "They saw this as a provocation," state prosecutors said. Schoeberl was punched and kicked by the three who forced him to "confess" that he looked "like a Jew". The boy was taken to another flat in the village and beaten further before being dragged to a derelict pigsty on a deserted farm.

There, the prosecution said, Schoeberl was tortured according to methods shown in the film American History X, in which a neo-Nazi brutally murders two black men. In their confessions yesterday, the accused admitted to kicking Schoeberl's head repeatedly, which was propped up against a stone block.

In earlier evidence, one of the accused admitted to "feeling sick". One of the group admitted yesterday to "finishing off" their victim by hurling a heavy stone against his head. Schoeberl was then dumped in a disused silage pit. The dead boy was discovered last November after one of the assailants boasted of the killing to friends. One of the group then told police.

Police said they suspected that people in the village who knew about the killing might have closed ranks because of threats issued by the ringleader, a scaffolder with a record of neo-Nazi violence.

I'm speechless.
Are humans ever going to rise above actions and thoughts like this?
I don't think so.

eyeronic · 05-26-2003, 07:28 PM

Certainly makes me feel sick. Pretty awful. Never surprised by the violence of humans. Disgusted, but not surprised.

BBtB · 05-26-2003, 07:32 PM

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Originally posted by sixate

Are humans ever going to rise above actions and thoughts like this?

The answer to that is. No. Nowhere in the near future atleast (next 500 years) This has been going on for thousands (if not millions) of years. While we HAVE become more aware of it in the last 50 years. For the first time starting to see it as wrong as a socitey. I do not see racism and just ingeneral hatred dieing out anytime soon.

spectre · 05-26-2003, 07:43 PM

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Originally posted by sixate
Are humans ever going to rise above actions and thoughts like this?
I don't think so.

No, because there are too many sick and twisted fucks out there for this to ever stop. This is beyond disgusting.

Janie · 05-26-2003, 07:52 PM

Shocking.... I cannot bring my mind to even begin to conceive how such an act can be humanly possible.

krwlz · 05-26-2003, 08:00 PM

I know I could not ever bring myself to do this. I believe in mercy even in death...If someone needs to die, a bullet in the back of the skull is much easier and quicker then torture.

Not that this boy needed to die, but I believe his attackers do...and I would recomend execution style...on the knees, bullets in the back of the head...Quick, painless, efficient.

neilz0r · 05-26-2003, 08:08 PM

truly disgusting... just plain disturbing
HOwever, American History X is a movie that i believe everyone should see. It really shows the stupidity and pointlessness of racism, and is just a damn good movie. Go watch it if you havn't seen it and learn something.

darksparkles · 05-26-2003, 08:31 PM

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Originally posted by neilz0r
truly disgusting... just plain disturbing
HOwever, American History X is a movie that i believe everyone should see. It really shows the stupidity and pointlessness of racism, and is just a damn good movie. Go watch it if you havn't seen it and learn something.

agreed.

Lebell · 05-26-2003, 09:45 PM

This is why those who do not know the lessons of history are doomed to repeat it's mistakes.

In this case, the lesson is to recognize and be vigilant against the dark side of humanity.

Unfortunately, we seem to forget it pretty easily and are in need of constant reminders.

komodo · 05-26-2003, 09:49 PM

Maybe it's time we all died off and gave some other species a shot...

I hear there's a species of semi-sentient crows in Africa.

Edit: turns out they're ravens.

darksparkles · 05-26-2003, 09:52 PM

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Originally posted by komodo
Maybe it's time we all died off and gave some other species a shot...

I hear there's a species of semi-sentient crows in Africa.

Edit: turns out they're ravens.

whether those ones are ravens or not, crows are pretty damn smart, i'm sure they could take over.

Porkchop · 05-27-2003, 05:37 AM

Crazy bastards.

Daval · 05-27-2003, 05:47 AM

it's things like this that make my views on capital punishment waver. I hope they rot for eternity. None of this parole bullshit, put them in a cage for the rest of their lives.

05-27-2003, 06:03 AM

Time to dust off old Hammurabi's code.

Bring your own rocks and stones....

Glory's Sun · 05-27-2003, 06:10 AM

This is a pretty shocking story. They should be tortured just like they tortured the boy they killed. Make them suffer some.

Troublebot · 05-27-2003, 06:13 AM

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Originally posted by Daval
it's things like this that make my views on capital punishment waver. I hope they rot for eternity. None of this parole bullshit, put them in a cage for the rest of their lives.

Only if they're in isolation. Why allow them a life of spewing their hate to a captive audience, who can then leave and infect others? I don't care if solitary for life is cruel, these animals shouldn't get the priviliges we give others.

qpid · 05-27-2003, 06:30 AM

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Originally posted by darksparkles
whether those ones are ravens or not, crows are pretty damn smart, i'm sure they could take over.

Have you ever seen an elephant fly?

Well I've seen a housefly

I've seen a dragonfly

I saw a peanut stand, heard a rubber band,
I saw a needle that winked its eye.
But I think I will have seen everything
When I see an elephant fly.

I saw a front porch swing, heard a diamond ring,
I saw a polka-dot railroad tie.
But I think I will have seen everything
when I see an elephant fly.

I seen a clothes horse, he r'ar up and buck
And they tell me that a man made a vegetable truck
I didn't see that, I only heard
But just to be sociable I'll take your word

I heard a fireside chat, I saw a baseball bat
And I just laughed till I thought I'd die
But I'd be done see'n about everything
when I see an elephant fly.

World's King · 05-27-2003, 09:12 AM

He just looked Jewish?

How do you look Jewish?

guthmund · 05-27-2003, 09:17 AM

I was thinking the same thing

Seen the crow remark and Hekyll and Jekyll kept running through my head as well.

I don't condone killing these ass clowns. They killed a kid who "looked like a jew," well, now they're going to prison where they'll "look like fresh bitch meat." I hope to see decades of violent ass raping in these boys future.

Sun Tzu · 05-27-2003, 09:23 AM

Ignorant, mentally-ill, or just plain evil; whatever that word means

this ties into a thread ARTelevision created

http://tfproject.org/tfp/showthread....&threadid=8151

WhoaitsZ · 05-27-2003, 10:42 AM

this is why i believe in the Death Penalty. I know they are in Germany, but still, I do not expect anyone to pay for these assholes to live.

$1 or so for three bullets. throw them in a fire or acid. problem solved.

these guys have no rights any longer. get them out of the gene pool.

fucking assholes.

arael · 05-27-2003, 01:45 PM

This is damn appalling... how do you look like a Jew? This is fucked up...

GoldenOuroboros · 05-27-2003, 03:03 PM

Yes how DOES one look like a jew?

There are just some people in this world that just shouldn't exsist.

krwlz · 05-27-2003, 03:56 PM

Im am sick of everyone being vengeful...It does nothing to absolve the hate we are talking about. It feeds it. They simply need to be executed. When a dog goes rabid and bites, you do not toture it, no matter how much damage it caused...you just take it outback and shoot it.

They need not be punished simply for taking the biys life brutaly and disgustingly, but they need to be taken from this world, so that they can not cause more harm.

Also, if we torture them, they become martyrs...Idealy their names are forgotton within a year.

Eviltree · 05-27-2003, 05:15 PM

That is seriously disturbed

eribrav · 05-27-2003, 05:27 PM

It's so important to remember that despite what we all wish, true evil does continue to exist in this world.

People talk about the Holocaust and say things like "never again". You can say it and feel it and pray for it, but the reality is that the next act of genocide is never too far off in the future. Better to fight evil head on, with force and violence when necessary, than to sit back and wait for more tragedies.

I think there are many in America who would stand by and watch idly while genocide occured elsewhere. The best way to avoid being a victim is to be forewarned and most importantly armed.

Frowning Budah · 05-27-2003, 07:30 PM

I am usually one of those bleeding heart liberals, but something like this makes me say execute the perps. That kind of thing needs to be stomped out hard and fast. Prison isn't the answer they will just end up with others who believe like they do.

PitViper401 · 05-27-2003, 08:10 PM

this is one of those times you just dust of Hammurabi's Code and put it to good use ...

LurkingTyrant · 05-27-2003, 08:25 PM

Well, this is an interesting post to make my Tilted debut, but I'd been waiting for something to stir me to words. I think I'm going to be the only person to post that does not wish for the boys to be killed OR tortured. Like krwlz said, there is something very wrong with them, like a rabid dog. In my opinion, we should not kill them, but rather treat their rather severe mental illness and try and make them useful members of society again. I don't believe that any person is born evil, or is inherently evil. All people are motivated by trying to avoid suffering- they just happen to use the jewish population as a scapegoat, and act accordingly. I can't think of why this would make sense to them, but it does. With enough care and time, we can quell their hatred into something more productive.

However, if those two boys die, it is just a situation of three deaths instead of one. Three families that have to bury a child, not one. More death won't solve anything, the problem must be attacked from its root.

Er... please don't hate me?

Edit: I don't feel like I made it clear enough how very angry the actions of these bastards and others in our own nation (I.e, Matthew Shepard's assaultants) made me feel

MSD · 05-27-2003, 08:39 PM

The problem with this sort of thing is that no matter what you do, I don't think you can reprogram the mind of a racist. Even if it is possible, I'd rather have someone in jail for life than risk releasing them and having them kill again.

Macheath · 05-27-2003, 09:26 PM

This is just stomach churning, but it's not enough to say "thank God we don't live in Germany" or "There, but for the grace of God, go us".

As eribrav said, how many would stand idly by in the face of hatred and genocide? Have you ever walked out of the house "looking Jewish". Just before reading this thread, I happened to see the movie "Focus", based on the novel by Arthur Miller. I'll be starting a thread on it in Tilted Entertainment and I'm interested in knowing what people think.

http://us.imdb.com/Title?0246628

HiThereDear · 05-27-2003, 10:58 PM

Macheath -

your sig is quite apropos to the thread. Wonder if it's true?

I think humankind will one day rise above this shit. Not that there won't always be defective minds like theirs, but even now their racism is still acceptable in society. It may be underground, or just in the homes, but these murderers are products of the racism that's still widespread in society. One day even that will have been defeated.

BBtB · 05-27-2003, 11:24 PM

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Originally posted by LurkingTyrant
I don't believe that any person is born evil, or is inherently evil. .... With enough care and time, we can quell their hatred into something more productive.

However, if those two boys die, it is just a situation of three deaths instead of one. .... . More death won't solve anything, the problem must be attacked from its root.

To a degree I agree with you. I do believe that no one is born evil. I do not believe that everyone who IS now evil (for whatever reason) can be brought back. Some can. Others do not. I believe these boys should die. We should not try to make them suffer or anything. Their deaths should be quick and painless. I do not think these boys are worth the time and money to try to rehabilitate. Namely because I do not believe if we had infinite money and infinite time could we rehabilitate them. But thats just what I believe.

Phaenx · 05-28-2003, 12:01 AM

These stories make me very angry. Not much else to say other then I wouldn't want to be a victim like this guy was. Like hell actually, it doesn't even sound like this guy put up much of a fight, I can honestly say even when physically outmatched I'd have been trying to get at them to the end.

05-26-2003, 07:28 PM	#2 (permalink)
eyeronic I run E. Location: New York	Certainly makes me feel sick. Pretty awful. Never surprised by the violence of humans. Disgusted, but not surprised. __________________ I hold with those that favor fire.

05-26-2003, 07:52 PM	#5 (permalink)
Janie Insane Location: Greater Vancouver	Shocking.... I cannot bring my mind to even begin to conceive how such an act can be humanly possible. __________________ cheers to the motherland

05-26-2003, 08:08 PM	#7 (permalink)
neilz0r Tilted Location: Nova Scotia, Canada	truly disgusting... just plain disturbing HOwever, American History X is a movie that i believe everyone should see. It really shows the stupidity and pointlessness of racism, and is just a damn good movie. Go watch it if you havn't seen it and learn something. __________________ Beware the fury of a patient man...

05-26-2003, 09:45 PM	#9 (permalink)
Lebell Cracking the Whip Location: Sexymama's arms...	This is why those who do not know the lessons of history are doomed to repeat it's mistakes. In this case, the lesson is to recognize and be vigilant against the dark side of humanity. Unfortunately, we seem to forget it pretty easily and are in need of constant reminders. __________________ "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." – C. S. Lewis The ONLY sponsors we have are YOU! Please Donate!

05-27-2003, 05:37 AM	#12 (permalink)
Porkchop Psycho Location: Good ol Blighty	Crazy bastards. __________________ Be cool btch now btch be cool Sport 1976 Taxi Driver.

05-26-2003, 08:00 PM	#6 (permalink)
krwlz Fledgling Dead Head Location: Clarkson U.	I know I could not ever bring myself to do this. I believe in mercy even in death...If someone needs to die, a bullet in the back of the skull is much easier and quicker then torture. Not that this boy needed to die, but I believe his attackers do...and I would recomend execution style...on the knees, bullets in the back of the head...Quick, painless, efficient.

05-26-2003, 09:49 PM	#10 (permalink)
komodo Tilted	Maybe it's time we all died off and gave some other species a shot... I hear there's a species of semi-sentient crows in Africa. Edit: turns out they're ravens.

05-27-2003, 05:47 AM	#13 (permalink)
Daval Junkie Location: The True North Strong and Free!	it's things like this that make my views on capital punishment waver. I hope they rot for eternity. None of this parole bullshit, put them in a cage for the rest of their lives. __________________ "It is impossible to obtain a conviction for sodomy from an English jury. Half of them don't believe that it can physically be done, and the other half are doing it." Winston Churchill

05-27-2003, 06:03 AM	#14 (permalink)
Big Julie Guest	Time to dust off old Hammurabi's code. Bring your own rocks and stones....

05-27-2003, 06:10 AM	#15 (permalink)
Glory's Sun Registered User	This is a pretty shocking story. They should be tortured just like they tortured the boy they killed. Make them suffer some.

05-27-2003, 09:12 AM	#18 (permalink)
World's King Here Location: Denver City Denver	He just looked Jewish? How do you look Jewish? __________________ heavy is the head that wears the crown

05-27-2003, 09:17 AM	#19 (permalink)
guthmund big damn hero	I was thinking the same thing Seen the crow remark and Hekyll and Jekyll kept running through my head as well. I don't condone killing these ass clowns. They killed a kid who "looked like a jew," well, now they're going to prison where they'll "look like fresh bitch meat." I hope to see decades of violent ass raping in these boys future. __________________ No signature. None. Seriously.

05-27-2003, 09:23 AM	#20 (permalink)
Sun Tzu Conspiracy Realist Location: The Event Horizon	Ignorant, mentally-ill, or just plain evil; whatever that word means this ties into a thread ARTelevision created http://tfproject.org/tfp/showthread....&threadid=8151 __________________ *To confine our attention to terrestrial matters would be to limit the human spirit.- Stephen Hawking*

05-27-2003, 10:42 AM	#21 (permalink)
WhoaitsZ Crazy Location: right behind you...	this is why i believe in the Death Penalty. I know they are in Germany, but still, I do not expect anyone to pay for these assholes to live. $1 or so for three bullets. throw them in a fire or acid. problem solved. these guys have no rights any longer. get them out of the gene pool. fucking assholes.

05-27-2003, 01:45 PM	#22 (permalink)
arael Banned	This is damn appalling... how do you look like a Jew? This is fucked up...

05-27-2003, 03:03 PM	#23 (permalink)
GoldenOuroboros The Cheshire Grin... Location: An Aussie Outback	Yes how DOES one look like a jew? There are just some people in this world that just shouldn't exsist. __________________ Can you see me grin grin grrriiiiinnnning?!

05-27-2003, 03:56 PM	#24 (permalink)
krwlz Fledgling Dead Head Location: Clarkson U.	Im am sick of everyone being vengeful...It does nothing to absolve the hate we are talking about. It feeds it. They simply need to be executed. When a dog goes rabid and bites, you do not toture it, no matter how much damage it caused...you just take it outback and shoot it. They need not be punished simply for taking the biys life brutaly and disgustingly, but they need to be taken from this world, so that they can not cause more harm. Also, if we torture them, they become martyrs...Idealy their names are forgotton within a year.

05-27-2003, 05:15 PM	#25 (permalink)
Eviltree Psycho Location: British Columbia	That is seriously disturbed

05-27-2003, 05:27 PM	#26 (permalink)
eribrav Junkie Location: upstate NY	It's so important to remember that despite what we all wish, true evil does continue to exist in this world. People talk about the Holocaust and say things like "never again". You can say it and feel it and pray for it, but the reality is that the next act of genocide is never too far off in the future. Better to fight evil head on, with force and violence when necessary, than to sit back and wait for more tragedies. I think there are many in America who would stand by and watch idly while genocide occured elsewhere. The best way to avoid being a victim is to be forewarned and most importantly armed.

05-27-2003, 07:30 PM	#27 (permalink)
Frowning Budah Slave of Fear	I am usually one of those bleeding heart liberals, but something like this makes me say execute the perps. That kind of thing needs to be stomped out hard and fast. Prison isn't the answer they will just end up with others who believe like they do.

05-27-2003, 08:10 PM	#28 (permalink)
PitViper401 Banned	this is one of those times you just dust of Hammurabi's Code and put it to good use ...

05-27-2003, 08:25 PM	#29 (permalink)
LurkingTyrant Banned	Isn't that song from Dumbo? Well, this is an interesting post to make my Tilted debut, but I'd been waiting for something to stir me to words. I think I'm going to be the only person to post that does not wish for the boys to be killed OR tortured. Like krwlz said, there is something very wrong with them, like a rabid dog. In my opinion, we should not kill them, but rather treat their rather severe mental illness and try and make them useful members of society again. I don't believe that any person is born evil, or is inherently evil. All people are motivated by trying to avoid suffering- they just happen to use the jewish population as a scapegoat, and act accordingly. I can't think of why this would make sense to them, but it does. With enough care and time, we can quell their hatred into something more productive. However, if those two boys die, it is just a situation of three deaths instead of one. Three families that have to bury a child, not one. More death won't solve anything, the problem must be attacked from its root. Er... please don't hate me? Edit: I don't feel like I made it clear enough how very angry the actions of these bastards and others in our own nation (I.e, Matthew Shepard's assaultants) made me feel Last edited by LurkingTyrant; 05-27-2003 at 08:28 PM..

05-27-2003, 08:39 PM	#30 (permalink)
MSD The sky calls to us ... Super Moderator Location: CT	The problem with this sort of thing is that no matter what you do, I don't think you can reprogram the mind of a racist. Even if it is possible, I'd rather have someone in jail for life than risk releasing them and having them kill again.

05-27-2003, 09:26 PM	#31 (permalink)
Macheath Junkie Location: Sydney, Australia	This is just stomach churning, but it's not enough to say "thank God we don't live in Germany" or "There, but for the grace of God, go us". As eribrav said, how many would stand idly by in the face of hatred and genocide? Have you ever walked out of the house "looking Jewish". Just before reading this thread, I happened to see the movie "Focus", based on the novel by Arthur Miller. I'll be starting a thread on it in Tilted Entertainment and I'm interested in knowing what people think. http://us.imdb.com/Title?0246628

05-27-2003, 10:58 PM	#32 (permalink)
HiThereDear Insane	Macheath - your sig is quite apropos to the thread. Wonder if it's true? I think humankind will one day rise above this shit. Not that there won't always be defective minds like theirs, but even now their racism is still acceptable in society. It may be underground, or just in the homes, but these murderers are products of the racism that's still widespread in society. One day even that will have been defeated.

05-28-2003, 12:01 AM	#34 (permalink)
Phaenx The Northern Ward Location: Columbus, Ohio	These stories make me very angry. Not much else to say other then I wouldn't want to be a victim like this guy was. Like hell actually, it doesn't even sound like this guy put up much of a fight, I can honestly say even when physically outmatched I'd have been trying to get at them to the end. __________________ "I went shopping last night at like 1am. The place was empty and this old woman just making polite conversation said to me, 'where is everyone??' I replied, 'In bed, same place you and I should be!' Took me ten minutes to figure out why she gave me a dirty look." --Some guy