Almost Beaten To Death Over Pizza (video included)
 

Some guy was in line waiting to order pizza when a woman decides to cut in front of the entire line. The guy in line was on his cell at the time and told his fiancé "that the pizza might take a little longer". This angered the woman immensely and she proceeded to make the situation out of control with yelling, cursing and spitting at the manager. After her little rampage, she decided to call in her ex-con boyfriend (who happens to be a 6’5, 350 lb behemoth), who then proceeded to beat the man senseless breaking his eye socket and nose, chipping his tooth and giving him a concussion.

The pathetic thing about the whole incident was the fact that of the seven people also waiting in line, nobody tried to help, although I wouldn't be too quick to jump on someone that huge either unless I was certain everybody else would jump in with me. To top it off, the suspect only received four years in prison, which is an incredibly pathetic sentence for almost beating someone to death, and it was obviously not his first crime either.

Now, I don't want to turn this into a race issue, but it does annoy me that the suspects weren't also charged of a hate crime considering she stated "tell this motha fucka with his fucking white ass", we all know had it been a huge white guy stating "tell this motha fucka with his fucking black ass" and then beat him to a bloody pulp, it would have been a whole different case. Race aside though; animals like this shouldn't smell freedom again.


http://abum.com/?show_media=4766&fil...arlorbrawl.wmv

That totally just ruined my day to watch that.

I have some really derogaroty things to say, but I won't say them. You all will probably say some fairly neutral comments with unoffensive words.. but that's not what's in my head right now.

I hope he wins in cival suits... he should go after the pizza place too... how long did they wait to call the police?

This just pisses me off.

Wow, this is incredulous. If this happened to me, that S.O.B. gets out of prison and I would have a WHOLE posse' waiting to beat him within an inch of his life. Hey, what goes around, comes around...

It's really sad how people treat other people these days. A little politeness can go a long way. Should the woman have politely approached the man on the phone, and he in turn realize his fault and kindly let her go first, none of that would have happened. I know thats what I would have done at least.

Another thing that sticks out in my mind is how no one bothered to get involved. I'm sure no one wants to throw themselves in front of that man (ex-con), but even still, after he's gone, the others just continue to wait in line for the pizza! How about helping the guy who just got the living shit beat out of him?

I second that.

I don't understand that in such a confined place, not more would have jumped at him. Both the guy in the white shirt (near the door), and the guy just right of the camera (gray shirt), look like they could put some real weight into the struggle.

I sure as hell would've stepped in. And not passively either. (I'm no fighter at all so I would scope out the meanest first hit as possible and hope to god that triggers others standing by so I don't get beaten too.)

Anybody who goes into a senseless rage like that should be locked away forever. period.

I despise people who take the law into their own hands, but I could be one of the 'posse' waiting at the jail exit in 4 years.

Society today...I know that if more than one was willing to take a stand they wouldn't have stood around. It's sad how chicken-shit society really is...we're so tough in numbers...

That sucks.

Whatd'ya call the thing you roll the pizza dough with? :hmm:

That would have connected good into the back of that monsters head..I was kinda wondering too why everybody just kinda stood thier as if nothing happened. I wouldn't try to play hero myself, But if that whatchyamacallit was in sight one good swing and that fucker would drop or i would hope so anyways.

There was enough guys to take that guy down easy..

And to top it all off, the neanderthal steals his phone after laying him out.

Charming couple. They deserve each other (and lengthy jail terms).

I still don't understand why the lady got all mad in the first place? I don't understand why this was worth assaulting another human being for.

Saw this one the news but didnt see the whole video. The people didnt even really go to help the guy afterwards either, even after the big guy left. Thy must be pretty fucking hungry since waiting in line is more important than helping someone out who just got the shit beat out of him.

That big guy in the white shirt by the door was DEFINITELY big enough to have done ANYTHING to help w/o getting messed up. Hell, I'm one skinny-ass motherfucker but i would have done SOMETHING, even if it would be just a "hey get the hell off him, wtf man". That lady deserved to get layed the fuck out too, i mean damn. I wouldn't hit a woman, but that chick would certainly test my resolve in that.

Thats insane! I don't care how big the guy was, how could you stand around and just watch someone do that to a person! There were more than enough people there to stop it, I can't believe people can just stand around and watch.

I saw that video on the news last week. It was funny seeing the reaction on everyones faces in the Dining facility I was eating at when it showed. Seems like everyone said that if they were there they would have laid him out, but I wonder what the rest of us would have done if the situation had occured while waiting in line for food.

I, for one, know I probably wouldn't get involved unless I was sure there were at least two other people around. The guy didn't seem to be in a "listening to reason" mood at the time and there's something about getting your ass kicked for butting in while your waiting on a few slices of pepperoni...



Why does this story remind me so much of another story we talked about a few years back......

Found that link in the video's comments.

Unbelievable. Simply unfreakinbelievable. Between shit like this, and the fact that, for the second time in the span a week, I find myself in total agreement with something put forth by Rdr4evr...
I have a fear for our society, and humanity as a whole..

even with my size, i know i would have been on this animals back. My nails would have been sunk deep in his pigskin face . goddam fucking animal is all he is.

i know i would have, because I've been tested before. I've had to press the yellow strip on the subway before because a kid was being swarmed, and I held off the human (?) offal that was intimidating me until the police arrived, just through sheer guts, and the fact that they couldn't believe that somebody my size and gender would stand up to them.

You know, before seeing this video I was thinking, "Everyone says that they would do something about it, but would they really?" I thought that most people would say that they would, but being put in the situation would act a bit more cautiously. However after seeing the video, I gotta say that I would have done something, because that is just fucked up. I would have got a few people to participate in a good old fashioned ass whoopin'. Seriously, I don't care what size you are (I am a pretty little dude), you can mess someone up with a 2x4 to the face.

I would much rather kick the collective asses of the sheep who were standing in line not doing anything. No one even made a move for a cell phone to call the police or any authorities. Does anyone know what moves the staff made to help out the guy?

I'm curious what the guy previously did time for. As an ex-con, and for beating a guy up for basically just talking on the phone, no, 4 years is not enough. Hope the guy on the receiving end is alright. I don't know what exactly a broken eye socket is, but it sure sounds bad.

The woman apparently used the race card in court. She claimed that the man in the pizza parlor made racist remarks to them. It is a good thing there was a camera and witnesses to dispute this or the beater may have received an even lighter sentence.

Also the man who was beaten has filed a $25,000 lawsuit but the article didn't say against whom so I assume it is the pizza joint.

There are some real borderline crazy people out there. You never know what will set them off. I saw a similar thing happen once in a road rage incident where a guy dragged someone out of their car and beat him in backed up traffic. By the time I parked my motorcycle and got to him the beater had taken off. The only reaction by the surrounding cars was to honk like hell for us to get out of the way.

This is unbelivable I can't belive that no one tried to help. What is wrong with people today? I wish I would have been there I'm a big guy and i would have defintley pushed my weight around they need to thow the key away to his cell there is no point in beating somebody like that unprovoked. I could possibly see if he would have hit the girl that started it all but he made a comment that's all no reason to get beat like that.

he only got 4yrs for that? i think the punishment is a little lax. in situations like this, were everything is so cut and dry, meaning caught on video, and the crime just so brutal, they need to put people like this away for a long long time. ya know i get pissed at people sometimes but realize that if i was to punch that fool talking at 130db on his cellphone at the table behind me that i might do some time. just sad.

Thats horrible. I guess everyone was hoping that someone else would step out there and take care of that asshole, just like many other situations in our society - if we sit back and pretend its not happening, the problem will just magically fix itself!

The scary thing is, I can see myself reacting just like everyone else... Sure, its easy to say how I'm going to get out there and whoop his ass, but when put to practice, its not always the way things turn out. I'm not a big guy - I'd probably get broken in half and eaten - but it seems that even those fit to defend their fellow humans (like the white shirt guy) have been trained by society to stay passive and let the law enforcement/military take care of it, instead of taking up responsibility when it would make more sense to act NOW.

I'm only a 5' 3" woman and I would've done something. A few years back (before Tae Kwon Do training), I tried to stop a shoplifter in a retail store I worked at. The guy was 6' 3" and huge. When I stepped between him and the door and confronted him, we got in a shoving match, then he barrelled over me and broke the door down with my body. I hung on to him and proceeded to grapple with him in the parking lot. A crowd gathered at the door frame and watched as I pulled his Hilfiger coat off him, then his tee shirt. We had a tug-o-war over the coat (I figured it was worth more than what he stole) until one of the witnessess helpfully shouted that the guy had a gun (he didn't). NO ONE tried to help me! I just go on automatic when shit like this happens and I forget my size...
People are fucked up.

That guy could life and he would deserve it.

Okay, so let me get this straight: SHE cuts in front of the line, the guy tells his fiance the pizza will take a little longer as a result, and SHE freaks out and calls ex-con fucktard on him? What kind of fucking stupid bitch does that?

Kinda reminds of Seinfeld's last episode. The court shoulded have apply "the good samaritan law", you know.

This is the most fucked up thing I've seen in a while. Why shit like this continues to happen is beyond me. Like people above said, I would also have tried to do something. But I also have my doubts that it would be as simple as helping the guy out. I mean, if you had sucker punched the big guy as he was beating him up, you'd probably be staring at a civil suit right now. God forbid that the lady jumped in and you ended up hitting her. Even though they started it (for no fucking reason) they'd still try to sue you out of house and home.

If there's anything I've learned, it's that this society punishes people who try to do "the right thing". And that's why I can't blame people who just stood by and watched. I lose my faith in humanity a little more each day.

This REALLY isn't a thread jack, but stories like this are why I conceal carry.

Yeah...I think that just made me want to step up from the knife I usually carry to getting a concealed carry permit. That was senseless but I can understand the other people being reluctant to jump into a beating like that. But what I CAN'T understand is the docile looking at it like what's going on without at least calling the cops or something. The workers should have had the phone in hand dailing the cops the second she started yelling and spitting on the employees.

what the fuck? That's some bullshit right there. I don't give a fuck who you are or how big you are.. you don't have the right to do that shit for no reason. I can't believe all those idiots just stood there and watched. One guy wouldn't even look over. They should get sentences for being pussies. I'm not a big guy but I can pretty much promise you I'd have stepped in to help at least. Plus the big ex-con isn't that hardcore anyway..his punches are fucking weak and slow. This shit pisses me off. As far as the race card goes.. it's all bullshit. Even if the guy who got his ass beat said something that wasn't PC so what? It's not against the law and the bitch could have just said something to him and left it at that. I can only hope this shit happens one day while I'm around.. I'll put my Muay Thai training to good use.

Shit like this is why I hate everyone. WHY. WHY would none of the like 5 people standing there at least say "hey man c'mon calm down". That guy in the white as stated before definitley could have done something. Often times everyone's ready to jump in but no one wants to be the first as they're afraid they'll be the only. I just can't understand why no one does anything.

YEARGH

Good, I'm kind of in the mood for a little stir-fry. Anything, but pizza, eh? :)

I don't have the words to tell you how much I agree with you. The saddest thing about this is everybody just fucking stood there and watched this guy get his ass beat. Didn't even move to help even after the guy left the store, just stood in line like a bunch of fucking sheep.

I don't fight much myself, but I guarantee that I'm not going to stand around watch something like that happen.

I hope he gets his $20,000.

I hope that 'lady' gets what's coming to her as well. If there's any poetic justice in the world, she'll contract some disease or physical ailment that keeps her from opening her big fat fucking mouth ever again.

I hope that the 'grade A thug' gets a great big ol' bunkmate who's just broke up with his 'boyfriend.' I hope they become real good friends.

Rdr4ever is absolutely right. This guy should never be let out of his cage again. He's nothing more than a thug and thugs are about as worthless in my eyes as a big pile of steaming shit.

oh man, to have been on that jury....

I just dont understand why nobody fucking helped. Its kind of like a story I heard on the radio this morning. A metro atlanta cop called in talking about a call he'd been dispatched to last nite...the message he got was a man on the side of the road yelling.

He gets to where the guy is and it turns out it was a disabled man sitting at a bus stop that had fallen so far forward in his wheelchair he couldnt upright himself....he was yelling for help....he sat in the pouring down rain for an hour with people getting off busses and fucking ignoring him.

sorry...I know that was kind of off topic, but I just wonder where the hell peoples fucking brains are (yes this makes me very angry)

I know it's been said already but seriously, what the fuck is wrong with people?

That's amazing how people just stood there. I hope I never see something like that happen in my lifetime where I live. I have a feeling all it would have taken was one other person to stand up to this guy for him to back off. I don't care how big you are, being outnumbered in a fight is not fun.

I know she shouldn't have gotten "all up in his grill" but he should have met her. When I watched it, it looked like he sort of met eyes with her and got into a yelling contest. He should have just shut the fuck up, or plead for his life. Either one would have been better than what he did. Actually, I think if I were him I would have pointed to the manager, but I think he ran off to the back lol. Like everyones been saying, you had about five good sized adult males in the place, who could have very easily came up from behind and put him into a choke hold or nail him in the balls. If I were there I would have been thinking, "MUST LOOK FOR A BLUNT OBJECT!" *sigh* whats the world coming to...


**edit**

On a side note I would like to go ahead and make a prediction. Within 6 months their will be a picture or video of this with the word Pwned involved...thank you.

damn.... over a pizza.

And people give you strange looks when you say society is irretreivable messed up. Its a pizza. If you cut in line, you deserve whatever snide remark someone gives you. Hell, you deserve to told off by the whole parlor, not just the one guy you cut off. Then when you make a fuss about it, you deserve to be thrown out. Then, when you or your tank of an ex-con hubby starts wailing on the guy, you deserve FAR more than four years. You also deserve the shitbeating of your life.

I'm 6'1" and about 150 pounds. I would have either reached over the counter, or asked one of the pizza guys to hand me something hard, and whatever I got would have come sailing down on that guy's skull. I wouldn't have cared if it bounced off his head and he started to beat me up. It's common decency, and that guy was wrong. And there is a point when one person is out of control that words won't slow him down -- no, you have to bring him down.

I imagine if I started, someone else would have popped out of their pizza-induced haze and given me a hand. Or a rolling pin.

I try and I try not to be racist, and for the most part, I believe I do a good job. But there's a mentality out there in a few minority groups that theyre better, or that they have the right to be as bad-ass as they want, to make up for oppression years passed. No, no you don't. You just sit down in your chair and behave like the rest of the class. Thankyou.

It's seeing things like this that make me wonder just exactly how trained we are. I mean, we all say we would do something about what was going on there, but how many of us really would? We've been conditioned not to take action -- just let the bad man have his way and it'll all be over soon enough. And like someone mentioned a few posts up, you might get in trouble for trying to stop that peice of shit and end up in some deep shit over doing the right thing. Inaction is safe.

I almost believe that we are complacent and conditioned enough to accept a police state.

Imagine that instead of a large ex-con coming in and beating the hell out of that guy, it's a group of secret police coming to take him away. The other people there would, again, stand by and do nothing.

We're all fucking sheep. I think 90% of us would play it safe as well. It's so disgusting to watch that happen, at least to me, because I can imagine doing the same exact thing. I'm part of this crazy, fucked up system and there's nothing I can do about that.


I hope that the guy on the cellphone makes a fast recovery and the asshole couple get what they deserve too. I just don't see it happening, though. Our sense of justice is twisted.

You know, its really easy to say, "I woulda done something," but it is another matter entirely when you are right there. Sometimes, crazy stuff happens and people aren't prepared to deal with it. THe whole thing might last 25 seconds, but they spend 30 seconds saying, "Holy shit, I better do something." And every time the guy throws a punch, they think, "Well, its over now."

I was once with a group of friends (one of whom was a fairly bad-ass black-belt who later became a SEAL) when a simar thing happened. We were standing around drinking and acting stupid, and someone who we barely knew blew up on my friend (not the SEAL-guy). He yelled at him, reached out and tore his earring out of his head, and punched him down. He yelled something else, then walked out the door.

What was remarkable was that even though we were all good friends, NOBODY did anything until the guy walked away. We were all ready to kick some ass 30 seconds after the guy walked out the door. But during the 10 second yelling/punching event, every single one of us stood there and went, "HUH?!"

You never really know what you'll do until you do it.

I could see not stepping in to stop the monster (not a man, just a fucking monster), but why the hell were those people just standing there while the person bled on the floor. It almost gives credibility to the bystander effect.

Worst part about that is, if that dude was carrying, and shot his assailant, it would still turn out badly. White guy shoots unarmed black guy. Not going to look very good for him, whether or not he was truly justified in defending himself with it.

We as a collective society grow closer to destroying ourselves everyday.

I think those people who stood around and watched that guy get beaten need to be charged with accessory to attempted murder or assault with a deadly weapon. Fucking outrageous.

I know there are a lot of people in here who say "Would you really do anything?" I can, for a fact, say that yes, I would. I have never, in my entire life, backed down from a fight. Yes, I have had my ass beaten before, but that hasn't stop me. I would have been going at that mother fucker as hard as I could.

I remember, here in Colorado a few months back, a black couple got in an arguement with a white guy over something stupid (I think one party hit the other's car when opening their door). Well, the black male pulled out a length of pipe and hit the guy in the head with it. The guy produced his concealed carry, killed pipe boy and wounded the woman. He was let off the hook because he was defending his life.

Yea, I just saw this video like 2 days ago. It is unbelievable. I cannot understand how all those people in the pizza place would not even try to help him or break it up. That guy is huge but someone should have tried to stop it or something. They all just stood there and watched. Then again, I say I would have done something but when a situation like that does occur, you never know what you would do. But I hope that I would have done something.

That's good to hear, because upon erading Suave's statement I felt inclined to agree. Your recollection gives me new hope.

I am not sure i understand, never backed down from a fight? like some guy walks by you and calls you a jerk, then its on? or your cornered in a room with 12 ninja's and you got fight your way out!

I mean that I have never backed down, ever. If someone calls me a jerk, I will respond in kind, and if he wants to escalate it, then that's fine. Most of the time, people don't really want to fight. If you call their bluff, they will stop, and nothing will come of it. I would also like to say that I never start fights, since I don't find anything enjoyable about fighting. I keep to myself, and if you don't intentionally bother me, then we won't have a problem. I guess the reason is because I care too much about my own pride and saving face. I know it's a dangerous lifestyle choice, but it doesn't bother me that much.

And I say bring those ninjas on!

similar to Lebell, I also carry concealed for this exact reason. Had I been in this restaurant, I without a doubt would have come to this persons aid.

I've only been in one situation where someone's life was at stake and I was frozen in place.
I was a kid and someone was drowning in the lake. Luckily some gentleman wasn't willing to stand by and was able to save him.
I suppose I could be forgiven for not reacting, but from what is described in the previous posts, those people in line need to seriously question themselves, and what their responsibilities to other human beings are.



The link isn't working for me.
Is it broken, or is it on my end?

Wow, what a terrible videotape. It's hideous how little some people respect others. Everything else I'm thinking has already been properly conveyed above.

It works fine on my end, but here is a direct link from another source. Although this is from a news broadcast, so you're not going to hear all the non-sense the maniacs spew, but you'll get the picture.
http://mfile.akamai.com/12938/wmv/vo...13611.200k.asx

This is the mentality that people here are talking about, this is a disease on our society, complecency.

He was talking on his phone and that rampaging bitch started poking him in his face, which by the way for me personally is one of the most infuriating things anyone can do to me, then she started getting in his "grill". Why should he have to step down and concede that to her? He should've popped her in her mouth for stepping up like that.

People today are cowards, they stand for nothing and fall to anything. I've taken my licks before it would be easy to "plead" or shut up, but when you're dealing with ignant ass bitches like this it does no good, you swing back.

Thanks, Rdr4evr.
Neither one is working. It must be on my end.
Appreciate it, though. :)

That is sickening..... :|

classic case of bystander apathy, a rather common phenomena that has been tested repeatedly in psychology experiments. nothing really new or earthshattering that no one stepped in.

This reminds me of when I got a loaded, cocked gun pointed at my face for looking in the general direction of one of these ghetto folks. Pisses me off.

Meanwhile, a marijuana grower does 5 years in prison for growing two dozen plants inside an abandoned bus. Am I missing something? Pisses me off.

I saw this a few days ago on a number of different message boards and the responses are almost always exactly the same.

People like that are the reason why if anyone even approaches me in a hostile manner I wouldn't hesitate to defend myself to the death of all parties involved.

This circumstance really isn't a racial matter. Those two animals attacked a man who was defensless before them without the slightest idea of what their actions would do to him. To seperate them from animals would give them far too much credit - they're fucking animals that don't have the right to exist and should be exterminated.

No problem, let's give it just one more shot though. If this doesn't work, then it is definately your end :lol:
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/pizzaparlorbrawl.html

When I'm out with friends/loved ones in public, I often think of what would I'd do if someone just came up and started attacking them like that. For instance, in that type of restaurant I'd be looking for a metal napkin dispenser. A strong blow to the temple or the bridge of the nose with the corner of one of those suckers would be a good deterrent.

But to be honest, I don't know what I'd do if I saw some random stranger getting beat like that--especially if I didn't see any events leading up to it. I doubt I'd notice some woman cutting ahead of the guy in line and thereby starting that whole mess. And if I just came across someone getting beat up by a huge black guy, I'd probably be disinclined to jump in because the cynical part of me would think "The idiot must've talked shit to that giant black guy, that's his own stupid fault." or "Hmm, guess that'll teach him not to pay for his crack on time."

I really hope that dude gets the crap beaten out of him in prison. What an ass****. Was that really necessary, the guy was just telling his girl that he would be a liitle late. All because some moron cut in front of him. I hope she goes to jail as well, stupid bitch, all that for what, pizza?

I see your point clavus and I've been in similar situations. The problem here is that it wasn't a 10 second brawl.. it was a pretty lengthy (considering) fight (if you can call it that). There's no doubt in my mind that I would have stepped in to help at least. Even if the stupid people watching didn't want to fight, they should have at least called the cops or an ambulance. Also, to say that you could get in trouble for helping out..you might, but I just have a hard time believing that a jury would convict someone of assault when video would prove that you helped someone out. Push the fucker off the guy, tell him to stop and if he gets pissy with you then it's game on.

Nicole DuFresne felt the same way. Except now she's dead.

Let's back this up even further. What is the mentality of the woman that started all this shit, in the first place? Where does that type of behavior come from?

I'd bet you good money drug or alcohol use at some point during the day.

Split second thought after i read your question, I would say it had something to do with the victim being white.

Of course i don't know..She could just be the biggest bitch on earth and it was that time of month.

I couldn't really make out what she was screaming about except for all the "Fucks" & "Muthafucka"
She cut in front of him and he responded with a remark about it which could have been racial but i doubt it.. But i don't know. In my eyes when shit like this happens between white people & Black people, Alot of times in turns into a racial issue when in fact it has nothing to do with race, It has to do with the fact that she cut infront of him and whatever colour you are..You take your number and wait your turn.

EDIT:
From previous posts i read she said something along the lines of "Show this muthafucka with his white ass" That's enough of a racial comment by itself, I haven't seen anything posted on any remarks the white guy said..So he could have just as well mumbled something that was racist towards them which may have sparked the whole thing..

it doesn't matter if he said something racially charged or not. To me that doesn't even factor into the equation. She was wrong, he was wrong (if he said something) so it evened out. All she should have done was call him a bigot if he said something and moved on. You don't deserve to get your ass beat for calling someone a nigger or a chink or a spic or a cracker. It's that simple.

I can't believe that people can be so animalistic, or that the consequences for that kind of behavior can be so weak. Animals ony understand punishment when it's quick and proportional to the crime. This guy needed a good beating, a jail term days later isn't going to teach him a thing.

If I had been there I would have given him the beating of his life. I've jumped in to help pull people out from under a bully before and will undoubtedly do it again. Bullies learn the lessons of life best from a hospital bed.

this should certainly make a very convincing argument for concealed handgun licenses, wouldn't you think?

Its pathetic that all those guys that were already in there didn't do anything to help the guy who was getting his ass kicked. They all just stayed where they were and watch him get pounded.

If a person of a different race than me approached me and was saying something racist directly towards me, I would not call them a biggot and walk away. Sometimes people need to get thier ass beat to knock some sense into them especially a racist (I'm not replying to what happened in the video). I don't fight and don't find any enjoyment out of fighting, But if somebody called me a cracker or anything that offended me..I would defend myself to whatever it led to..Even if i got my ass beat, I would rather get my ass beat than backdown from somebody who thinks they can offend me, Thinking i'm just gonna sit back and take thier shit.

Anyways..I'm going off the topic, So i will shut up.

I think i've seen this clip somewhere else before...It said that the guy got thrown in prison or something....What a bunch of nice guys to stand around and do a whole lot to help the guy out...that upsets me!

One would think so. However I bet if you asked the bystanders that did nothing to help they would reply " Its a good thing that neither one of them had a gun, or I might have been hurt".

I understand wanting to beat up a racist..there's nothing wrong with that mentality. However, why does nigger have to be a racial thing? Nigger is a viable word. I'm not trying to offend anyone but it has it's uses just like other words do. Granted in this case the word could have been used in a racial manner but the bitch could have just called him an ignorant biggot and left it at that. She started the whole thing by cussing him out.. and scratchin him in the face. Like you said we're getting into a whole new subject so I'll just leave it at that.

I'm just guessing here but think this happened at 2:30 AM, maybe some drinking involved. People that have low self esteem and are pissed of at the world in general tend to go off the deep end easily. I don't know where it comes from, they seem to have been born with a chip on their shoulder and woe be to you if you come into contact with them at the wrong time. Just look at all the road rage incidents.

towards what end? imagine using your concealed weapon, you draw on the guy who may or may not notice in the frenzy. so youshoot. who do you hit? asshole bully or victim? even if you got Mr. Pig-ass, do you see the matter ended there? What do you think your day in court would do for you? manslaughter or assault, and a civil suit.

In addition, everybody is saying that the innaction shown was typical of similar situations by by-standers. It may be the shock of disbelief. But whatever, I doubt that carrying concealed weapons will be the answer unless you are a trained professional. I bet that by the time most people would think to draw their weapons, the same time would have passed as when (how many... zero?) people pulled out their cell phone to summon help.

The woman probably thought the guy was talking about her being black. That's how the story always goes. Black people are taught by their parents to be constantly ready to defend themselves against racism but they always take it too far. This isn't racism, it's an observation: she obviously took whatever the guy said too far. The article says she's claiming a racist remark...

If I were in that restaurant, I would have probably tried to hold the big guy back but I'm not sure if I'd actually try to "take him out." If my twin brother were with me I'd go all balls out on him and fucking floor him. I always look out for people that need help. I would NOT stand by and watch this shit go down like the idiots in there. There was enough people in that room to beat that guy into a bloody pulp despite his size. I can't believe no one helped. At least he was caught on tape and sent to jail (even though I believe his sentence should have been way worse).

-Lasereth

You may be right but If you were the one getting beat I bet you would wish that someone had come to your aid, gun or no gun. Hopefully if someone had a gun there they would not necessarily have had to shoot but if they did and I was the one on the ground getting beat, I would welcome the help. as long as they did not shoot me. :)

Look at those people standing there doing nothing.

Im 5ft 2in and female and I can tell you I would have intervened and yes! I may have been killed for it but I wouldnt have been able to help myself.

I absolutely shouldnt have watched that.That poor guy and the system that gives someone who does that 4 years is pathetic. :mad:

if you are licensed, then you've been trained. In the episode thats posted, almost no prosecutor or grand jury is going to indict you based on self defense laws. and a civil suit? never happen.

If you are the third party in (i.e. one of the by-standers, who failed to pull out and arm their cell phones by the way), it's hardly a case for self defense. It's at best a good samaritan application... which may be on the gray side, open to interpretation, AND civil suits.

I would have stood there I think, my courage isnt impulsive enough to manifest in such a fast and spontaneous situation like that parlor. It might depend on my mood, but who isnt scared of violent 350 pound ex cons?

I do think I would have rushed to the guys aid once the dude left the restraunt....

Though I would love to pull a gun on a bozo like that I don't practice daily with it. I don't want to carry a weapon that can be used against me. Try learning how to use your hands as weapons. It doesn't take a lot of classes for that and practicing doesn't mean you have to go to a shooting range. For those who do carry though I appreciate that you're out there. It's not my choice of weapon.

In texas, its perfectly legal.

http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/statutes/pe.toc.htm

§ 9.32. DEADLY FORCE IN DEFENSE OF PERSON. (a) A
person is justified in using deadly force against another:
(1) if he would be justified in using force against the
other under Section 9.31;
(2) if a reasonable person in the actor's situation
would not have retreated; and
(3) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the
deadly force is immediately necessary:
(A) to protect himself against the other's use or
attempted use of unlawful deadly force; or
(B) to prevent the other's imminent commission of
aggravated kidnapping, murder, sexual assault, aggravated sexual
assault, robbery, or aggravated robbery.
(b) The requirement imposed by Subsection (a)(2) does not
apply to an actor who uses force against a person who is at the time
of the use of force committing an offense of unlawful entry in the
habitation of the actor.

Acts 1973, 63rd Leg., p. 883, ch. 399, § 1, eff. Jan. 1, 1974.
Amended by Acts 1983, 68th Leg., p. 5316, ch. 977, § 5, eff.
Sept. 1, 1983; Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 900, § 1.01, eff. Sept.
1, 1994; Acts 1995, 74th Leg., ch. 235, § 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1995.


§ 9.33. DEFENSE OF THIRD PERSON. A person is justified
in using force or deadly force against another to protect a third
person if:
(1) under the circumstances as the actor reasonably
believes them to be, the actor would be justified under Section 9.31
or 9.32 in using force or deadly force to protect himself against
the unlawful force or unlawful deadly force he reasonably believes
to be threatening the third person he seeks to protect; and
(2) the actor reasonably believes that his
intervention is immediately necessary to protect the third person.

Acts 1973, 63rd Leg., p. 883, ch. 399, § 1, eff. Jan. 1, 1974.
Amended by Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 900, § 1.01, eff. Sept. 1,
1994.


§ 9.34. PROTECTION OF LIFE OR HEALTH. (a) A person is
justified in using force, but not deadly force, against another
when and to the degree he reasonably believes the force is
immediately necessary to prevent the other from committing suicide
or inflicting serious bodily injury to himself.
(b) A person is justified in using both force and deadly
force against another when and to the degree he reasonably believes
the force or deadly force is immediately necessary to preserve the
other's life in an emergency.

Once I get my own, I will be doing likewise.

This story dropped humanity another 2 pegs for me today. Seems to happen more and more often.


Just like being totally pro-gun cannot possibly work in every instance, so can being adamently anti-gun. I assume that your lack of understanding for the type of training a licenced concealed carrier undergoes, and the penalties for the actions carried out in such a circumstance, stems from your disrespect for the carriers themselves and a personal predilection for stating your own opinion rather than learning and understanding the facts.

Cellphones fall short of immeditely disarming or quelling the actions of an enraged or mentally ill person with a destructive path. While you're on your oh-so-important, just-as-effective-as-a-gun cellphone, that guy may be beaten to death, left to bleed to death, or be otherwise permanently/irreversibly injured by the assailant. The police will finally arrive, just in time to scrape what's left of the poor guy off the floor, and take a statement from you, the person who stood there with the mighty power of wireless communications- 'Cuz, wow, you saved the day. :thumbsup:


Also: It's sad to know that there are so many ways to put down a person (even that size- size doesn't matter) and that no one there even gave it a try. I'd have punched that fucker in the throat, let him hit the floor like the 2-ton piece of shit he obviously is.

He's just a savage animal, huh?

Is it really so impossible to have seen yourself in that guy's position?

Consider you're an ex-con, so you can't get a real job anywhere. You're working for shit, and you see that fancy cell phone with a camera in it which you can't pass the credit check to get.

Your woman has been in a bad mood all day long and now she starts screaming that some guy is insulting her. You see this guy yelling at her, who may have been using racial slurs (which if you're a white guy, being called a cracker is not similar. Imagine if somebody was calling your wife a cunt. That's probably as close as you can get).

You wouldn't have stood up to somebody calling your wife a CUNT?

So he's pissed and he overreacts. Now he's going back to prison for four years. When he gets out, he's got zero chance at getting a real job in the future. What the hell else is he going to do?

Like the people in the video, I probably wouldn't have done anything. I'm a pussy.

Yeah, that's an excellent way to solve life's problems. I couldn't imagine why people wouldn't hire this guy for a decent job. He's a winner for sure! :rolleyes:

The sound of that man hitting the floor would express what words could not. It disgusts me that those people could just stand around so calmy, with such indifference. I've been beaten up once. With well over 40 people just watching, I had my sense of diffused responsibility kicked all the way out of my head, much in the same way as my ability to say I've never been repeatedly kicked in the ribs. Lucky for me I've got 298 lbs of muscle packed mass and the skills to back up such an attitude. I don't care what your excuse is, what he did isn't something you should not be allowed to do.

You can't see me right now, but I'm playing the worlds smallest violin.

Boo-fucking-hoo. Don't be an apologist for these goons or their behavior. Everyone is responsible for their own actions, it's people and mentality's like yours that foster and sustain the victim mentality, it's not their fault they are criminals, get serious.

I see we haven't had any comments from anyone in Law Enforcement.

My wife has been a police officer for 15 years. She was a beat officer and worked her way up to Lieutentant. She has a bachelors and masters in Criminal Justice. We watched the video and discussed it.

Here is her take: Four years is a pretty stiff sentence for what is basically beating someone up. The strong sentence probably had more to do with his prior record. He could have been on probation. Just getting arrested on probation is a felony. All of that stuff leading up to the first punch is really immaterial. He said, she said. In Florida, threatening someone with the capacity to carry out the threat, is a misdemeanor. Punching someone, wherever, is a misdeameanor. Punching him again and again is a misdemeanor. Causing great bodily harm, which is defined as near life threatening injuries (which the guy did not have) is a felony. Usually the standard for GBH is disfigurement. He didn't have a weapon. He tried to lift the guy up to hit him, but he didn't stomp his face into the ground. People get in fights everyday and the guy that won doesn't usually get four years. I doesn't matter legally, but we didn't see it as a sucker punch either. He was facing him. If you're gonna get in someone's face you better be prepared for what might happen.

Re: a gun. If the guy who was getting beat up had a gun, would he have been justified in shooting the guy dead? By statute, he would have had to feel that he was going to die in order to be justified in killing someone. Obviously a jury would ultimately have to make the decision according to evidence presented but I could make a case that getting punched 5 or 6 times, when maybe you deserved it after insulting a guy, does not give you the right to shoot him. If you were one of the other customers, there is no way you could even be justified in pulling your gun in that situation.

I'll reserve the social commentary as to how our society deals with these guys but I am glad that I won't be seeing this guy in any pizza places for the next four years or so.

Cops learn how to diffuse situations like this too. I said 'what would you have done if you were there off duty?'. She said try to distract the guy. You have no legal standing in trying to break up the fight. You could get beat up just as easily. Maybe holler "Hey man, here come the cops!" . It really comes down to if you want to or not. It's not like the guy is your brother. He wasn't going to die, he was just getting his butt kicked.

What I saw was the guy looking down at the floor or his cell phone and then getting sucker punched. Then when he staggered to the door he was hit from behind and dragged back in and beaten. The cell phone guy never lifted a finger to the other guy, how can you and especially a police officer call this a fight, it was a beating plain and simple.

I can't believe a police officer would not step in to prevent someone from getting severely beaten like this guy was. I have seen plenty of fights before and this was definately not a fight. Do you or your wife really think the cell phone guy was engaged in a fight?

This guy got beat up pretty badly and I think the requirements for "fearing for my life" is too subjective to be left to a jury. Shooting would definitely be justified and heroic even. The punishment is too light - we can't have people walking around beating each other up. Also, what makes people think he's not coming after you (meaning bystander or who knows) next? If he was crazy enough to attack someone who was posing no threat in the first place then who knows what he's capable of?

People need to be held accountable for their actions. We need to send a message that it is not ok to beat people up to a bloody pulp (concussion, broken eye socket) and get away with a misdemeanor and no consequences. This guy will do it again.

yupp, another fine example of why I never leave the house (and why YOU should never leave the house) without three simple items:
Hankerchief
Pocket Knife
Firearm



heres NY's law's....
someone will have to tell me if I'd be arrested for shooting this guy...




but for the record, I would have shot this guy and expected to be lavished with praise for doing it.


and DDDDave, you wife has no legal standing to try to break up the fight when she's off duty? does her department require her to carry her weapon when shes off duty? All the LEO's I know (although I will admit to not knowing any in Florida) are required to have a peice with them at all times because they are expected to act as peace officers, at all times. If they don't require her to carry a weapon when shes off-duty, then I'll agree and say yeah, ok, theres no legal standing there, but if she is required to have a weapon with her at all times, then I'm calling shenanigans....

this absolutely sickens me.

Exactly, this was no where near the lines of simple battery as there was not a hint of mutual combat between the two parties, it was the thugster stealing on him plain and simple.

The law is very clear on when it is ok to shoot, or at least here in Oregon it is. The law basically states that it is ok to shoot when a reasonable person would be in fear for his life or that of another person. I train w/ my handgun no less than 6 hours/ month, I am not going to fire at someone unless I am positive of my target, and what lies behind it. Will the matter end there? Probably not....however I will not be charged with a crime because I'm not just going to shoot at the attacker, I'm going order him to stop and inform him that I am armed, and that I am scared (which i would be). If at that point he chooses to continue his assault, or worse makes a move towards me, I then would fire my weapon striking him at my precise point of aim. This probably will not stop him immediately, and I anticipate probably having to fire 3-6 shots to stop him. After the threat to life is removed I would immediately call for help for both the victim and the attacker. Will I be sued? Probably. will I lose the suit? Possibly, but not terribly likely. I don't care for the implication that somebody legally carrying a concealed weapon (having gone through the required training and background checks) would not choose their shot carefully, or jeopardize their own freedom by participating in a criminal act (assault or manslaughter), when in fact the exact opposite is the case.

Thanks again, Rdr4evr. It's working fine now. :thumbsup:

You guys need to go back and watch the video again. Then take an hour and watch it again. Try to put it in context. The guy no doubt said something racially derogative to the woman. She was pissed. Duuhh. She gets all up in the guys face and he and her are yelling at each other. When her boyfriend shows up he gets real sheepish. Uh, where's my phone? Uh. Uh. He was now in the middle of a confrontation with two pissed people whom he pissed off. What is he doing looking down at the ground or at his phone? If he was so fearing for his life why didn't he walk or run away? Could he not at any point have tried to leave? Did he put his hands up and say 'Sorry man, I didn't mean it' Looked to me like he knew what was going to happen. I counted 6 punches. Agreed, a couple were doozies. No one else in that room was fearing for their lives. No one walked or ran away or even screamed. The store manager even gets the guys attention and tells him to leave. The big guy didn't punch him or make any move towards anyone else.

All of the statutes that have been quoted put some onus on the affected person to try to get away, except if you are in your own home. Watch the video again, if you were the guy in the red shirt and pulled a gun from your waistband and shot him dead, do you honestly think that would be considered justifiable homicide? Do you know all the facts - maybe these two had a running fued - maybe they had fought before - maybe they guy who got beat up was an ex-con too- you don't know - but hey, you don't care and it doesn't matter, he's dead. You would not be a hero. You would be going to jail. The states attorney would press charges. You would stand trial. There would be people on the jury like me who would try to see both sides.

Don't get me wrong. I am certainly not defending anybodies actions here. How can you defend somebody beating someone else up. Ever see cops break up a fight between two guys with no weapons? They usually let them fight until somebody goes down on the ground and it isn't a fight anymore. It's a cruel world. It is something that the average person does not see often and is repulsed. Police officers see stuff like this all the time. They are much better judges of how things start, how they escalate and how they end than the average joe. That doesn't make them heroes either.

If she was in uniform, I doubt there would have been a fight then and there. If she was off duty- who knows what would have been done.. Anybody who says they know what they would have done is just spouting off, you just don't know till you're there.

BTW, no, she is not required to carry her gun on her person at all times.

The cell phone guy gave an interview on the news tonight. He said he told his wife talking on the cell phone who was waiting in the car that it looks like he will be a little longer because a woman in camouflage just got in front of the line. This was apparently what made her flip out. He made no racial remarks. At the trial of the attacker the mad woman claimed he made racial remarks but witnesses and the tape proved otherwise. He said that he thought the boyfriend was pulling the mad woman away in order to calm her down and he thought that was the end of it. Then he was sucker punched and doesn't remember much else until he saw the video.