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sierrajunkie · 10-09-2004, 01:21 PM

now, i know they say the lion is the king of the jungle, but who would win in a fight, a great big grizzly, or a lion. I know the female lions do all the hunting, but the males are much bigger. if the male fought it, who would win?? i didnt know where else to post this question.

KellyC · 10-09-2004, 01:26 PM

Considering the grizzly weigh about two times more than a male lion, I'd say the grizzly would win. I read somewhere a grizzly have been known to kill a black bear with one full blow.

radioguy · 10-09-2004, 01:28 PM

i would lean towards the lion. i think the speed and agility of the lion would outweigh the pure strength of a bear. bear's aren't the fastest animals.

KellyC · 10-09-2004, 01:32 PM

I beg to differ about the bear's speed.

http://www.nfb.ca/grizzly/bear.html

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Speed: Top speed over 50 kilometres per hour (30 m.p.h.) for a short distance. From a standing start, a grizzly can run 100 metres over rough terrain in just over 6 seconds.

Irishsean · 10-09-2004, 01:35 PM

Bear >>> Lion...

Speed is about the same, Bear can take a lot more damage, can deal a lot more damage, and isn't dependent on pack hunting to bring down food like a lion is...

Squishor · 10-09-2004, 01:35 PM

I think the grizzly can move pretty damn fast when it's in the mood. I think I read somewhere they can run 35 mph, not the fastest but fast enough to make an impact. I don't know how the lion compares speed-wise.

enderfax · 10-09-2004, 01:53 PM

A lion can out-run a hyena. I would say the bear though. They are both tough animals, but the size, strength, and stamina of a bear would rival a lion anyday. Bears can take multiple bullets and still prove a threat to a heavily armed man. Their hid is tougher, their fur thickers, and their claws bigger then the lion. The lion would not stand a chance.

This is just a general comparison. You may find the extremely dumb bear who tries to hump the lion then gets whacked promptly and made into a meal, or vice versa. So how can you really say? Hehe.

bundy · 10-09-2004, 02:04 PM

i think situation would be fairly important in this fight.

if it were to take place on the Kalahari where the desert lions are leaner and harder, the bear would be easily dehydrated and over-heated ... it wouldn't put much of a fight.

put the fight in a forest in the Yukon, then the lion would no doubt be under-prepared for the colder conditions.

if we could put a Siberian Tiger against a Grizzly Bear, then that would be interesting... my moneys on the tiger.

Irishsean · 10-09-2004, 02:19 PM

If were gonna go changing the breeds, I wouldn't want to be anywhere near a fight between a Siberian Tiger and a Polaar Bear. Can you imagine the carnage?

wnker85 · 10-09-2004, 02:21 PM

i agree that the location is important. In the forest the lion would not be able to run away and dart back. So the bear has the advantage. But in the sahara the lion could jump on the bears backs and kil it. And a Tiger I dont know ?

thatoneguy · 10-09-2004, 03:17 PM

The bear would win, no doubt about it. If conditions could be a deciding factor, then put it in a neutral area, not extremely hot, not extremely cold. In neutral conditions the bear would still win, so I figure the bear would just win overall, unless the conditions or situation was purposely skewed in the lion's favor.

Rlyss · 10-09-2004, 04:27 PM

I bet there's a 'lions and tigers and bears, oh my!' joke to be made, but I can't think of one

I think whoever got the first chomp would win, probably the lion because it'd be faster.

Fohur2 · 10-09-2004, 04:44 PM

Thats one the reasons bears are on almost every continent except Africa,cause there are more predator and they went extinct.But one on one I'd have to go with the Bear.

LeviticusMky · 10-09-2004, 06:39 PM

A Grizzly Bear is absolutely terrifying if you've seen one in the wild.

I was camping one autumn when I came across one lumbering down the hiking trail. They are absolutely monstrous. I literally was shaking in my boots. I KNEW that if it decided to get angry, I was DEAD. Those bears are scary as SHIT. Luckily it seemed to know that humans are just stupid ex-wildife and that it wasn't worth the effort to take me down. Or it just wasn't hungry.

I've never seen a lion in the wild, I've seen lions in the zoo, and I know that zoo animals are like shadows of wild animals, but a lion would have a very hard time doing anything to a Grizzly bear aside from making it angry.

A very good point was made earlier, Lions are pack hunters, a group of say, 3 male lions would probably take the Grizzly down, but it would be a good fight...

radioguy · 10-09-2004, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by KellyC

I beg to differ about the bear's speed.

http://www.nfb.ca/grizzly/bear.html

i had no idea a bear could run that fast. i've always seen them lumbering around on tv. i still vote for the lion, don't have a reason now, since it was shot to pieces by somebody

NbCal · 10-09-2004, 09:52 PM

Some Lions fought some Bears last month, and the Lions won http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/recap/...040912_DET@CHI , so I would say Lions.

namnori · 10-09-2004, 10:56 PM

I think of bears attacking with swipes, and lions attacking by biting vital spots on their opponents, or just mauling them. So I'd have the say the bear has a huge reach advantage.

Strange Famous · 10-10-2004, 12:35 AM

I like these sorts of questions, but this would be a one sided fight, bear wins by 1st round KO

MrFlux · 10-10-2004, 12:44 AM

Terminal KO. I'm going with the bear, those things can tear open cars like they're made from tin foil.

Macheath · 10-10-2004, 06:35 AM

What about a Dancing Bear vs. Seigfried and Roy's White Tiger?

What about Steve Irwin vs. David Attenborough?

So many possibilities...

Sleepyjack · 10-10-2004, 07:24 AM

Ha, i was talking about this topic (animals of differing backgrounds fighting each other)with some guys at uni a few weeks back. It turns out that there's a show on some cable network (i think it's the discovery channel or something like that?) called Animal Face Off.

Here's an interesting link to a game you can play with various animals (keep in mind there is 2 groups)

ANIMAL FACE OFF GAME

Anyway, by their simulation, they have the lion winning against a Brown Bear. THe lion would circle the bear until it got a chance to attack from behind. Anyway, they have some pretty good matchups on the site

Has anyone actually seen the show?

Rlyss · 10-10-2004, 04:28 PM

If you put this ape up against the lion, the ape would win.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3730574.stm

"According to local villagers, the apes are ferocious, and even capable of killing lions."

Hobo Moe · 10-10-2004, 05:25 PM

Yeah, what if a Silver Back fought a Grizzly Bear. That would be a awesome fight, and I would put my money on the Silver Back.

Between a lion and a Grizzly, I guess the Grizzly.

AIDs would kill them all.

Mephisto2 · 10-10-2004, 07:35 PM

One on one, the bear would win.

But seeing as lions (lionesses actually) hunt in packs of between 3 and 12, then in their natural environment or behaviour, the lions would undoubtedly win.

Mr Mephisto

Madd · 10-11-2004, 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr Mephisto

One on one, the bear would win.

But seeing as lions (lionesses actually) hunt in packs of between 3 and 12, then in their natural environment or behaviour, the lions would undoubtedly win.

My thoughts as well, bear > lion

dy156 · 10-11-2004, 05:54 AM

I saw the animal face-off show about a Siberian Tiger and a bear, and I think the bear won. Something about how its bones were far denser than a cat's.

water_boy1999 · 10-11-2004, 10:58 AM

Being a Leo, I have to say a Lion would beat a Bear 9 out of 10 times. The one time the lion would lose is when said Leo is drunk and/or stoned and taken by surprise.

clavus · 10-11-2004, 01:29 PM

Another reason the bear would win - bears have thicker hyde. It wound be a lot tougher for the lion to puncture something critical on the bear than vice-versa.

And, as alreay been mentioned, the bear is used to fighting solo. The lion doesn't have the experience going toe to toe with a foe without his/her backup.

bigoldalphamale · 10-12-2004, 08:16 AM

grizzly, kodiak, and polar bears would outlast any other land carnivore in a dual. they are just so incredibly powerful. i am tempted to favor a tiger over one of those breeds of bear...but i just dont think even a tiger has a chance. it would be bloody no matter what...but the bear wins.

Suave · 10-12-2004, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Sleepyjack

Ha, i was talking about this topic (animals of differing backgrounds fighting each other)with some guys at uni a few weeks back. It turns out that there's a show on some cable network (i think it's the discovery channel or something like that?) called Animal Face Off.

Here's an interesting link to a game you can play with various animals (keep in mind there is 2 groups)

ANIMAL FACE OFF GAME

Anyway, by their simulation, they have the lion winning against a Brown Bear. THe lion would circle the bear until it got a chance to attack from behind. Anyway, they have some pretty good matchups on the site

Has anyone actually seen the show?

I have. They had a lion win against a tiger, which I think is bullcrap. It's amusing to be sure, but not necessarily something I'd go off of. A lot of the reasons they say one animal wins over the other is either bias of the show's creators, or situational.

Suave · 10-12-2004, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by clavus

Another reason the bear would win - bears have thicker hyde. It wound be a lot tougher for the lion to puncture something critical on the bear than vice-versa.

And, as alreay been mentioned, the bear is used to fighting solo. The lion doesn't have the experience going toe to toe with a foe without his/her backup.

Male lions fight one-on-one all the time. The main pack behaviour is exhibited by the lionesses, who do all the hunting.

HeadyIncognito · 10-12-2004, 01:25 PM

xwesleyx · 10-12-2004, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by HeadyIncognito

Damn that Sgt. Grumbles

canuckguy · 10-12-2004, 01:37 PM

I'd say the bear, i remember reading a maxim mag and it had a picture of a tiger attacking a crocodile. crazy stuff. oh and the tiger won.

Bobaphat · 10-12-2004, 02:41 PM

A grizzly bear is a massive creature. I don't think an individual lion would have a chance in a all out fight. In reality, I think lions are pretty smart, and I seriously doubt they would even think about stepping up to a kodiak bear.

jalora · 10-13-2004, 03:41 PM

Forget who would win, where are you gonna find a jar big enough to put them both in? And who could possibly shake such a jar?

skibum · 10-13-2004, 06:45 PM

Actually, when the spanish were in Cali they pit Grizzlys against Spanish Bulls. The bears would win most of the time. The only time they would get beat is if the horns of the bull penetrated into a vital organ, and even then the bear usually killed the bull before it died. One case 2 bulls lost to a single griz. And in fact Grizzlies have been known to take out 1000 lbs bulls with a single swipe, usually breaking the neck. The griz is just an insanely powerful animal.

Anyways, betting became so poor the spanish brought in lions to fight. The bears killed the lions just as easily as the bulls. One swipe would take out the cats. The reason is bone density. The Grizzly has evolved as a diggin animal. Its bones are incredibly dense. High density bone meeting low density skull = a dead cat.

Combine bone density with their strength (a grizzlys hump in all muscle) and their ability to take damage you have an unstoppable animal. And actually, one case of a tiger and small grizzly comming together in a zoo is documented. I don't remember what book (want to say "where the grizzly walks" but I am not sure), but the tiger attacked the bear from behind, and before zoo keepers could step in the cat had its shoulders ripped out.

Psycho Dad · 10-13-2004, 07:30 PM

Da Bears.

Hobo Moe · 10-14-2004, 01:06 PM

I'm pretty sure a hippo could kill a bear.

10-09-2004, 01:21 PM	#1 (permalink)
sierrajunkie Upright	Lion vs. bear now, i know they say the lion is the king of the jungle, but who would win in a fight, a great big grizzly, or a lion. I know the female lions do all the hunting, but the males are much bigger. if the male fought it, who would win?? i didnt know where else to post this question.

10-09-2004, 01:26 PM	#2 (permalink)
KellyC Comment or else!! Location: Home sweet home	Considering the grizzly weigh about two times more than a male lion, I'd say the grizzly would win. I read somewhere a grizzly have been known to kill a black bear with one full blow. __________________ Him: Ok, I have to ask, what do you believe? Me: Shit happens.

10-09-2004, 01:35 PM	#5 (permalink)
Irishsean edited for content Location: Austin, TX	Bear >>> Lion... Speed is about the same, Bear can take a lot more damage, can deal a lot more damage, and isn't dependent on pack hunting to bring down food like a lion is... __________________ There are no absolute rules of conduct, either in peace or war. Everything depends on circumstances. Leon Trotsky

10-09-2004, 02:04 PM	#8 (permalink)
bundy . Location: Tokyo	i think situation would be fairly important in this fight. if it were to take place on the Kalahari where the desert lions are leaner and harder, the bear would be easily dehydrated and over-heated ... it wouldn't put much of a fight. put the fight in a forest in the Yukon, then the lion would no doubt be under-prepared for the colder conditions. if we could put a Siberian Tiger against a Grizzly Bear, then that would be interesting... my moneys on the tiger. __________________ Ohayo!!!

10-09-2004, 02:19 PM	#9 (permalink)
Irishsean edited for content Location: Austin, TX	If were gonna go changing the breeds, I wouldn't want to be anywhere near a fight between a Siberian Tiger and a Polaar Bear. Can you imagine the carnage? __________________ There are no absolute rules of conduct, either in peace or war. Everything depends on circumstances. Leon Trotsky

10-09-2004, 01:28 PM	#3 (permalink)
radioguy Registered User Location: Texas	i would lean towards the lion. i think the speed and agility of the lion would outweigh the pure strength of a bear. bear's aren't the fastest animals.

10-09-2004, 01:35 PM	#6 (permalink)
Squishor Frontal Lobe Location: California	I think the grizzly can move pretty damn fast when it's in the mood. I think I read somewhere they can run 35 mph, not the fastest but fast enough to make an impact. I don't know how the lion compares speed-wise.

10-09-2004, 01:53 PM	#7 (permalink)
enderfax Upright	A lion can out-run a hyena. I would say the bear though. They are both tough animals, but the size, strength, and stamina of a bear would rival a lion anyday. Bears can take multiple bullets and still prove a threat to a heavily armed man. Their hid is tougher, their fur thickers, and their claws bigger then the lion. The lion would not stand a chance. This is just a general comparison. You may find the extremely dumb bear who tries to hump the lion then gets whacked promptly and made into a meal, or vice versa. So how can you really say? Hehe.

10-09-2004, 02:21 PM	#10 (permalink)
wnker85 Registered User	i agree that the location is important. In the forest the lion would not be able to run away and dart back. So the bear has the advantage. But in the sahara the lion could jump on the bears backs and kil it. And a Tiger I dont know ?

10-09-2004, 03:17 PM	#11 (permalink)
thatoneguy Crazy Location: Omaha, NE	The bear would win, no doubt about it. If conditions could be a deciding factor, then put it in a neutral area, not extremely hot, not extremely cold. In neutral conditions the bear would still win, so I figure the bear would just win overall, unless the conditions or situation was purposely skewed in the lion's favor.

10-09-2004, 04:27 PM	#12 (permalink)
Rlyss The Pusher Location: Edinburgh	I bet there's a 'lions and tigers and bears, oh my!' joke to be made, but I can't think of one I think whoever got the first chomp would win, probably the lion because it'd be faster.

10-09-2004, 04:44 PM	#13 (permalink)
Fohur2 Crazy	Thats one the reasons bears are on almost every continent except Africa,cause there are more predator and they went extinct.But one on one I'd have to go with the Bear.

10-09-2004, 06:39 PM	#14 (permalink)
LeviticusMky Crazy Location: Minnesota	A Grizzly Bear is absolutely terrifying if you've seen one in the wild. I was camping one autumn when I came across one lumbering down the hiking trail. They are absolutely monstrous. I literally was shaking in my boots. I KNEW that if it decided to get angry, I was DEAD. Those bears are scary as SHIT. Luckily it seemed to know that humans are just stupid ex-wildife and that it wasn't worth the effort to take me down. Or it just wasn't hungry. I've never seen a lion in the wild, I've seen lions in the zoo, and I know that zoo animals are like shadows of wild animals, but a lion would have a very hard time doing anything to a Grizzly bear aside from making it angry. A very good point was made earlier, Lions are pack hunters, a group of say, 3 male lions would probably take the Grizzly down, but it would be a good fight...

10-09-2004, 09:52 PM	#16 (permalink)
NbCal Tilted Location: Newport Beach, CA	Some Lions fought some Bears last month, and the Lions won http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/recap/...040912_DET@CHI , so I would say Lions.

10-09-2004, 10:56 PM	#17 (permalink)
namnori Upright Location: Tx	I think of bears attacking with swipes, and lions attacking by biting vital spots on their opponents, or just mauling them. So I'd have the say the bear has a huge reach advantage.

10-10-2004, 12:35 AM	#18 (permalink)
Strange Famous follower of the child's crusade?	I like these sorts of questions, but this would be a one sided fight, bear wins by 1st round KO __________________ "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered." The Gospel of Thomas

10-10-2004, 12:44 AM	#19 (permalink)
MrFlux Fluxing wildly... Location: Auckland, New Zealand	Terminal KO. I'm going with the bear, those things can tear open cars like they're made from tin foil. __________________ flux (n.) Medicine. The discharge of large quantities of fluid material from the body, especially the discharge of watery feces from the intestines.

10-10-2004, 06:35 AM	#20 (permalink)
Macheath Junkie Location: Sydney, Australia	What about a Dancing Bear vs. Seigfried and Roy's White Tiger? What about Steve Irwin vs. David Attenborough? So many possibilities...

10-10-2004, 07:24 AM	#21 (permalink)
Sleepyjack Fast'n'Bulbous Location: Australia, Perth	Ha, i was talking about this topic (animals of differing backgrounds fighting each other)with some guys at uni a few weeks back. It turns out that there's a show on some cable network (i think it's the discovery channel or something like that?) called Animal Face Off. Here's an interesting link to a game you can play with various animals (keep in mind there is 2 groups) ANIMAL FACE OFF GAME Anyway, by their simulation, they have the lion winning against a Brown Bear. THe lion would circle the bear until it got a chance to attack from behind. Anyway, they have some pretty good matchups on the site Has anyone actually seen the show?

10-10-2004, 04:28 PM	#22 (permalink)
Rlyss The Pusher Location: Edinburgh	If you put this ape up against the lion, the ape would win. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3730574.stm "According to local villagers, the apes are ferocious, and even capable of killing lions."

10-10-2004, 05:25 PM	#23 (permalink)
Hobo Moe Upright	Yeah, what if a Silver Back fought a Grizzly Bear. That would be a awesome fight, and I would put my money on the Silver Back. Between a lion and a Grizzly, I guess the Grizzly. AIDs would kill them all.

10-10-2004, 07:35 PM	#24 (permalink)
Mephisto2 Junkie	One on one, the bear would win. But seeing as lions (lionesses actually) hunt in packs of between 3 and 12, then in their natural environment or behaviour, the lions would undoubtedly win. Mr Mephisto

10-11-2004, 05:54 AM	#26 (permalink)
dy156 cookie Location: in the backwoods	I saw the animal face-off show about a Siberian Tiger and a bear, and I think the bear won. Something about how its bones were far denser than a cat's.

10-11-2004, 10:58 AM	#27 (permalink)
water_boy1999 Fly em straight! Location: Above and Beyond	Being a Leo, I have to say a Lion would beat a Bear 9 out of 10 times. The one time the lion would lose is when said Leo is drunk and/or stoned and taken by surprise. __________________ Doh!!!! -Homer Simpson

10-11-2004, 01:29 PM	#28 (permalink)
clavus pow! Location: NorCal	Another reason the bear would win - bears have thicker hyde. It wound be a lot tougher for the lion to puncture something critical on the bear than vice-versa. And, as alreay been mentioned, the bear is used to fighting solo. The lion doesn't have the experience going toe to toe with a foe without his/her backup. __________________ Ass, gas or grass. Nobody rides for free.

10-12-2004, 08:16 AM	#29 (permalink)
bigoldalphamale Loser	grizzly, kodiak, and polar bears would outlast any other land carnivore in a dual. they are just so incredibly powerful. i am tempted to favor a tiger over one of those breeds of bear...but i just dont think even a tiger has a chance. it would be bloody no matter what...but the bear wins.

10-12-2004, 01:25 PM	#32 (permalink)
HeadyIncognito Crazy Location: PDX	__________________ Even Hitler had a girlfriend...

10-12-2004, 01:37 PM	#34 (permalink)
canuckguy I read your emails. Location: earth	I'd say the bear, i remember reading a maxim mag and it had a picture of a tiger attacking a crocodile. crazy stuff. oh and the tiger won.

10-12-2004, 02:41 PM	#35 (permalink)
Bobaphat whoopity doo Location: Seattle	A grizzly bear is a massive creature. I don't think an individual lion would have a chance in a all out fight. In reality, I think lions are pretty smart, and I seriously doubt they would even think about stepping up to a kodiak bear. __________________ --size matters not-- yoda

10-13-2004, 03:41 PM	#36 (permalink)
jalora Tilted Location: California	Forget who would win, where are you gonna find a jar big enough to put them both in? And who could possibly shake such a jar? __________________ Like my diamonds? The Devil himself gave them to me...

10-13-2004, 06:45 PM	#37 (permalink)
skibum Crazy Location: Colorado	Actually, when the spanish were in Cali they pit Grizzlys against Spanish Bulls. The bears would win most of the time. The only time they would get beat is if the horns of the bull penetrated into a vital organ, and even then the bear usually killed the bull before it died. One case 2 bulls lost to a single griz. And in fact Grizzlies have been known to take out 1000 lbs bulls with a single swipe, usually breaking the neck. The griz is just an insanely powerful animal. Anyways, betting became so poor the spanish brought in lions to fight. The bears killed the lions just as easily as the bulls. One swipe would take out the cats. The reason is bone density. The Grizzly has evolved as a diggin animal. Its bones are incredibly dense. High density bone meeting low density skull = a dead cat. Combine bone density with their strength (a grizzlys hump in all muscle) and their ability to take damage you have an unstoppable animal. And actually, one case of a tiger and small grizzly comming together in a zoo is documented. I don't remember what book (want to say "where the grizzly walks" but I am not sure), but the tiger attacked the bear from behind, and before zoo keepers could step in the cat had its shoulders ripped out.

10-13-2004, 07:30 PM	#38 (permalink)
Psycho Dad Mulletproof Location: Some nucking fut house.	Da Bears.

10-14-2004, 01:06 PM	#39 (permalink)
Hobo Moe Upright	I'm pretty sure a hippo could kill a bear.