Holo

They all suck, but the group is worse than the peeper, and here's why. Most peepers, pedos or not, are peepers because they are emotionally unable to interact with those they desire and so will look at a safe distance. Given the fact this was 4am I think the peeper was expecting to be left to his devices safely, tho his intelligence is dubious as well. He most likely wasn't going to risk breaking in and molesting the girl. If he would then he wouldn't have bothered peeping and jerking off at the window.


I also disagree that he would have escalated just because he's a pedo. Obviously he wasn't too smart in his methods of releasing his desire, but just becuase he is reviled by society doesn't mean he has no restraint whatsoever. Rapists are rapists, no matter what their choice of victims. Many pedos have no desire to harm a child at all, just like I have no desire to hurt women tho they are my sexual choice. Desire doesn't equal rape. He's not too bright to be sure, but that doesn't make him a rapist, just a peeping perv. Most wouldn't get too upset if he was peeping on college age girls, tho it's just as heinous an invasion of privacy, and most wouldn't automatically brand him a potential rapist for being a peeper of said adults. The important thing is no harm was done to the child by the pervert-time will tell if the lynch mob's actions will hurt her.

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Blackthorn

There's a certain amount of "He got what he deserves" that I feel for this bastard. Who knows what his intent was peeping in a 5 y/o girl. In any event these fools who took justice a little too far with this creep need to pay the price for their uncivilized actions.

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filtherton

How can anyone attempt to claim the moral high ground after meting out punishment that is hugely dissproportionate to the crime?

scout

I have no pity for either party. The perv may have got more then he deserved, especially since they returned one hour and nine minutes later to dish out more. The first beating I can't condemn because if I found someone outside my five year old daughter's room at 4 am masturbating they would be fortunate if they got away with their body intact. At that point I would probably lose all sanity for a brief period. I really don't know what I would happen but I would probably grab the first weapon I came upon and commence shooting or beating, depending on the weapon I first came across. But after the initial anger, and I guarantee that I would be one pissed off angry sonofabitch, I would probably cool off a bit and call the law immediately. But to return and do it again is a little excessive and for that they will probably pay a bigger price than the perv.

IShotAndyWarhol

I don't know what the people who committed the attack were thinking..well, obviously they weren't, but if I saw someone staring in at my daughter, my first thought other than to call the POLICE would be that taking matters into my hands would be the worst idea imaginable. I mean, after all, isn't there a not all too uncommon link between pedophiles and murderers? Every single person involved in this except the little girl is a jackass, and I have no sympathy for any of them. The fact that drugs were involved doesn't surprise me at all either.

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roachboy

jesus....how could anyone condone this?

what these people did had nothing to do with any conception of justice. a gang of fuckwits beating someone nearly to death, and raping the guy with a tree branch--that is not justice--that is attempted murder--and if he dies, it will probably be premeditated to boot---because they tore down one of the surveillance cameras.

"vigilante justice" is a contradiction in terms.

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Jam

The guys probably going to die... Id say he paid a fairly big price

Holo

Where on Earth do you get this link? I've never heard that. I think you may be getting that from all the media coverage when a child rapist murders a child, which I would bet everything is much much less often than molestation in general. Doesnt' make what molesters do okay at any rate, but to try to add another stigma to this hated group isnt' helping things. I've read extensively the stories of many of these ppl and many are far from violent ppl let alone murderous. Rapists and murderers and just that, no matter who their target.

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orphen

agreed. plus if it's on the news, it only shows how rare it is. if it's common, it will never make it to the news. How many news coverages are there for women who are raped? almost none these days. point is, child molestation is rare enough for it to make it to the news thus i think we can safety infer: pervert or pediphile does not equal rapist. again, i'm not condoning their social behavior but it's not ok to kill them...

Cicero

Just great, now I have the ‘dueling banjos’ tune from the movie Deliverance stuck in my head. Just to make things clear, North Royalton is in the middle of the Cleveland suburbs, and not a back woods town where you would expect to hear a banjo in the background.

IMO North Royalton, the town where all of this happened is a quiet upper class suburb much like the upper class Chicago suburbs portrayed in the movie Breakfast Club; the same type of suburbs that Jay and Silent Bob are seeking out in the movie Dogma.

Wow, look at all the movie references I made.

analog

Minding their own business, shouldn't matter. What business of anyone's is that? The little girl was sound asleep, not passed out drunk or awake partying. Of what consequence is this to you?

A very quick snap-judgement based on little to no information. Some people LOVE demonizing partying and drinking and using drugs (which could have just been weed, for christsakes) as the worst thing in the universe, when in reality it's a perfectly normal thing to be up with other consenting adults, enjoying adult beverages, and having a good time. Who are any of you to dictate that these actions are those of a bad parent? That is a disgusting generalization.

Getting a music CD hardly means they're going to blast it, or disturb the little girl in any way. Again- I see no way in which this makes this woman a bad parent, and I fail to see your (and others') righteous indignations over such little information. It's very easy to wag your finger at people, isn't it?

These people went too far- plain and simple. If this was my little girl, i'd have beat the shit out of him while on hold with the police, but obviously not to the point of even coming CLOSE to killing him. You can all make your assumptions about the parenting skills of those in question, but you ignore the fact that this man may have been 20 seconds away from breaking her window to get in. You ignore the fact that he may be watching her and following her home from school. He may have planned on abducting her in the future. You don't know that- and yet it's REALLY easy to label these parents YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT as horrible people. The fact is, they were enjoying a good time, one of them went to get a CD for music and saw the man in the window of the little girl who was still sound asleep, despite the horrible din you people make their get-together out to be... and craziness ensued.

Really, we can all say what we "would" do, but none of us would really find out unless it happened to us. Some people have buttons that should never get pressed in their entire lives, lest horrible atrocities befall the button-presser. Example: If the woman I love is ever raped or killed, not even God himself will be able to hold me back.

My long-winded $0.02...

neekap

Yeah.. Right before I break into a house I like to polish my knob...

But seriously, since nothing was done (even though there was the chance he could have) the legal system would have probably slapped him on the wrist and later on he might have done something to another little girl.

billege

Sorry BoCo, can't see your hand on this one. The guy is sick and wrong for what he did. That doesn't give man these freaks the right to beat him to death. The pedo deserves treatement. It seems so popular to wish only the most vile things on pedos, like they're the worst idea ever had, but instead no one thinks maybe they need to be treated for the disorder. Maybe that guy was beaten and raped and fucked up his whole life, and it's made him a "monster." Either way, a gang of drugged up strippers and pals does not have the right to decide life or death. Neither society or God give individual man that right.

They had the right to call the police, they had the right to hold him there even. But that's where the right to throw stones stops. There is no way this bunch is close to anything resembling a hero. To suggest they are heros is to regress to neadertal standards and rut in the mud of human aggression.



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What bothers me about every thread we have like this one is that no one here is considering another point of view. This is like every other thread with such disparate viewpoints. If you side with the opposite of the mob, you get your post picked apart point by point. 'Cuase that's usefull.
Basically there is no discussion here, it's a collection of speaches made by people yelling at stones. No one is listening, just proving how wrong another post is. Eventually someone will get too personal, and it'll get locked, or it'll die because the people that just need to have their say have thrown in thier two cents. The arguers will have beaten their heads into the wall long enough to quit, and then the thread dies. Alone, forgotten, and totally unoriginal.

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neekap

Is it always about you, billege? :-P There's never one right answer in situations like these. That's why depending on the judge and/or jury, you'll get different outcomes. It just serves as a central point where we can read each other's thoughts, whether they are "right" or "wrong."

Jam

Analog... the parents of the 5 year old girl were partying at 4 am, drinking beer and doing drugs... with a 15 year old girl and a 19 year old and some people.. I really dont think that is a good parent no matter what you say

neekap

Agreed, Jam.

Jam

And back on topic I think the peeping tom guy deserved to deal with the police and to be registered as a sex offender, not to be in intensive care or possibly 6 feet under

Prince

I think there is a victim in this scenario, but it isn't the little girl.

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maleficent

Talk about snap judgements...I am not demonizing partying (though drugs with a child in the house, is wrong -- always -- you cannot ever justify that - but that's not why she's a bad parent)

I could care less what this mother was doing before she was part of a group that savagely beat and raped a man. She left the child alone in the house to go out and avenge a wrong?

She's a bad parent because she set a bad example. When do two wrongs ever make a right.

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Lasereth

What a bunch of drug-ridden drunk idiots. If they called the police then the man would be in a world of shit. Now the guy has people sympathizing for him and the people who took matters into their own hands are now the bad guys. That was a really stupid move by the people. I hope they get what they deserve for their mistakes...and maybe they'll see how idiotic drugs and alcohol are if you can't use it responsibly.

-Lasereth

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DelayedReaction

Assault and murder is unacceptable unless your life is threatened. In this case the man obviously wasn't an immediate threat, and the legal issues that result from physically assaulting someone aren't worth the immediate but temporary gratification of kicking his ass. The appropriate response would have been to call the police, and allow them to take care of it. Prisons aren't known for treating sex offenders (and child abusers in particular) very kindly, and I have no doubt that this man would have ended up as Bubba's personal meat condom.

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Gabbyness

Not right, but, well, bizarre, that's for sure.

nukeu666

throw everyone's ass in jail
the rapist
the mob
the drugusers

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analog

Moving backwards... she set a bad example by not responding in the correct manner. How many times in that girl's life do you think a man will peep in her window late at night and be beaten to within an inch of his life by her family? This was a specific circumstance. If anything, this is a lesson in self-control and measured response. We're all human. That being said, I side with neither party. The peeper should be punished and rehabilitated in accordance with the law, and the family should be charged and brought to justice for the disproportionate/extreme reponse to the scenario. By the way, does one bad example make a person a bad parent in general? We all have our buttons...

I don't feel that leaving the house was all that big a deal. A guy was peeping in on her sleeping 5-year-old. Shit went down. It's an extreme circumstance, stuff happens.

Finally, to your first point-

I passed no judgments whatsoever. The closest I came to offering opinion was when I said it was a disgusting generalization- that's my feeling, not a judgments on others.


Refresher...
How can I not justify that? Because you say so? Ludicrous. So you've never imbibed alcohol with a child around? You've never smoked a cigarette or other tobacco product with a child around? You've never taken advil, tylenol, Premsyn, Midol, Benadryl, or any other prescription or over-the-counter medicines? "Illegal" drugs are "illegal" because they're "illegal" here. They all have an effect on you. They are all considered "drugs". Passing judgment on another's ability to parent based on something as small as the use of a drug is a poor excuse for lack of information in the situation and a snap-judgment is the result of negligence in rational thought.

basmoq

that is just sick, there's no excuse for such behavior, they should have tied him to a lamp post naked, not beaten him to death, humiliation is so much better...

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I don't really agree with that, because then it becomes based on the person's opinion of the crime. What's the point of a legal system if you're just going to find a person guilty anyway?

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Diamond

I'm not against vigilante justice... but this seems to kind of went a bit overboard. Jerking off at a 5 year olds window? This guy got what he deserved.