Cynthetiq

My parents came here in 1968, they met here and married in 30 days of meeting. I was born 9 months later. They both came here with almost nothing in their pockets, just a suitcase and some dreams.

I think that it's amazing how far they have come from renting a cruddy apartment and driving a car with no windows and starting with a screwdriver to multiple homes around the US and had some nice luxury cars in their time.

While I think that the political process can be a sham and can cause issues for some, I think that all of us lose sight on the realities that it is harder in a number of other countries. I think the quote below really puts it into perspective.

Thirteen years ago I came to NYC with $40 and a suitcase. Worked making minimum wage $4.35/hr giving up my consultant company and lifestyle in LA to make something better here. I now own a condo in Las Vegas and an apartment in Manhattan, I have a menial car for the moment, but I travel around the world on a regular basis.

All this an I never graduated from college and I almost didn't graduate from High School.

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unoaman

Cynthetig...thanks for that, it was inspiring to say the least. You and I couldn't be any at more opposite ends of the spectrum. While your parents came here in 1968, my grandfather fought in the civil war. We aren't nearly through with our family tree, but not entirely sure some of them didn't fight in the revolutionary war also. Anyway...thats not the point. The point is Hean worked hard, and is in the process of forfilling her dream. You worked/work hard, and I can only assume that you are in the process of doing the same. The only point of this is to say that at least some of us that have more "dirt time" here in America, say GOOD FOR YOU! The American dream is still out there, but nobody is going to hand it to any of us, regardless of our heritage..

KellyC

Like your parents, my parents came here 10 years ago with empty hands and four kids. They started out painting miniaturized scultures of buildings and structers earning about 7 bucks an hour. They eventually save enough money to buy a small grocery store. From that small store they earned enough profit to buy a brand new house, after 6 years living in America.

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DelayedReaction

My father's side of the family was here since the revolutionary war, and my mother's side immigrated before World War II. Through hard work and perseverance my family has made a niche for themselves, and I have used the foundation they have given me to gain an education in a field I love and enjoy.

So I guess you could say my family lived the American dream in one way or another, and I am the next step in that dream. My dream is to take what I have been given and turn it into a successful career that lets me give back to a country that has given me so much. How that happens isn't known, but I can only hope it works out.

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StormBerlin

My parents imigrated to the US over twenty years ago with one suitcase between the three of them (mom, dad and bro) and they all made it just fine. They worked extra hard to get where they are now, and they are living the American Dream.

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redarrow

Am I the only one here who realizes these sort of people are coming over here taking our jobs, living in our houses, eating our food, and basically making it worse for the people who were already here?

And dont give me any of that 'well youre ancestors were immigrants too' bullshit. Yeah, they were, and they were the ones who fuckin built this nation.

DelayedReaction

See, the funny thing is that the same could be said of any children you may produce or already have. Rather than having the attitude of "THEY TOOK R' JAHBS!", why not consider that the vast majority of the people who legally immigrate into this country are bringing with them a culture and set of experiences that ultimately make our country grow? Your ancestors (and mine) made this country the way it is, just as they (and us) will do the same for our descendents.

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redarrow

But we already have a shitload of these cultures and experiences and stuff. We need more..?

DelayedReaction

If this thread is any indication, absolutely. Our country is the way it is partially because we are not one race or culture, but an amalgamation of people from all around the world. Our strength is our diversity.

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KellyC

Immigrants came here accepts jobs that people already living in the U.S refuses. Jobs like garbagemen, janitors, dishwashing, cleaning. Do you know any one who are willing to accept those jobs who lives here all their lives? They work extra hard at those shitty jobs. They EARNED the money to BUY the houses, BUY the food. No one is giving those away for free.

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redarrow

Ight I wrote a long thing arguing about that and this and shit.. it wasnt bad but i hit back button or some shit on my mouse and it got all deleted.
you win. night

The Phenomenon

Yeah they stole your job.

They mugged you right there in the street. "look an american! LETS STEAL HIS JOB!" and then they hit you over the head, am I right?

lurkette

Did someone kick you out of your house, show up at your job and rip the PB&J out of your hand? No? Then these people are simply exercising their right to achieve the things that most of us take for granted. This is such a tired, xenophobic argument I don't think I'm even going to bother.

Amazing how someone can turn an inspirational story about overcoming hardships that most Americans can't imagine into a whine about how "they" are ruining everything for "us," when "we" have it better than 98% of the rest of the world as it is. God forbid anybody else should try to horn in on our good fortune. The nerve of those people who had the audacity to be born outside the U.S. border!!!

Think I'll go listen to "Imagine" a few times to clear the bad taste out of my mouth.

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Jesus Pimp

My parents immigrated here 25 years ago from Vietnam with nothing. They worked hard and now own their own single house in a white suburban neighborhood with 4 cars. I'm right behind them trying to achieve my american dream.

You and other lazy americans who stole this country from the native americans .

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rat

Wow. I don't know what to say after reading this thread, and reading some of the responses. Guess I'll start with a little background history of my family since everyone wants to pull things out of the history books.

My father's side of the family includes (but is not limited to): A physical signatory of the Declaration of Independence and Constitution of the United States; two presidents (one a great-great-great-so-on-and-so-forth uncle, the other HIS grandfather, and my great-great-great-on-and-on grandfather) in Benjamin Harrison (23rd) and William Henry Harrison (9th); Harvard law school graduates; officers that have fought in every war America was involved in on this continent, and enlisted men who fought on several other continents; a great-uncle who was a Seabee in WWII and a Japanese POW--he left for the war at 17 with a full set of teeth and when he came back several years later, he had none; a cousin who spent 22 years in the Marine Corps including multiple volunteer tours in Vietnam as a USMC Scout Sniper, purple heart and silver star recipient.

My mom's side is made up of Polish immigrants who came to America early in the 20th century to avoid the instability of Europe at that time. My grandfather, son of an immigrant, joined the UNITED STATES ARMY and served in WWII along with post-war stations across Europe, including West Berlin. He also spent 35 years working in a FORD manufacturing plant making AMERICAN cars because he was an AMERICAN.


Reading the story regarding the lady from Cambodia reminds me of my family. Parts of it go back further on this soil than the name United States of America. Other parts only go back to the turn of the century. This is a land built on immigration and emmigration. It is a land built in the mongrel image of equality. But the problem doesn't lie in legal immigrants but rather those of the illegal variety. Living in Texas, I find it disturbing the lack of vigilance on our southern border.

While illegal immigrants may be willing to work jobs most Americans wouldn't, and work hard at them, I find their ability to gain the same sort of social support and rights as legal aliens and citizens problematic. I find their very presence here an insult to people like that lady from Cambodia, or the dozens of legal immigrants I've worked with from Honduras, Guatemala, El Salvador, Mexico, Nicaragua, Colombia and Peru. So many people every year try to legally enter this country, and yet our country's response to the constant influx of illegal immigrants is negligible. I'd hoped that with a Texan in the White House, someone who lives near the border and knows how permeable it is, there'd be something done to bolster Border Patrol and INS efforts. Sadly, I was mistaken.

Have a friend of mine whose social security number is used illegally every year for the past decade to register a hunting license by an illegal immigrant. Every year for the last ten years, my friend has gone to get his hunting license, and he's forced to jump through hoops of multiple IDs, credit cards, background checks and other proofs of his identity. Yet the Department of Fish and Wildlife won't pick up a phone, call the central office, find out the name of the illegal, and report his name and whereabouts to INS. They've let it slide for a decade.

And experiences like that are an insult to hardworking immigrants nationwide who get in legally to work hard and make their dream.

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Cynthetiq

Sure. I agree with you for that, but there are processes in place, my parents followed the rules that were put in place. They applied for working visas, my father as an mechanical engineer and my mom as a medical technologist.

Ironically, people are still coming to this country with working visas for these careers because there aren't enough Americans who are going to school for these careers at the time. Thus no jobs were taken. Now, fast forward to today, those same careers are still importing people and giving them visas because Americans are not going to school for these types of careers.

My parents didn't raise me in YOUR house, I lived in OUR house that they bought and paid for it with their own sweat and tears.

I didn't grow up eating YOUR food, I grew up eating OUR food, that they purchased, prepared, and served.

As far as those people who built this nation, they paved the way... the immgrants built the nation. From slaves (still an immigrant just a forced one) to the Chinese (railroad builders) to the Mexican migrant workers that pick the produce and work the fields.

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redarrow

didnt i tell you guys that you won..?

may i add that im a stupid dick

Cynthetiq

sorry you're not going to get off that easy. you have a different viewpoint and I'd like to hear it. Now if you don't wish to explain more, I'm going to respectfully ask that you DO NOT TROLL the boards.

i'd like to hear your "Ight I wrote a long thing arguing about that and this and shit.. " and you aren't "a stupid dick." There's no flamming users and I'd be inclined to say that includes your self.

roachboy

the american dream....

for the thread it seems like the old horatio alger narrative, this dream thing----some convergence of ancestry and the progressive accumulation of wealth.

well, my ancestry trails off into a history that no-one cares about.
even if in some fit of misdirected research energy, someone were to have set up the genalogy, it would result in a nicely arranged list of names, birth and death dates, marriage dates and names of children i will never know, implying stories that have vanished about situations that have been erased. it might provide a nice diagram that i could look at on those rare occaisions when all other images i have around here bore me.
but it would not serve to locate me in any particular sense.

the trajectory of wealth accumulation:

property

commodities

insulation

seems uninteresting to me.

it is strange that this "Dream" is only secondarily about doing....what you do, what moves you, what prompts you to develop your capacities, to find new ones---which in my experience has only secondarily (if you are lucky) to do with your day gig.
if the cash thing is important, it is mostly as a framework that lets you do something other than worry about it. because if you are worried about eating, it is hard to do other things than worry about eating. (at this point, things could easily veer into a political space--i'll run up to the edge of it and stop)

for some--most of my family included--the cash is itself the object of fascination. but i do not understand that. this is not meant as a statement laced with self-righteousness---it is more like a circuit that they developed that enabled them to watch cash as if it glittered and morphed simply never took hold in me.

it would seem to me that if there is some american dream, it would have to do with what you do, and whether the space in which you find yourself is congenial to that.

in which case, it would be a much harder thing, to live this dream.
i certainly am not doing it.
is anyone?

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World's King

Yes.


But only if the American Dream involves having a social disease you got from blonde bomshell and the dry heaves from that shot of Old Crow and that left handed cigarttes I had before breakfast.

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Cynthetiq

The American Dream is defined as...

Americans' hope for a better quality of life and a higher standard of living than their parents'.

For those that came from other shores, it usually means the ability to own property, a car, a well paying job, and have disposable time and money to pursue other interests.

roachboy

old crow before breakfast?
you are my new hero, sir.

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bigoldalphamale

yes.

sashime76

How difficult is it to just respect the hard work and pay admiration of others and disregard the race issue? My family has been in the States for 23+ years now.

We also started with nothing but a dream. My father, a clothing factory production manager came to US had to settle for a dishwasher job to raise three children.

I'm an engineer now with a large, privately own company in the Midwest. My younger brother may soon become an elementary school principal in Southern Cal. My sister, married to a British immigrant is a very happy housewife. Have we achieved our American Dream, perhaps in some ways.

Nobody came around to give us a house, a job or a car. I flipped burgers in high school days. Worked production assembly through college. I had to send out resumes and wait for a phone call / interview just like everyone else. So, whose job did I steal? I had to qualify for a home loan, a car loan. Make my monthly payments, state / federal taxes? Whose house did I steal?

America the melting pot, has been and always will be. No matter how some shallow, narrow minded individuals may view it differently.

Nefir

I am an immigrant. I was 8 years old when I came here with my parents shortly before the collapse of the USSR (around 1990). If we weren't granted political asylum, we would probably have been dead or rotting in a soviet jail.

My parents are both engineers by training, but when we first arrived, they worked as cleaners, cafeteria workers, and babysitters while I was put through the public education system. We had no place to live, so a family friend let us stay at her apartment. I used to go around the neighborhood with a big garbage bag, collecting beer cans and bottles, and redeeming them for change.

Today my mom is an engineer, and my dad co-owns a business. I have a college diploma and a steady job. Soon I will try to get a post-graduate degree as well. Throughout all this, my family and I still keep our cultural practices and traditions alive.


Am I living the American Dream? Hell yes.

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roachboy

cynthetiq:

i know the definition of this "american dream" thing.

what i cannot figure out is why it is compelling.

if you are framing this as a first generation in the states thing, then fine, maybe for you the story is important: for me, it is not.

this is not because i have any opinion about the difficulties that are built into your story, and the stories of other folk from parallel family pasts that have posted echoes of your statement at the start of the thread--it is good that you have worked things out for yourself. my interests lie elsewhere: i have a very different experience than you do, i expect.

one result of this experience is that i do not see what possible linkage there is between who a person is, what they do, what they care about, and the commodities they surround themselves with. are you a different person with a swank car than you are without one? does having a swank car shift your interests? do you become your swank car? do you become a better person because you have a swank car? better than you were before? better than those who cannot afford such a car?

if this american dream thing is, underneath it, about hollowing yourself out to such an extent that you see yourself entirely in the objects that you purchase, then i do not understand how the price of playing the game--asking whether you are or are not living this dream--is worth it. why would you do it? why would you see commodities---which any nitwit can accumulate given adequate cash/credit--as in themselves validation of who you are, of your family and their struggles to situate themselves?

seems to me like the struggles are worth more than that.
and that it is kind of a problem to reduce their meaning to having a gas grill or a huge refrigerator.

maybe the problem with this american dream thing is that it is primarily a marketing device. maybe the problem with thinking that you are living it is that you are living a marketing device.

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Cynthetiq

why is it compelling?

because to most people they could never own a home, they could never be a boss, they could never own a business.

Does it make you a different person? For some, it may corrupt, for other is may turn them into community benefactors, and others it may not change them at all.

It isn't about "buying" or "materialism" it's about the ability to be better off than where you were.

Looking back 14 years ago, when I left LA I did not own a home, I did own a Toyota Corolla 4dr (i've always driven modest cars) I did only work 3 days a month and pulled in abou $40k/year. I partied every day, had a boat and went waterskiing and boating when I could. But looking around, I never thought I could ever afford my own home.

When I struck out to NY, I looked around and found that I could not afford to eat at most restaurants and would have to have several roommates in order to rent in an apartment as I only made $4.35/hour. As my career continued to move upwards and my salary with it, but I still always thought I would never be able to afford to buy something in Manhattan, so when I could afford something I bought a condo in Las Vegas near my parents place.

Last year, I was finally able to buy a place in Manhattan, reducing my commute from 1.5 hours to 40 minutes, 60 if I wanted to walk to work. My wife can walk to work in 20 if she wanted.

So now, my quality of life decreased when I left LA for a good 6-8 years. But now my quality of life is even better. Is it just buying stuff? No, it's not having to work so hard just to keep a roof over my head, and do whatever it is that I enjoy doing.

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roachboy

cynthetiq:

it seems to me, when i look around where i am, that everyone works hard--not necessarily in the same way (my circle is made up mostly of artist/musician types). given that, i dont see the point of having an entire narrative that lets you say the obvious.

but fine, whatever--again, it is good that you have worked things out for yourself, and please dont take anything in what i am saying as a knock on that.

some level of discipline seems to me a prerequisite for being able to do anything well.
it is what you might call the craft part of what you do that is the centre of it.
whether you find a market niche for it in this ludicrous wasteland that is american capitalism or not is arbitrary, really.
(keep in mind that my viewpoint on this stuff is split--i do academic work and am a musician, and here i find myself talking largely as a musician)
from which it follows that you would probably be doing the same things either way--whether you are out there performing in big venues or putting stuff together for yourself.
that is what matters, to me.
being able to learn to be stubborn, to keep going, to keep pushing what are now limits you set up for yourself, to not let other things get in the way, to be open to the idea that those other things may nonetheless be informative.


stuff is just stuff.

you never arrive anywhere.

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Cynthetiq

No knocks taken.

my mother in law is a renowned artist and lives like a true artist. It was put into her head that an artist would never be rich, so that's what she always felt. She lives very menially but yet lives a very full and rich life. She did own a home and a car at one time, but those were sold long ago.

Is she living the American dream? Yes she is, because her parents worked many hours and hard for stuff, and to her she didn't find that lifestyle satisfying, so she worked hard for her own spirtuality and expresses that in her art.

quadro2000

I think the point is probably that the American Dream is not something that can be defined so specifically as "having a car/house/disposable income." It's going to mean something different to each person. That's why I find threads like this difficult to respond to because an idea anda definition is put forward and then people are asked whether they fit that description as it is defined.

Cyn, you had, at one point in this thread, mentioned that the American Dream is also about being "better off than where you were," but you don't have to necessarily have ANY of the things that you mentioned (property/car/etc) in order to be better off than where you were. I think what roachboy might be saying that the American Dream is more than any of that - it's about a state of mind and being and everyone will define it differently. And I can tell from what you just wrote that you probably understand where I'm coming from here.

For many people, just having the right to vote may be the definition of living the American Dream.

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Man...that's just....inspirational. That's what it's all about. Thanks for that story.

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I've never been happier than I am today.
And if recent history is a predictor, I'll be even happier tomorrow.

Happiness is my choice. I like every second of my life. I love sus and mimi. That's my American Dream.

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redarrow

what if an immigrant's business ran a local's business into the ground(and now the locals family is homeless)? what if an immigrant raises up the corporate ladder faster in one year than a local has in 10? y'see, its just like what happend in britain with all the jamaicans and indians comming over and doing all the shit. i think. if memory serves me correctly..

anyways, its this woman in the story. she took a job, hell, more than one. maybe a teenager needed one of those jobs to pay for a car? maybe the teen was pregnant and needed it to help feed her baby? y'see, the unemployment rate is going up! up and up!
why? immigrants and outsourcing. are there two greater evils on this earth?!?!

i know im gonna get a load of shit in return for this post....

KellyC

If an immigrant's business out compete a local business fair and square, then there's nothing to bitch about.

And I wouldn't weigh the need for a job between a teen and the Cambodian woman, it's obvious that the woman need the job MORE than the teen. She has four girls back in cambodia. That alone is more than a good enough reason for her to "take away" some teen's job so he can pay for his car. The teen can take the bus, my parents did and they barely know any english. Immigrants are not outsourcing, they (we) just happen to try harder.

There's no "shit" here man. Just my $0.02

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Cynthetiq

Lots of ifs and maybes in your "suppositions"

but let's talk turkey then. What if a HUGE congolmerate business ran a local business into the ground? Happens all the time with big large stores like WalMart, Target, BJs etc.

It's capitalism at its finest. If I can provide goods and services for a cheaper price and still make a profit, then that's what I will do. That's all about being capitalistic.

Outsourcing, it doesn't necessarily mean "outside the US,". I had worked for an outsourced IT department for many years and we were all Americans with a few immigrants, but we were outside the realm of the company. A contractor if you will. It still happens all the time.

MTV Networks outsourced my job to IBM. Did IBM send the jobs to India? No, the call center moved to Fishkill, NY.

Because I'm skilled at what I do, I was called back a year later. When IBM faltered and couldn't deliver, they called back most of the people that they laid off. Not everyone returned, but a few did.
It's not as easy to just gloss it over with generalizations and What ifs.

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redarrow

i dont think any of you got my point.. what if _you_ were that pregnant teen? you wouldnt feel the same would you?

sashime76

I assumed redarrow owns EVERYTHING made/built in US????? Anything in your kitchen cabinet says "Made in China"? Where was your TV produced? Do you drink "American" coffee?

Are your cars wholely built in US? The very PC/laptop you use to logon to this forum, where was it built? I guess you DO SUPPORT foreign labor? If so, what IS you point?

Even the name of our nation clearly tells what we are: UNITED Stated. Not only the States are united, but the people as well.

The "fittest survive", that's the hard truth. Darwin's theory doesn't care if you are White, Black, Red, Yellow or Brown. If an immigrant runs a successful business, hats off to him/her. If an immigrant makes CEO of a large firm, I'd give my admiration. Competition is inevitable, from the first day we enter kindergarten till the day we kick the bucket. That's just the way it is.

Cynthetiq

I do get your point. Actions beget consequences. she has to be responsible for her consequences.

would she really be out looking for a job? who's going to watch the baby?

now, if you'd like to discuss that kind of a topic, create a new thread because this thread is not the right place for it.

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sashime76

I supposed redarrow feels OK if a non-White person loses his/her job to a Wite person. Or someone with darker skin being bypassed for promotions.

One must understand that a coin has two sides. Whichever side you choose it's up to you. But being totally one sided, perhaps this forum isn't for you. For that matter, this country isn't for you.