perripken

Oh my God!

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thunder

Bill was probably just thinking about getting a blow job from the lady in front of them and hillary was dreaming about the day she wants to be called Mr. President. They feasted on the crops sewn by President Reagan.

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billege

I'd like to second that and submit it to the secretary for approval in the minutes.

Something like that....

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Amethyst

I am not a big fan of Clintons but if you clearly look at the picture they are praying. People try to make big deals out of stupid stuff and that is why the media sucks.

ARTelevision

I agree - this is an artifact of the photographic instant - which reveals only appearance. I have no idea what was going on in the subjects' minds when their eyelids happened to be closed at the moment the picture was taken.

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maleficent

I hope it is a picture of them sleeping, it'd be evidence that they are still sleeping together. I'd have bet anything he was relagated to the living room sofa....

The body language of the two of them is even more interesting, but it's a brief second in time -- so that'd be reading way too much into it.

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perripken

Sorry folks, I'm not talking about any snapshots or photoshops pictures, I watched most of the funeral service, and they zoomed in on Billy at least three times in a 20 minute span, and he was CLEARLY ZZZZZZZZZZZZZing. I didn't see Hillary sleeping, however. That's why I hate the picture being brought into the thread. If you saw the coverage, you saw Billy, eyes closed, mouth open to a relaxed dreaming state. I bet if you zoomed in you would've seen the drool coming out of the corners of his mouth. If you are going by the pictures you've seen and not on seeing it on the tube, I wish you wouldn't make comments like that. By the way, I'm sorry I brought this up in the first place, and I'd like to apologize to all you Bill and Hillary supporters or those who thought I was being too caddy. I simply thought that it was rude to be sleeping at not only Reagan's funeral, but anyone. Especially when you're in the public spotlight.

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ARTelevision

I am not a "Bill and Hillary supporter."
I just think a cheap shot is a cheap shot.
Points of view as influenced by media are not rational. Media provide edited and selected data - not continuous contextualized information. In this instance, the interpretation of the video coverage compared to the photographic still shots is equally questionable.

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perripken

With all due respect, I usually am with you ARTelevision on most of your views and ideas, however, I disagree that the video coverage was questionable, unless you think that the New World Order or someone had something to do with doctoring the LIVE video that I saw on CBS. Bill was clearly sleeping. Cheap shot or whatever, call it what you like. I yam what I yam and I saw what I saw! I'm done with this subject, I've already wasted too much time on something that most people are shrugging off. Like I said, I wish I had just not touched my keyboard, and kept it to myself. Enough said (or typed!)

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ARTelevision

heh heh. understood, perripken.

Well for one thing, I have an anti-media bias in so far as I am always skeptical of conclusions that can be drawn from such ersatz "proof" as photographic evidence of something.

My other concern is that we who are not Bill and Hillary supporters might descend to the same level of dialog as is often hurled against their opponents. This instance offers us an opportunity to eschew such attacks.

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mxyzptlk

All mass media mind-control, influence and misinterpretation aside. I too watched the entire service, on at least 4 different channels and have to come to perripken's defense. A good part of my job is interpreting body language and facial expressions. Without dragging this out further, I'll let it at "I saw what he saw".

Perhaps I owe him an apology for referencing the one still shot, but I didn't have links to the "movie". My apologies if I started something, perripken.

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Superbelt

I only had that picture to go off of. I couldn't remember who was behind Bill. I DO know what Ford looks like.

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I'd just like to say again that this was a very, very long funeral service. It's natural for people to fall asleep. There were other famous, prominent people who were snoozing as well.

ARTelevision

I prefer the idea that they were engaged in inward-looking meditation - perhaps even what is called "prayer." As the conclusion is undemonstrable but for the photographs and video, I would hope fair-minded people err on the side of giving these two - who well comprehend the awesome responsibilities and significance of the positions of President and First Lady - the benefit of the doubt.

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Hanxter

ya know what sickened me...?

we watched the baba wawa special that abc aired before they landed back in simi valley...

while it was insight and quite often humorous i told my good lady - wait for the commercial at the end...

and sure enough, there it was...

"if you'd like a vhs or dvd of the preceeding program you can call blah blah blah..."

leave it to disney to capitalize on it

perripken

I believe it! GAWD!
and also:

Thanks, but no need to mention it! I'm over this whole thing!

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ARTelevision

Yep. Sometimes this board is a good place to get over things. Once posted, one has to stare at one's words. This can cause the best of us to have second thoughts at times.

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Stompy

hahaha, this is a riot!

If he was sleeping, I'm sure his head would be bobbing. Can YOU sleep with your head straight up like that?

It looks like he was sittin there with his eyes closed. Is that bad?

Maybe he was "praying" or whatever.

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greytone

I was unable to watch the service because of work but I did record it on my DISH PVR on Fox News. They had almost no comentary but simply panned the cameras. I found it interesting that once they panned past a clearly sleeping Clinton, they quickly cut away and never went back to that view. It appears from comments here and elsewhere that the other networks kept going back to the sleeping Clintons. One would have thought that if there was intentional editing of content that Fox would have been the network to point out Clinton's foibles.

By the way, I found the service and eulogies moving and riviting. I must be getting old.

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perripken

Photo does not = video, watch the video, then draw your conclusions. That's all I'm going to say.

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moonstrucksoul

pictures, like words, can often be taken out of context.

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balderdash111

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water_boy1999

I have often slept during boring classes, ceremonies, etc.....Who really cares if he nodded off or not? It just seems that people look for the foibles in people to justify their dislike of them.

Bill 'O Rights is right.....must we politicize everything? And further more, when someone voices their opinion on said subject matter, why must we always attack back because something that one person says is not in the majority of what others feel, or in the same opinion of the poster?

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jcookc6

A couple of questions:
1. Why was Superbelt watching it in the first place. There were other things on TV
2. Has a Liberal ever screwed up? To listen to him, he has an excuse for anything a liberal does or says.

Skettios

20 posts later someone gets it right.

HE'S PRAYING!

I don't know what you do in a church, but I usually don't wait for the Reverend's permission to pray, I just go off whenever I think of it.

You guys want to make this political? Why is it that Reagan gets to be dead for the whole week? Enough already.

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