Pentagon blows $100M on plane tickets... - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

miggity99 · 06-10-2004, 02:38 PM

And could have gotten their money back, but didn't return the tickets.

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WASHINGTON (AP) -- Defense Department spent an estimated $100 million for airline tickets that were not used over a six-year period and failed to seek refunds even though the tickets were reimbursable, congressional investigators say.

The department compounded the problem by reimbursing employee claims for tickets bought by the Pentagon, the investigators said.

To demonstrate how easy it was to have the Pentagon pay for airline travel, the investigators posed as Defense employees, had the department generate a ticket and showed up at the ticket counter to pick up a boarding pass.

Congress' General Accounting Office issued the findings in two reports on the Pentagon's lack of control over airline travel, copies of which The Associated Press obtained Tuesday. A prior report, issued last November, found that the Pentagon bought 68,000 first-class or business-class airline seats for employees who should have flown coach.

"At a time when our soldiers are patrolling the streets of Iraq in unarmored Humvees, and when the Bush Administration is asking for record Defense spending, Secretary (Donald H.) Rumsfeld is letting hundreds of millions of dollars that could be used to protect our troops and our country go to waste," said Rep. Jan Schakowsky, D-Illinois, one of three lawmakers who ordered the studies.

The GAO estimated that between 1997 and 2003, the Defense Department bought at least $100 million in tickets that were not used or used only partially by a passenger who did not complete all legs of a flight. The waste went undetected because the department relied on individuals to report the unused tickets. They did not do so.

The Defense Department said in a written statement that it is working to ensure it receives credit in the future for each unused ticket.

"We take this deficiency in our procedures very seriously and are moving swiftly to establish proper management controls. The long-term answer will be the automated Defense Travel System (DTS) that controls the travel order and payment process from beginning to end," the statement said.

"DOD is researching the data presented in the GAO report and will continue to pursue the amounts we determine are recoupable."
Second probe focused on possible fraud

The reimbursable tickets had no advanced purchase requirements, minimum or maximum stays or penalties for changes or cancellations under department agreements with the airlines.

"The millions of dollars wasted on unused airline tickets provides another example of why DOD financial management is one of our high-risk areas, with DOD highly vulnerable to fraud, waste and abuse," the GAO said.

Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, another lawmaker who ordered the studies, said, "It's outrageous that the Defense Department would be sending additional federal tax dollars to the airlines by way of unused passenger tickets. And the fact that the Defense Department didn't even know it was wasting this money is even worse than $100 million down a rathole."

While one GAO report focused on the unused tickets, the second investigation found potential fraud.

It said the department paid travelers for tickets the department already bought and reimbursed employees for tickets that had not been authorized.

A limited review of records for 2001 and 2002 identified 27,000 transactions totaling more than $8 million in reimbursements to employees for tickets bought by the government. These figures represent only a small portion of the potential fraud, the GAO said.

It is a crime for a government employee knowingly to request reimbursement for goods and services he or she did not buy.

One DOD traveler stole a department account number to pay for more than 70 airline tickets that totaled more than $60,000, which he sold at a discount to co-workers and their family members for personal travel. The individual admitted guilt, lost all pay, received a dishonorable discharge and was sentenced to five years confinement.

Among the examples of potential fraud:

# Within a nine-month period, an employee claimed reimbursement for 13 tickets paid for by the department, contending he did not know he received almost $10,000 more than he paid in travel expenses.

# Within a 27-month period, a traveler submitted a dozen vouchers claiming some $6,800 in airline tickets the department bought. When notified the department was refusing payments on five of the six claims, the traveler submitted six additional claims. DOD initiated action to collect money for three of the claims but could find no records of the other three.

# A traveler said he did not notice the government had deposited $3,700 into his checking account to pay for an airline ticket that had been paid for by the government.

My faith in our government only grows and grows...

DEI37 · 06-10-2004, 04:30 PM

That is a lot of money to blow on frikkin' plane tickets! I'd take just .1% of that!!!

tiberry · 06-11-2004, 02:26 AM

Wow...that just seems really bad. I wouldn't blame the "government" solely though, take into consideration the billions and billions of dollars that are spent by "the government" and the accounting nightmare it must be to keep up with all that! When you put things into perspective - thinking of the sheer volume of travel that 'government' employees must make each year, then $100M doesn't seem that large in perspective. And afterall - most of the examples relate to an INDIVIDUAL that seems to have been intentionally defrauding the government. Don't confuse an individual's personal lack of morals with a corrupt government...

Hrothgar · 06-11-2004, 02:50 AM

very pisspoor mismanagement of funds

Ripp3r · 06-11-2004, 02:51 AM

Thats what happens when you have to much money to spend, and too little good accountants to manage it ...
its the downfall of every supercorporation ... the little things get forgotten and pile up costs that go by unnoticed until its too late

tecoyah · 06-11-2004, 02:52 AM

Can you say....subtle airline bailout?

Yakk · 06-11-2004, 06:26 AM

This sort of waste points out clearly why the Pentagon should be privatized.

By replacing the current beaurocracy with a profit-motive based corperation, fat like the above will be trimmed, and America will be safer for a cheaper price. The "privatization" dividend can pay for an escalation of the war on drugs, terrorism, pornography and whoever else whom fighting a war with would be profitable.

miggity99 · 06-11-2004, 06:41 AM

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Originally posted by tiberry
I wouldn't blame the "government" solely though, take into consideration the billions and billions of dollars that are spent by "the government" and the accounting nightmare it must be to keep up with all that!

Oh, of course, I was just using "government" because the defense department is a part of the government. It just takes a few lazy people that don't care for this kind of thing to build up.

Reading some of the things that people were getting away with is rediculous. The guy that got 5 of his 6 tickets rejected then submitted 6 more...that really pisses me off. Hell, maybe I should work for the government so I can get free cash from John Q. Taxpayer.

onetime2 · 06-11-2004, 07:00 AM

Just another example of the inefficiency of government agencies. More money given to the government (higher taxes) isn't the answer, accountability and efficiency is.

H12 · 06-11-2004, 07:27 AM

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Originally posted by Yakk
The "privatization" dividend can pay for an escalation of the war on drugs, terrorism, pornography and whoever else whom fighting a war with would be profitable.

Those wars have been proven to be wastes, except for terrorism, and I'm sure there are people who could argue with me otherwise.

choskins · 06-11-2004, 07:59 AM

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Originally posted by tecoyah
Can you say....subtle airline bailout?

That was my thought exactly.

Vales419 · 06-11-2004, 08:46 AM

It's glad to know that my taxes taken out of my paycheck are going to a good cause.

V.

KellyC · 06-13-2004, 02:54 PM

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Originally posted by tecoyah
Can you say....subtle airline bailout?

sub-tle a-i-r-l-i-n-e bail-out....

hmm..yes, yes I can.

kutulu · 06-14-2004, 09:59 AM

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Originally posted by Yakk
This sort of waste points out clearly why the Pentagon should be privatized.

By replacing the current beaurocracy with a profit-motive based corperation, fat like the above will be trimmed, and America will be safer for a cheaper price. The "privatization" dividend can pay for an escalation of the war on drugs, terrorism, pornography and whoever else whom fighting a war with would be profitable.

That's some funny shit. Very nice sarcasm. After that, we can privatize the white house and the EPA. Oh wait, the energy industry already did that.

billege · 06-14-2004, 10:18 AM

That is a clever way to funnel funds isn't it? Really, in this day and age, that'd be a fun way to slip money away. Purposly not fix holes in a system destined to be abused. Let the money flow like water through a seive, airline takes money, airline happy. It's not like they'd be in business without bailouts. For reasons not understood by me, the airline industry is unable to make money. Why is that?

The DOD should be better with it's money. It's amazing anyone in government was albe to figure out Enron.

It's sad that government jobs attract so many lazy people looking to screw the system. Government jobs are seen as fat cash cows with lots of perks, and no reason to really work. It's sad that between regulation, layers and layers of beurocracy, god knows what else, the government is where non-performers go to work.

I think the exception is the armed services, they can't not deal with fools, they'd get everyone killed. The armed forces must be the last bastion of common sense in the government. (Not that they don't screw up, but in the army if you're an idiot, they tell you to your face.)

Government should be a place where highly competent people feel honor in working for the common good of thier neighbors.

Too many feel it's a place to take advantage of those same citizens they serve.
Shame on them.

06-10-2004, 04:30 PM	#2 (permalink)
DEI37 Go faster! Location: Wisconsin	That is a lot of money to blow on frikkin' plane tickets! I'd take just .1% of that!!! __________________ Generally speaking, if you were to get what you really deserve, you might be unpleasantly surprised.

06-11-2004, 02:26 AM	#3 (permalink)
tiberry Insane Location: Location, Location!	Wow...that just seems really bad. I wouldn't blame the "government" solely though, take into consideration the billions and billions of dollars that are spent by "the government" and the accounting nightmare it must be to keep up with all that! When you put things into perspective - thinking of the sheer volume of travel that 'government' employees must make each year, then $100M doesn't seem that large in perspective. And afterall - most of the examples relate to an INDIVIDUAL that seems to have been intentionally defrauding the government. Don't confuse an individual's personal lack of morals with a corrupt government... __________________ My life's work is to bridge the gap between that which is perceived by the mind and that which is quantifiable by words and numbers.

06-11-2004, 02:50 AM	#4 (permalink)
Hrothgar He's My Girl Location: The Champagne Douche	very pisspoor mismanagement of funds __________________ The fortunes of war favored Hrothgar.

06-11-2004, 02:51 AM	#5 (permalink)
Ripp3r Tilted Location: Dublin, Ireland	Thats what happens when you have to much money to spend, and too little good accountants to manage it ... its the downfall of every supercorporation ... the little things get forgotten and pile up costs that go by unnoticed until its too late __________________ We All Have Questions What Seperates The Men From The Boys Is The Ability To Use Google To Find Our Answers

06-11-2004, 02:52 AM	#6 (permalink)
tecoyah Illusionary	Can you say....subtle airline bailout? __________________ Holding onto anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned. - Buddha

06-11-2004, 06:26 AM	#7 (permalink)
Yakk Wehret Den Anfängen! Location: Ontario, Canada	This sort of waste points out clearly why the Pentagon should be privatized. By replacing the current beaurocracy with a profit-motive based corperation, fat like the above will be trimmed, and America will be safer for a cheaper price. The "privatization" dividend can pay for an escalation of the war on drugs, terrorism, pornography and whoever else whom fighting a war with would be profitable. __________________ Last edited by JHVH : 10-29-4004 BC at 09:00 PM. Reason: Time for a rest.

06-11-2004, 07:00 AM	#9 (permalink)
onetime2 Junkie Location: NJ	Just another example of the inefficiency of government agencies. More money given to the government (higher taxes) isn't the answer, accountability and efficiency is. __________________ Strive to be more curious than ignorant.

06-11-2004, 08:46 AM	#12 (permalink)
Vales419 Crazy Location: Purgatory	It's glad to know that my taxes taken out of my paycheck are going to a good cause. V. __________________ "Here's ten bucks, bring me the head of Barry Manilow" --Dr. Denis Leary

06-14-2004, 10:18 AM	#15 (permalink)
billege Watcher Location: Ohio	That is a clever way to funnel funds isn't it? Really, in this day and age, that'd be a fun way to slip money away. Purposly not fix holes in a system destined to be abused. Let the money flow like water through a seive, airline takes money, airline happy. It's not like they'd be in business without bailouts. For reasons not understood by me, the airline industry is unable to make money. Why is that? The DOD should be better with it's money. It's amazing anyone in government was albe to figure out Enron. It's sad that government jobs attract so many lazy people looking to screw the system. Government jobs are seen as fat cash cows with lots of perks, and no reason to really work. It's sad that between regulation, layers and layers of beurocracy, god knows what else, the government is where non-performers go to work. I think the exception is the armed services, they can't not deal with fools, they'd get everyone killed. The armed forces must be the last bastion of common sense in the government. (Not that they don't screw up, but in the army if you're an idiot, they tell you to your face.) Government should be a place where highly competent people feel honor in working for the common good of thier neighbors. Too many feel it's a place to take advantage of those same citizens they serve. Shame on them. __________________ I can sum up the clash of religion in one sentence: "My Invisible Friend is better than your Invisible Friend."