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TM875 · 04-09-2004, 03:45 PM

Personally, I'd want to toss a porno DVD in it and see what happens...it might just self destruct.

heyal256 · 04-09-2004, 05:58 PM

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Originally posted by TM875
Personally, I'd want to toss a porno DVD in it and see what happens...it might just self destruct.

This is a great way to test the technology to see if it works... and damn funny too

twilightfoix · 04-10-2004, 02:00 PM

yeah ok. this censorship thing has just hit a whole new level. people just need to get over this kind of shit and let people watch what they wanna watch.

Cynthetiq · 05-03-2005, 09:03 AM

followup article from Forbes.com

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My Family, My Movie
Stephane Fitch, 04.29.05, 10:00 AM ET

You tinker with the recipes in Bon Appetit and add ice cubes to your white wine. You prefer the shuffle mode on your iPod and you skip the boring parts of The Tonight Show with your TiVo. Now, thanks to the U.S. Congress, maybe you can skip the boring parts of movies, too.

No, this wasn't really what legislators intended. The Family Movie Act of 2005, signed by President George W. Bush on Wednesday, was aimed at folks who use software to cut out four-letter words, nudity and graphic violence from movies they rent or buy for home viewing.

But the law may also loosen Hollywood's tight control over its products. It passes some of the control over how movies are edited to you and, hypothetically, a mini-industry of movie remix artists.

U.S. copyright law makes it illegal to sell edited versions of Hollywood films. But the Family Movie Act says if you use software to "mak[e] imperceptible changes to...limited portions of audio or video content of a motion picture...from an authorized copy of the motion picture," you're OK. Just don't create a "fixed copy of the altered version."

The law came about in part due to the efforts of William Aho and his tiny Salt Lake City software company called ClearPlay. For years, Aho had scratched his head and wondered why Hollywood refused to release on DVD versions of its most popular movies that would be slightly altered to appeal more to squeamish parents. Sensing an opportunity, he founded ClearPlay (see "Monster In A Box").

Aho's software, when installed onto a DVD player, makes the player mute or skip ahead when something objectionable happens in a movie. (The software isn't smart enough to recognize curse words or violence; Aho employs teams of editors who watch movies, find the objectionable bits and program a movie-specific filter to excise the bad stuff frame by frame.) Aho successfully lobbied to create the Family Movie Act after billionaire director Steven Spielberg, Robert Redford, Steven Soderbergh, 13 other famed Hollywood directors and eight large studios sued ClearPlay in U.S. District Court in Denver, claiming its software violated copyright laws. The new law is a direct blow to them.

But could it also seed a new industry? Annual DVD sales are around $16 billion. It's easy to envision a side business in DVD filters. Since it's now OK for ClearPlay to create filters that make Spider-Man 2--produced by Sony (nyse: SNE - news - people )--less violent, it's also legal for bowdlerizers to create filters that would serve other purposes. Somebody, for example, needs to create a filter that would excise all the stupidity about Gaelic poetry in Million Dollar Baby, from Time Warner's (nyse: TWX - news - people ) Warner Bros. studio. Another hot-selling filter would be one that mutes out all the ruinous voice-over in Wonder Boys.

There's a proven market for these kinds of edits; witness what happened to George Lucas' Star Wars: Episode I--The Phantom Menace. In 2001, an alternative version of Lucas' unloved sequel, called Episode 1.1--The Phantom Edit, created a sensation among fans of the 1970s original. Created by a fan, the edited version cut 20 minutes from the film. The excisions all but deleted a dopey character (Jar Jar Binks) and got rid of several other annoyances, like Anakin Skywalker's shouts of "Yahoo!" and "Whoopee!" during the movie's pod-racing sequence.

Lucas went from amused to horrified. And the edit-happy fan--no doubt worried about getting sued--later apologized. If the Family Movie Act had been in force then, he could have been rolling in dough instead.

Aho admits the law "doesn't discriminate" about what kind of filters you would create. "As long as it was purely subtractive, the law supports it," he says. He believes the market for family-type filters is around $100 million, "but I don't think there's much of a market for filters [that aren't] family-friendly."

Asked if he'd consider licensing his software to other companies or individuals looking to create filters like these that they could sell for home use, Aho says no. "There are some noncontroversial-type, good-for-society-type applications we'd consider," he says. ClearPlay has discussed licensing its software for classroom use, he says.

But that doesn't mean companies looking to license software or hardware that would allow for movie remixes couldn't do so elsewhere--especially since there's some question about who, exactly, holds the patent on DVD-filtering software. A Boca Raton, Fla., company called Nissim is now suing ClearPlay over patent infringement in U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Florida. Aho says the claim is unfounded. But RCA, the Thomson (nyse: TMS - news - people ) unit that had created a ClearPlay DVD player that was being sold in Wal-Mart Stores (nyse: WMT - news - people ), has ceased manufacturing the player.

The directors and the studios that declined to release family-friendly versions of their films before Aho founded ClearPlay and Congress stepped in with the Family Movie Act are also busy: kicking themselves.

rockogre · 05-04-2005, 09:15 AM

Well, I for one think that we should just prepare to give up and bow down before our Wal-Mart overseerers.

It's just an evil, woman hating, slave driving, cult I tell you.

Now, back to the movie.

Zeraph · 05-04-2005, 11:42 AM

I'm still very much against this and censorship of any kind....here's a thought, if you don't want to see sex/violence/whatever don't watch it!

Here's a very simple, if unrealistic, example of why I don't like it. Say I'm an artist and I produce this sentence: "Killing is not good" but there is a censorship device that edits out negative words, so now the sentence is changed to "Killing is good". That is not my message, and to play it as if is were is cheating me, my work is presented as a lie, and I don't care if they know it's being censored that's not what I created it for.

You may still be thinking, its self censorship, what they do doesn't hurt me so who cares? But where does it stop? Should we start playing and censoring schindler's list in school and TV? Suddenly we have a generation of kids growing up that doesn't think nazi's are a big deal (not that this example is perfect, but I'm sure it can be applied to other examples you can think of, even if they arn't as big a deal) creating the possibility that it could happen again, or more of a possibility. Are books next? DL something on your computer to automatically edit online books? May not be a big deal now, but what happeens if books switch nearly completely to digital?

I suggest reading Fahrenheit 451, especially his essay at the end about censorship (may only be in certain prints, not sure).

Cynthetiq · 05-04-2005, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Zeraph

I'm still very much against this and censorship of any kind....here's a thought, if you don't want to see sex/violence/whatever don't watch it!

Here's a very simple, if unrealistic, example of why I don't like it. Say I'm an artist and I produce this sentence: "Killing is not good" but there is a censorship device that edits out negative words, so now the sentence is changed to "Killing is good". That is not my message, and to play it as if is were is cheating me, my work is presented as a lie, and I don't care if they know it's being censored that's not what I created it for.

You may still be thinking, its self censorship, what they do doesn't hurt me so who cares? But where does it stop? Should we start playing and censoring schindler's list in school and TV? Suddenly we have a generation of kids growing up that doesn't think nazi's are a big deal (not that this example is perfect, but I'm sure it can be applied to other examples you can think of, even if they arn't as big a deal) creating the possibility that it could happen again, or more of a possibility. Are books next? DL something on your computer to automatically edit online books? May not be a big deal now, but what happeens if books switch nearly completely to digital?

I suggest reading Fahrenheit 451, especially his essay at the end about censorship (may only be in certain prints, not sure).

intersting, when I'd meet them I'd know they were Epsilon Semi-Morons because they would have never seen it in a book or movie.

04-09-2004, 03:45 PM	#41 (permalink)
TM875 Addict Location: Amish-land, PA	Personally, I'd want to toss a porno DVD in it and see what happens...it might just self destruct. __________________ "I've made only one mistake in my life. But I made it over and over and over. That was saying 'yes' when I meant 'no'. Forgive me."

05-04-2005, 09:15 AM	#45 (permalink)
rockogre I aim to misbehave! Location: SW Oklahoma	Well, I for one think that we should just prepare to give up and bow down before our Wal-Mart overseerers. It's just an evil, woman hating, slave driving, cult I tell you. Now, back to the movie. __________________ Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American G. I. One died for your soul, the other for your freedom

04-10-2004, 02:00 PM	#43 (permalink)
twilightfoix Insane Location: in the clouds ;)	yeah ok. this censorship thing has just hit a whole new level. people just need to get over this kind of shit and let people watch what they wanna watch.

05-04-2005, 11:42 AM	#46 (permalink)
Zeraph Banned Location: The Cosmos	I'm still very much against this and censorship of any kind....here's a thought, if you don't want to see sex/violence/whatever don't watch it! Here's a very simple, if unrealistic, example of why I don't like it. Say I'm an artist and I produce this sentence: "Killing is not good" but there is a censorship device that edits out negative words, so now the sentence is changed to "Killing is good". That is not my message, and to play it as if is were is cheating me, my work is presented as a lie, and I don't care if they know it's being censored that's not what I created it for. You may still be thinking, its self censorship, what they do doesn't hurt me so who cares? But where does it stop? Should we start playing and censoring schindler's list in school and TV? Suddenly we have a generation of kids growing up that doesn't think nazi's are a big deal (not that this example is perfect, but I'm sure it can be applied to other examples you can think of, even if they arn't as big a deal) creating the possibility that it could happen again, or more of a possibility. Are books next? DL something on your computer to automatically edit online books? May not be a big deal now, but what happeens if books switch nearly completely to digital? I suggest reading Fahrenheit 451, especially his essay at the end about censorship (may only be in certain prints, not sure).