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Old 04-08-2004, 02:02 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Subject is a pun.

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Coming soon: The smut-free DVD


Just as long as it goes no further
American cinephiles will soon be able to enjoy their movies without sex, violence, swearing - indeed, without any of the interesting bits.

Wal-Mart, the country's mightiest retailer, is preparing to ship a $79 DVD player that automatically strips out potentially offensive content.

The gadget, made by French-owned RCA, aims to tap into mounting concern in the US about media standards.

But the self-censoring technology has run into protests from Hollywood.

No sex, please

The RCA player is the first to incorporate the screening technology of Clearplay, a Salt Lake City-based company.

Many firms provide bowdlerised versions - not always legally - of Hollywood films, but Clearplay operates at a higher level of sophistication.

Clearplay scans movies for dodgy content, and then programs that data into its system.

Subscribers can then watch standard copies of the 500-or-so films on its list, with the assurance that they will automatically skip over mute anything that children or the squeamish may not like.

Until now, Clearplay has only run through a PC.

The naked truth

The launch of the new player, which RCA says was at Wal-Mart's urging, could hardly be better timed.

Ever since the singer Janet Jackson bared a breast during the SuperBowl, US regulators have been highly jumpy about what goes out over the airwaves.

"Increasingly it seems the media is not playing close to the line, but is outright leaping past the line and in fact daring the audience and daring the government to do anything about it," Michael Powell, chairman of the Federal Communications Commission, told a media seminar last month.

"Some of the transcripts I have been forced to read reveal content that is pure trash, plain and simple."

The FCC has fought shy of tougher state regulation, but has handed out some unprecedented indecency fines in recent months.

The same, but different

But Clearplay and its rivals face a challenge from the other direction.

A Hollywood consortium, including some of Tinseltown's top directors, has sued Clearplay and others, arguing that they are abusing the films' artistic integrity.

By producing - without permission - altered versions of intellectual property, censors are effectively pirating directors' and studios' work, the lawsuit argues.

Clearplay hopes to escape through a loophole: instead of making new versions of films, it argues, its technology is simply another way of playing the existing movie - no more an abuse than a viewer fast-forwarding a tape in his own home.

The case is pending, but RCA has decided to press ahead regardless.


REF: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3611969.stm

Personally, as this is self selected censorship, I have absolutely no problem with it.

Thoughts?
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Old 04-08-2004, 02:07 PM   #2 (permalink)
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It doesn't bother me any, although the filtering should be able to be stopped if the owner wishes to stop it.

Does it surprise anyone that the software comes from a SLC-based company?
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Old 04-08-2004, 02:11 PM   #3 (permalink)
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If I want to see the sex and violence, that's my business.
If others don't - that's their business.
Carry on.

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Old 04-08-2004, 02:17 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Like you said Mr. Mephisto, since this is self-imposed censorship, I don't think it's a big deal.
I wouldn't buy one, but I don't think they're trying to target the nudity, violence and profanity-loving demographic.
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Old 04-08-2004, 02:18 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Does it surprise anyone that the software comes from a SLC-based company?
my thoughts excatly.

people should use this if they feel the need... but i do see film companies point... id file a lawsuit.

its fine if people want to censor what they view.... but they start censoring my shit and they will have hell to pay.

*edit* if you dont want to see sex and violence dont watch rated R movies!
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Old 04-08-2004, 02:23 PM   #6 (permalink)
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self edited out of new information.


can anyone name a movie that would be as good as the original if it was censored like that? i can't.
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Old 04-08-2004, 02:26 PM   #7 (permalink)
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can anyone name a movie that would be as good as the original if it was censored like that? i can't.

How about ones with gratuitous sex and violence?

I think that's the whole point.

I don't see any reason to make a bid deal about this. It's a hell of a lot better than actually censoring the original content.


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Old 04-08-2004, 02:36 PM   #8 (permalink)
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at least it's not REISSUING the content like they were doing in Utah.

that is copyright infringment, but this allows for people to, do as they please for themselves.
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Old 04-08-2004, 02:43 PM   #9 (permalink)
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By producing - without permission - altered versions of intellectual property, censors are effectively pirating directors' and studios' work, the lawsuit argues.

Clearplay hopes to escape through a loophole: instead of making new versions of films, it argues, its technology is simply another way of playing the existing movie - no more an abuse than a viewer fast-forwarding a tape in his own home.
They are not altering the movie in any way. If you play it in a normal DVD player it will not exclude anything. It's just the MPAA trying to jump on the opportunity to make a buck.

Hollywood has been castrated enough lately, this is a way for them to make what they want and avoid some consumer complaints.

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at least it's not REISSUING the content like they were doing in Utah.

that is copyright infringment, but this allows for people to, do as they please for themselves.
What are you referring to in Utah?

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Old 04-08-2004, 02:49 PM   #10 (permalink)
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They are not altering the movie in any way. If you play it in a normal DVD player it will not exclude anything. It's just the MPAA trying to jump on the opportunity to make a buck.

Hollywood has been castrated enough lately, this is a way for them to make what they want and avoid some consumer complaints.



What are you referring to in Utah?
http://www.cleanflicks.com/
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Welcome to CleanFlicks.com

As your premier source for edited DVDs and Videos, we have over 500 titles available to buy online. If you would rather rent edited movies, look for an authorized dealer near you or visit Rentals Section to rent online!
here's where they run afoul with the MPAA
We only edit movies on our list.
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Ordering options A and B
A) Send us your VHS/DVD movie to be edited. We edit it and ship it to you.

Edit a VHS movie for $14.00 plus shipping.
Edit a DVD movie for $18.50 plus shipping.

B) We buy the VHS/DVD movie for you, edit it, and ship it to you.
Buy and edit a VHS movie for $26.95 plus shipping.
Buy and edit a DVD movie for $36.95 plus shipping.
an interesting dissection of the CleanFlicks vs. Hollywood

http://research.yale.edu/lawmeme/mod...rticle&sid=360
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Old 04-08-2004, 02:53 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Hey, I see no problem there. Not that I'd buy it. Ever.
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Old 04-08-2004, 02:59 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Wait. Was that by any chance posted on April 1?


Because that's fucking retarded, if you don't mind me saying.
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Old 04-08-2004, 03:05 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Because that's fucking retarded, if you don't mind me saying.
why?

If you want to ALLOW yourself to see porn and gratuitous violence then why should someone else allow themselves to NOT see that stuff?

your intolerance is equal to theirs if you can't at least admit that they have the right to do what they need to ensure that they don't expose themselves to such things.
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Old 04-08-2004, 03:06 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Re: No f**king way...

couple years ago, car manufacturer say they will eliminate the lighters in cars in support of whatever bullshit they can think of (just an excuse to cut features out), well that one folded quick

this dvd thing, I don't know man, I can the swearing should be cut out, I don't enjoy hearing it even when my wife says "i want to suck your fucking cock" (okay I actually like that one)

my point is, sex is a component in life that shouldn't be censored, but the swearing, educated people can express themselves without swearing too much...so I want my kids to know that
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Old 04-08-2004, 03:06 PM   #15 (permalink)
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I gotcha sex and violence right here!
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Old 04-08-2004, 03:19 PM   #16 (permalink)
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As long as it doesnt effect my film watching in any way im fine with it. Hopefully they dont sell too well, else it might be percieved that people want these blander, less interesting films (versions of films) and future films will be made blander to suit.

These things will only destroy a good film though, i doubt they will be used to censor dawn of the dead type horror films or anything of the sort, as they would become unwatchable, but to more take out the one or two graphic scenes in a otherwise "safe" film. Trouble is more graphic scenes in films like this are usually put in for a good reason, to illustrate a point, a highlight of the film etc. People with this device will really be missing out. ah well, its thier loss.
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Old 04-08-2004, 03:24 PM   #17 (permalink)
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I gotcha sex and violence right here!
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Old 04-08-2004, 03:33 PM   #18 (permalink)
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I can see why cleanflicks is being sued. They should be. The MPAA should sue them for every penny that they made.

The self censoring DVD player is totally different since it leaves the original copy completely intact.
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Old 04-08-2004, 05:06 PM   #19 (permalink)
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How about ones with gratuitous sex and violence?

I think that's the whole point.

I don't see any reason to make a bid deal about this. It's a hell of a lot better than actually censoring the original content.


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name one that would still be good.
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Old 04-08-2004, 06:05 PM   #20 (permalink)
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I gotcha sex and violence right here!
Watching this would be a damn sight better than some of the crap Hollywood is feeding us!



Hey, no disrespect intended, King.
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Old 04-08-2004, 06:28 PM   #21 (permalink)
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name one that would still be good.
I tend not to watch movies with gratuitous sex and violence, so I can't.

But, as has been said already, if you CHOOSE not to watch edited movies, then that's fine. You can even say they would be no good. Conversely, concerned parents could also CHOOSE not to watch unedited versions. They may think your taste in movies is "no good".

Different strokes my friend, different strokes...


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Old 04-08-2004, 07:17 PM   #22 (permalink)
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A couple more thoughts on this now that I've had a few hours to think on it:

1. I do have a problem with this - it's basically censoring your movie according to someone else's standards. We all have our own idea of what's acceptable and what's not - but the words and/or actions are cut depending on someone else's interpretation of what's obscene or violent - not our own. But since I'll never buy one of these DVD players, it's really not a concern.

2. It could be a good thing in that if I ever found myself with nothing to do for 5 minutes, I could watch <i>Pulp Fiction</i>
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Old 04-08-2004, 07:21 PM   #23 (permalink)
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As long as people have a choice, I have no beef with such self-censoring products... However, there is a dark side to any invention.

What may begin innocently enough can evolve into something truly dangerous to freedom of speech and expression.

&lt;Tin Foil Hat&gt;
It will happen like this: More and more self-censoring devices will enter the market. Eventually people will become so accustomed to them, that censor chips will be a given in any product.

The next step would be to introduce a more avanced version of the self-censoring DVD - one where you cannot control what is censored. It will censor things by itself, so that a truly caring parent will not have to worry about messing with complicated controls.

More and more of these automatically-censoring devices will enter consumers' hands - they will be more affordable, and have special online features not available in "dirty" devices. Soon it will be impossible to get a hold of one that lets you view media the way it was meant to be viewed - but of course by then the media itself will have adapted, and censored out everything that can be censored before it even reaches your DVD!
&lt;/Tin Foil Hat&gt;

Whew.
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Old 04-08-2004, 07:49 PM   #24 (permalink)
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I've no problem with such crazy inventions.

I wouldn't buy one, nor would I sit through a movie that got the "good bits" skipped over automatically.

Really, though, what's next? Bleep out the cuss words, or cut them out of the movie as well?

Pulp Fiction might lose some of its appeal, that's for sure.
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Old 04-08-2004, 08:39 PM   #25 (permalink)
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why?

If you want to ALLOW yourself to see porn and gratuitous violence then why should someone else allow themselves to NOT see that stuff?

your intolerance is equal to theirs if you can't at least admit that they have the right to do what they need to ensure that they don't expose themselves to such things.
Eh, I made myself unclear. I believe they have the RIGHT to do anything they want regarding their movies. The self censoring DVD player is essentially a more sophisticated version of the Fast Forward button.

That doesn't change the fact that I think anyone who uses one is a complete tool. Nothing personal, but I believe that there are much better ways to raise your kids than showing them adult movies with all the "naughty bits" taken out. Like reading to them. Oh, and if you're doing it because YOU don't want to see it... just rent a different movie, eh? Why would you get something you don't want to watch?

That is all.
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Old 04-08-2004, 08:42 PM   #26 (permalink)
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I tend not to watch movies with gratuitous sex and violence, so I can't.

Different strokes my friend, different strokes...


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Old 04-08-2004, 08:53 PM   #27 (permalink)
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This is great.

Nobody is going to buy this. Hopefully Walmart has a ton of money locked into this venture.
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Old 04-08-2004, 08:57 PM   #28 (permalink)
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a teaspoon of sugar makes the medicine go down, eh ?
Actually one occurred to me whilst I was washing up (don't ask...).

How about Caligula?

A movie with lots of great actors and what was apparently a good script, that the director added porn to after most of the shooting was complete.

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Old 04-09-2004, 03:12 AM   #29 (permalink)
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This is great.

Nobody is going to buy this. Hopefully Walmart has a ton of money locked into this venture.
did you see how many stores CleanFlicks has? If they only sell to 1% of America, it still will make money.
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We have a bad word filter on my little sisters' tv. It's not that bad, it does stop them from hear about 90% of the language. I wouldn't even bother watching a movie like requim for a dream though, Probably every war movie would be ruined too. As long as its not forced, I'm fine with it.
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Old 04-09-2004, 06:52 AM   #31 (permalink)
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I wonder if it will remove any profanity? My mother scorns watching ANYTHING that has one word of profanity and misses out on a lot of good movies. There are a few I think she would enjoy watching but because she's so extremely sensitive she refuses. This might open up that door for her. Cool stuff.
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Isn't anyone else concerned that Walmart is trying to be everyone's moral concience?
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Old 04-09-2004, 08:02 AM   #33 (permalink)
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Isn't anyone else concerned that Walmart is trying to be everyone's moral concience?
no surprise

walmart does lots of market research and then asks manufacturers to make products based on that research.
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In a family setting, I think they are just attempting to provide consumers with products that will aide in the blocking of profanity and nudity that younger children shouldn't have to view yet until they are older or at the discretion of their parents.

I can view both sides of the fence. I get sick and tired of watching movies/TV ads/TV shows that always revolve around sexual situations and where every other word is a swear word. If I want sex, I'll rent a porn movie! If I want swearing, I'll go hang out at the docks with some sailors.

I don't agree with censorship but I do agree with the providing of the equipment to block it out if necessary when there are small children involved.
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Old 04-09-2004, 08:18 AM   #35 (permalink)
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Old 04-09-2004, 08:23 AM   #36 (permalink)
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Actually one occurred to me whilst I was washing up (don't ask...).

How about Caligula?

A movie with lots of great actors and what was apparently a good script, that the director added porn to after most of the shooting was complete.

Mr Mephisto

i have wanted to see that movie since i was a kid and i learned that it was full of sex, LOL. i suppose that you could still cut alot out of it and still get the point across that Ceasar had some sexual issues. but as a filmmaker now , you might have to plan ahead on individual censorship, and elude to physical acts with verbal dialogue, so people could still understand what was happening without the sex scenes. seems like it would take some of the fun out of filmmaking.
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Old 04-09-2004, 09:59 AM   #37 (permalink)
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Like I said in Hal's thread, technology is giving us options to see what we don't want our kids to see, and gives the "right" less ammo to take away the freedoms of adults.
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Old 04-09-2004, 10:59 AM   #38 (permalink)
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I want to vomit uncontrollably for an hour.

I want to cry for humanity.

No rant is long enough, mean enough, or could fully support or come close to representing my feelings of disgust, DISAPPOINTMENT, and nausea over this developement.

This is simply filthy.

I have to yell.

AMERICA: Raise your kids properly and we won't have these problems.
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Old 04-09-2004, 11:47 AM   #39 (permalink)
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One more step to self censoring electronics, one more step to viewing television and movies as I'd like to.
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Old 04-09-2004, 02:01 PM   #40 (permalink)
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One more step to self censoring electronics, one more step to viewing television and movies as I'd like to.
I don't think this could carry over to television. My idea of self censoring is cutting out what is offensive to certain people. Therefore, the censored version is going to be shorter than the original version. Commercial breaks and schedules would get all fucked up unless they just had something like a black screen during visually offensive scenes and overdubs over language.

The only drawback I see here is if it becomes maditory for products to include this software. The TV has the V-chip which is included in all new TVs. Whether or not you want it you have to pay for it. That is fucked.
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