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i8one2 01-10-2004 07:17 AM

All MENCH! you gave the father the gift of a happy lasting memory of his baby! what more can be said.

sexymama 01-10-2004 08:08 AM

I appreciate the way you managed to tell the truth, yet give the man what he needed/wanted. Excellent job!

Holo 01-10-2004 08:38 AM

I had a dream about this thread...I forgot the girl was dead in the dream and I had the third roll and I went up to "her" in the store and said "I have your third roll. Do you want it?" She took it and looked at me funny like I was insane. I then remembered the real girl was dead and I just gave some strange girl a roll of pics that weren't hers.

Yes I'm insane. :o

Snakebyt 01-10-2004 09:16 AM

great job, he didnt need the 3rd roll anyways, but you never know, he may have known about her drinking and drugs, so that may not have been a shock to him, but her in sexual situations.. no dad ever wants to see that of his daughter, no matter the situation

SecretMethod70 01-10-2004 09:30 AM

Good way of handling the situation. If I were the dad though I would not have gotten the pictures developed.

Willy 01-10-2004 01:29 PM

Quite a story. I think you handled it amazingly well.

ninety09 01-10-2004 01:55 PM

Very well handled! You and the father both handled this with a lot of maturity. Good job!

GuttersnipeXL 01-10-2004 02:04 PM

Way to go man. That is exactly how it should have gone down. That would have been so crushing for the father to have that image of his passed daughter in his head. It's hard to say what I would have done, were I in the fathers shoes. I'm sure the guy thought it over quite a bit, before he showed up at your store. Anyway, good on ya man, your an upstanding citizen.

slimcr 01-10-2004 03:10 PM

wow, certainly makes one think.....

holtmate 01-10-2004 08:48 PM

I don't think that the situation could have been handled any better. You did the right thing on all counts.

NeverBorn 01-10-2004 09:23 PM

I think you made the right decision. In the end its how you feel, why should you feel guilt to make a man feel better about his daughter, in this case. Ignorance is bliss..

amonkie 01-10-2004 09:49 PM

Sometimes it's nice to feel like we have the job we do for a specific reason... in this case I think you definitely part of something special to help this father deal with grieving.

MySexyAssJ 06-22-2006 01:28 PM

Quote:

"The last roll has pictures of your daughter having a great time with some friends. It looks as though it was very recent, and she had a big smile in every picture. The pictures themselves would have been a memento to her, but will mean nothing to you."
the whole time i was reading your story, i kept thinking of what i could possibly say to the father to make it easier..
the way you said it was the best possible way!!! :)

WhiteDevil 06-22-2006 09:45 PM

That's really touching, probably the most sincere thing I've ever read on a board. I think you handled that way better than most would have, I would have had a hard time with it. You did the right thing. You get a imaginary medal from me :)

rhaevyn 06-23-2006 05:53 PM

If I were in the man's position, I don't know if I would have even gotten the pictures developed. If I did, I wouldn't want to know the contents of the graphic pictures. And if I were in your position, I'd like to think that I would handle the situation as well as you did.

SaltPork 06-23-2006 07:38 PM

You did the right thing. As a father of two daughters there are things that a father shouldn't see and you kept them from him. You're a good man.

Brewmaniac 06-23-2006 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ratbastid
Man.

I've gotta say, analog, I already had a lot of respect for you. Now I've got more.

I hope I could have handled it with the grace you demonstrated.

You should be proud of yourself, I know I am!!!

little_tippler 06-24-2006 01:35 AM

You handled the situation perfectly...it was very tactful and nice of you. Well done!

Lady Sage 06-24-2006 04:50 AM

You sir deserve to be nominated for sainthood! You not only preserved his vision of his daughter but you very tastefully said ...you dont wanna see that third roll.
Well met mister Analog and bravo.

Kadath 06-24-2006 06:15 AM

Woah, what brought this thread out of the sleep of ages?

xepherys 06-24-2006 10:30 AM

Wow, this is an old thread. Glad to see the last two years haven't jaded people against sensitivity (hey, two years can change a LOT). Analog, I'm very impressed with how you handled it. I know not many have really answered your question about how they'd have handled it from either side, but I don't think there's much to say on the matter. Hats of to you good chap!

Nimetic 06-24-2006 05:46 PM

Seems ok to me. Both of you handled it perfectly I think.

I don't know if I'd have managed it so good - thanks for the fine example.

Toaster126 06-25-2006 12:33 AM

Hehehe, I'm sorta glad this got dredged up from the past. I would have never seen this thread.

Looks like there is another reason Analog is the "good twin". :)

Cynthetiq 06-25-2006 12:53 AM

Interesting... I've been reading this over again, and realized that almost everyone including myself did not answer the OP when it was first posted, and now some that revisited it, did not again. We just patted analog on the back for being a decent human being.

Quote:

So my question is this- take any position in this story- his or mine, or do both- and tell me what you would have preferred. Would you WANT to know what your daughter's pictures were of, even if it spoiled your "angel" view of them, and were graphic? Would you have even had the film developed at all? And if you were in my shoes, how would YOU have handled it?
If I found pictures of my loved ones having sex, yes it would be a shocker, but it's not any more shocking than knowing that they eat and take a shit, meaning that having sex is part of it. It's living in denial that they never did such actions. Yes, it would suck to stumble upon the pictures, especially after they passed on.

2 years ago, I'd probably done like you. 2 years later, today in my life, I'd have given him all of the pictures. It's not for me to interpret them for him, sex or drug use.

Zyr 06-25-2006 03:05 AM

Honestly, I know I wouldn't have been able to handle that anywhere near as well as you, and I can't imagine a better way. Well done.

stevie667 06-25-2006 03:35 AM

Kudos on the good decision, definatly made the right call.

TexanAvenger 06-25-2006 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toaster126
Hehehe, I'm sorta glad this got dredged up from the past. I would have never seen this thread.

Ditto on that. I would've never seen this thread otherwise... and Analog's stock just went way up in my books.

As for the actual question asked, what would've happened would have depended on what side of the counter I stood. On the developing side, I honestly believe I would've done much the same. I couldn't've given the man those pictures when he was clearly deeply set in grief and asked not to see them.

On the father's side of the counter... I want to think that I could handle and would ask for all the pictures. Solely in the mental scenario that I have in my head, that would be the case. I would want to know that she did go out and have fun and do the reckless things that I did. I would want to know she enjoyed her life how she wanted to. Her giving some guy head wouldn't exactly be warm-fuzzies, but at least I would have some kind of satisfaction that she was alive and took advantage of that. But confronted with the actual death of my daughter (assuming I ever have one), I don't know that I could stand, in the midst of my grief, to see her in any light other than an innocent one.

Analog - You kick so much more ass than I knew. Thanks for reaffirming that there's some humanity left in people.

merlin 06-25-2006 04:41 PM

Like everyone above me has said, I think you did the right thing in the most tactful way. I probably could not have come up with that myself.

But by not giving the photos to the father, wouldn't that put some doubt in his mind about his daughter? Without exactly knowing what his daughter did, his imagination could run wild and perhaps it would be a worse result than if he had actually seen the photos. Just a thought.

analog 06-25-2006 05:53 PM

I had no idea I had so much room for "being a nice person" improvement. lol

Gilda 06-25-2006 06:36 PM

If it were my child, I think I'd want to know what was on the pictures, but of course there isn't really any way to put myself in his shoes so it's entirely speculation on my part, and I certainly can't judge him for wanting to preserve his memories of his daughters as a sweet, innocent girl.

I think the fact that this was a father and daughter had a lot to do with the attitude. Again, I'm not judging him, he has every right to try to memorialize his daughter as best he can.

It was a difficult situation and you handled it with grace and tact.

Gilda

3Z3VH 06-27-2006 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cynthetiq
Interesting... I've been reading this over again, and realized that almost everyone including myself did not answer the OP when it was first posted, and now some that revisited it, did not again. We just patted analog on the back for being a decent human being.



If I found pictures of my loved ones having sex, yes it would be a shocker, but it's not any more shocking than knowing that they eat and take a shit, meaning that having sex is part of it. It's living in denial that they never did such actions. Yes, it would suck to stumble upon the pictures, especially after they passed on.

2 years ago, I'd probably done like you. 2 years later, today in my life, I'd have given him all of the pictures. It's not for me to interpret them for him, sex or drug use.

I think giving him the third roll would have been the WORST thing to do to that father. Think of it from his point of view, he tells you not to give him pictures of his princess if they are ones he wouldn't want to see... so you hand him a bunch of pictures of her having sex and doing drugs, then you ALSO tell him there was a roll that mysteriously couldn't be developed. Could you IMAGINE the complex that would give the poor man ? He would think "If pictures of her giving head and taking drugs weren't bad enough for me to see, what was on that roll that was so bad the clerk would tell me they couldn't be developed ?!"

Also, if I was the father, I am sure I would have done it the same way he did. My little girl is dead, and I am despirately trying to find any memento I can of her life, and I find 3 rolls of undeveloped film. The best record of anyone's life short of video. There is no way I would leave them undeveloped, but I definitely would have found an intermediary to filter me from what I wouldn't want to see... not sure if I would have trusted the clerk to be that intermediary, but who else could you trust would never let word get back to you about what was in any questionable pictures ? Only someone totally outside of your life would work for that role.

deri 06-28-2006 06:37 AM

As the store clerk, I would have done as you did and given him the 1 roll of developed film. I guess I'm not as quick on my feet as your solution was a bit more elegant though. :)

billege 06-28-2006 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redlemon
Forget about just telling us... that should go in your company policy manual on "how to handle difficult situations". Nice work.


Bravo.

I really don't think that could have been handled better.

Her party pictures were her private life, something she'd have likely not shared w/her parents on her own. You kept that where it should stay, and satisfied his reqeust as best as I think anyone could possibley have done.


Fantastic job.

/ faith in humanity goes up a few points today.


I would have gotten them developed, and I hope I'd have had the forsight to trust someone to do for me what you did.

There are things children don't share with thier parents, as some things are none of thier business. I'd like to respect that privacy, even after death.

kutulu 06-28-2006 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cynthetiq
2 years ago, I'd probably done like you. 2 years later, today in my life, I'd have given him all of the pictures. It's not for me to interpret them for him, sex or drug use.

I don't get that, the father specifically requested that the photos be censored for him. If you wouldn't be comfortable with that you should let him know in advance.

thingstodo 06-28-2006 10:33 AM

Dude...you really came up with a creative, caring way to handle a situation. I can't imagine me coming up with something so cool. The father obviously was aware of something and also understood what you were saying. He also knows you are honest and took a stand. Not many people are willing to do that these days.

You are the kind of guy employers want to hire... you should think of a way to use this experience one day to show how you think and relate to people.

blahblah454 06-28-2006 09:53 PM

Im with lots of others when I say I am glad I read this. I always liked you analog, but now my respect has been greatly increased. I read about 30 posts before I even realised it was old. You did an amazing job and handled that great I think.

Arsenic7 06-28-2006 11:26 PM

Top it off with the large probability that someone that young DIED because of a drunk driving accident, perhaps after that very party, and I'd say what you did was certainly admirable.

I imagine people in busy development shops are often presented with quirky moral dillemas for some reason.

keyshawn 06-29-2006 05:46 PM

wow, analog, I seriously admire you for your actions.

I have trouble fathoming what I would have done if I were the father. Maybe, I would definitely have had an intermediary (possibly a younger relative) 'filter' them and judge what pictures would be suitable for me.
For someone to completely entrust this delicate responsibility to a complete stranger is a bit heartwarming and surprising, because of the notion that there is a lack of trust and empathy between strangers in today's world. It definitely puts things in perspective and reminds me of how benevolent people in this world can be.

This thread belongs in a 'best of TFP' section !

Regards,
will.


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