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Teens Turn Legal Plant Into Dangerous Drug

Teens Turn Legal Plant Into Dangerous Drug - Police: Parents Should Look Out For 'Angel Trumpet'

UPDATED: 10:04 a.m. EST November 14, 2003

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- Television station KMBC uncovered a new drug craze that could turn deadly.

The drug, which is ostensibly legal, is made from a plant available at many nurseries. When distilled, toxins in the plant's leaves can cause hallucinations that last for hours or days.

Last month, someone twice stole the plant -- called the Angel Trumpet, Datura or Jimsonweed -- from Johnson County Community College's botanical department. The plant has become such a hot commodity, local nurseries are getting calls from teens who ask how much the plant costs and how they can get one, the station reported.

Jesse Rollwagon, a narcotics detective with the Overland (Kan.) Park Police Department, first took notice of the plant a few months ago.

"Basically, this is just a poison," he said. "It cooks your brains sometimes."

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clavus

Newsflash - there are are somewhere between a bajillion and a kabillion naturally-occuring things that will get you fucked up. Many can kill you. Jimson weed is just one. Ergot, Hensbane, fermented grain, some toads, some fish, foxglove, wormwood...

The difference between getting loaded and getting "poisoned" is just a matter of how much you take.

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Old Old Old

Been around forever. Hallucinations are supposed to last for months. You make a tea out of the flowers. It's supposed to really mess you up. Permanant like.

And, don't eat marigold seeds.

I love how news programs hype stuff like this. It'll never give some stupid, impressionable person the wrong idea....Did they say how to make the stuff that was messing the people up? Who's being irresponsible here.

There's lots of things growing out there that'll give you a buzz, or kill you, if you eat, drink, or smoke it.

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Spartak

My mate's sister did this once, apparently she was tripping for about 3 days.

There have also been some deaths in New Zealand because of Datura, but those have been brushed underneath the rug lately, instead the media is trying to stamp out the current methaphetamine craze.

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Jam

yeah ive seen this stuff lots and knew it was a drug that can kill you... smells fucking nasty... eew

filtherton

I tried that shit once. It didn't do anything for me, but one of my friends ended up in the psych ward for about a month after tripping for about a week.
To top it off many people have small "flashback" type hallucinations for months afterwards.

31Friction

I read an article of a kid cutting his tongue off and feeding it to his dog on the stuff. and it wasnt a joke. this stuff is very very serious and VERY bad for you.

http://www.erowid.org/plants/datura/datura.shtml

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=6441

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Esoteric

I read an article about a guy who cut his tongue and penis off. He had some of the tea and cut them off with hedge clippers. This is some serious shit though.

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Jimsonweed has been around for a long time, but thankfully it's not that popular with the kiddies. It can really mess up your central nervous system. Don't mess with that shiat.

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Sledge

Wow.

Very interesting thread.

Stupid kidlets.

analog

Kids will do dumb shit no matter what, and a news story on a "new threat" that's as old as dirt itself does nothing but dumb kids dumber ideas. This seems to come up as a "major news story" once every few years. I'm guessing someone rich or famous or with a loud mom dies and then it makes the news again. The cycle repeats.

bundy

i was taught that Angel Trumpet was dangerously poisonous.
its a pretty looking tree, but its still poisonous.

silly silly kids. but hey, whatya going to do?
kids will be kids.

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guthmund

I had a temporary roommate (Couch canoodler) who was a drug veteran.

He once tried this stuff and told me it was "some scary shit."

I've seen this guy do inhuman amounts of drugs and do dangerous things with them so such a recommendation was certainly eye-opening.

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riptide4070

My old best friend does too many drugs. It has ruined his life. This stuff is scary, but some people don't see it that way.

thanks for the thread

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GuttersnipeXL

Pfffff...Jimson weed grows like grass around here. They tried erradicating a bunch of plants a few years ago, but didn't really succeed because the stuff is everywhere. I know some people who tried it and said it wasn't shit compared to good acid, and left them with ridiculous headaches and dehydration. Persnonally I don't go eating or cooking up or injecting some random plant into my body. Not my cup of tea.

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MSD

Teens turn legal ____ into dangerous ____.

So many things fit this mold that nothing is surprising.

Teens turn legal fuels into dangerous bombs
Teens turn legal vehicles into dangerous weapons
Teens turn legal fireworks into dangerous prrojectioe weapons
Teens turn legal food into dangerous objects to be dropped off of highway overpasses
Teens turn legal cleaning products into dangerous inhalants.

It's a period in every person's life that they take risks, turn something useful or benign into something dangerous. Whether they decide to have a bottlerocket war or piss off those of us who paintball responsibly by firing into a crowd on a sidewalk, or decide to huff a can of Lysol, some kids will find ways to hurt themselves or others with perfectly legal materials.

YzermanS19

I've done it, its stupid.

Datura is lame crap......go buy illegal drugs folks, most are better anyway.

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bernadette

eeeek!

i did enough drugs when i was younger, but i never ever wanted to do the hallucinagenics. apparently pot is a mild hallucinagenic & i can vouch for that. while i once upon a time smoked weed often & most times it was just the typical buzz, a couple of very rememberable times i did take trips whilst smoking that sent me flying into outer space. i didn't like it either.

some kids though will try absolutely anything to get high & lots of 'em like hallucinating. it's really scary and bad irreversible things do happen sometimes...

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Tophat665

OK, perspective:

The difference between a drug and a poison is intent.

When people have been saying old, I think they have not really been getting across exactly how old: people have been using jimson weed as a halluciagen for 10000 years or more.

Castaneda describes a well supervised Dautura Trip in <i>The Teachings of Don Juan</i>. While, as with any sacramental ritual, a large part of it was probably garbage, they went to pretty great lengths to prepare the dosage of the drug to regulate it's toxicicty.

I had a buddy who went to prison for a while, and jimsonweed was the only thing he could lay hands on to trip with. (I know, tripping in prison is probably completely insane, but, this guy, well, there you have it.) Said it was one of the most unpleasant experiences of his life (He did chopped stems and leaves steeped in a thermos overnight). Dead relatives came and bitched him out for a subjective week over the night.

That said, I don't have anything against hallucinagens. In proper dosages and properly chaperoned, they can lead one to the heights of ecstacy, spiritual or hedonistic. I have never heard of one that was addictive (though I have had a few friends get way too into LSD - pretty scary stuff. One compeletely fried his brain and went from hot shot artist to drooling idiot, but the other completed law school with an internship at DOJ last year, so you never can tell.)

With that in mind - relatively benign and possibly beneficial when administered and attended properly, and non addictive, I would say that most hallucinagens should be legal, but disppensed by lisenced professionals.

Finally, if kids got the straight dope on cannabis, so to speak (inhibits learning for 2 days after use, f'rinstance, so don't do it on school nights), and didn't risk long jail time for growing a plant or two, I think we would see an end to jimsonweed as a drug for any but the hardcore thrill seeker.

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Fire

I seem to remember reading about a starving brittish garison in a fort in the americas eating some of that back in the 1700's appartently that was a bad scene in a big way- If I remember right it was fort jimson they were at, hence the name

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SofaKing

Thats really sad, I dont know why teens are so fixated on getting high. Go get laid or something kids.

Fire

Correction and clarification- found the source- 1676, the brittish troops were sent to jamestown to suppress a rebelion- apparently they ran short of rations and cooked some of the weeds- and tripped for around 11 days, ran around naked, and generaly remained harmless to the rebels, who were later beaten by other brits- ever after it the weed was called Jimsonweed

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thegreek

damn this is scary

PredeconInferno

I don't understand what compells people to do something like this... I mean... why would you want to take something that's obviously harmful.

We're supposed to remain lucid, not hallucinating all the damn time.

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Bloodslick

MrSelfDestruct has the right idea. Teens are forever turning benign things into sources of danger. When I was in high school, the older brother of one of my friends kept his door locked at night because my friend sleepwalks, and because my friend had an arsenal of homemade potato guns in his room.

You can't crush stupidity.