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Tophat665 · 11-16-2003, 07:10 PM

OK, perspective:

The difference between a drug and a poison is intent.

When people have been saying old, I think they have not really been getting across exactly how old: people have been using jimson weed as a halluciagen for 10000 years or more.

Castaneda describes a well supervised Dautura Trip in <i>The Teachings of Don Juan</i>. While, as with any sacramental ritual, a large part of it was probably garbage, they went to pretty great lengths to prepare the dosage of the drug to regulate it's toxicicty.

I had a buddy who went to prison for a while, and jimsonweed was the only thing he could lay hands on to trip with. (I know, tripping in prison is probably completely insane, but, this guy, well, there you have it.) Said it was one of the most unpleasant experiences of his life (He did chopped stems and leaves steeped in a thermos overnight). Dead relatives came and bitched him out for a subjective week over the night.

That said, I don't have anything against hallucinagens. In proper dosages and properly chaperoned, they can lead one to the heights of ecstacy, spiritual or hedonistic. I have never heard of one that was addictive (though I have had a few friends get way too into LSD - pretty scary stuff. One compeletely fried his brain and went from hot shot artist to drooling idiot, but the other completed law school with an internship at DOJ last year, so you never can tell.)

With that in mind - relatively benign and possibly beneficial when administered and attended properly, and non addictive, I would say that most hallucinagens should be legal, but disppensed by lisenced professionals.

Finally, if kids got the straight dope on cannabis, so to speak (inhibits learning for 2 days after use, f'rinstance, so don't do it on school nights), and didn't risk long jail time for growing a plant or two, I think we would see an end to jimsonweed as a drug for any but the hardcore thrill seeker.

11-16-2003, 07:10 PM	#20 (permalink)
Tophat665 Minion of the scaléd ones Location: Northeast Jesusland	OK, perspective: The difference between a drug and a poison is intent. When people have been saying old, I think they have not really been getting across exactly how old: people have been using jimson weed as a halluciagen for 10000 years or more. Castaneda describes a well supervised Dautura Trip in <i>The Teachings of Don Juan</i>. While, as with any sacramental ritual, a large part of it was probably garbage, they went to pretty great lengths to prepare the dosage of the drug to regulate it's toxicicty. I had a buddy who went to prison for a while, and jimsonweed was the only thing he could lay hands on to trip with. (I know, tripping in prison is probably completely insane, but, this guy, well, there you have it.) Said it was one of the most unpleasant experiences of his life (He did chopped stems and leaves steeped in a thermos overnight). Dead relatives came and bitched him out for a subjective week over the night. That said, I don't have anything against hallucinagens. In proper dosages and properly chaperoned, they can lead one to the heights of ecstacy, spiritual or hedonistic. I have never heard of one that was addictive (though I have had a few friends get way too into LSD - pretty scary stuff. One compeletely fried his brain and went from hot shot artist to drooling idiot, but the other completed law school with an internship at DOJ last year, so you never can tell.) With that in mind - relatively benign and possibly beneficial when administered and attended properly, and non addictive, I would say that most hallucinagens should be legal, but disppensed by lisenced professionals. Finally, if kids got the straight dope on cannabis, so to speak (inhibits learning for 2 days after use, f'rinstance, so don't do it on school nights), and didn't risk long jail time for growing a plant or two, I think we would see an end to jimsonweed as a drug for any but the hardcore thrill seeker. __________________ Light a man a fire, and he will be warm while it burns. Set a man on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life.