splck

I wonder how outraged people would be if she came to class and mixed a rum and coke for show and tell.
I'm not condoning making a bong at all, I think it's terrible that she learned how to make one.

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Mupwah

Regardless if the parents actually taught the kid to do it the are mostly responsible. Parents especially are the most influncial people in a childs life. Kids are very perceptive and pick up on attitudes expressed by the parent. They may not smoke in front of a kid but thier attitude shows what they think. Parents teach morals and values which guide behavoir especially at a young age. Even if a brother or friend showed the kid it is still the parents fault for not teaching the child appropriate behavoir.
The parents need to be dealt with.

I spend my working days dealing with the problems caused by substance abuse. Maybe their are some that use for"recreation" but wait untill they get caught with some dope during a traffic stop and watch thier life spiral downward. Court fees, lawyers, maybe jail and supervision. Also the stigma of being labled a dope smoker. That guy with the successful job may find himself in the unemployment line because his employer has a zero tolerence policy. If he is lucky maybe he only has to go to 30 days rehab. Then everbody has their eagle eye on you.

Doing any kind of illegal substance has potential consequences. So does drinking and driving. If you are willing to risk all the consequenses for doing drugs or driving drunk ask yourself, Is this rational behavoir? I could end up in jail, lose my job, pay thousands of dollars to the court, but what the hell I'll do it any way.

I have 13 years of experience dealing with substance abuse and I can tell you if its Illegal it will very likley catch up to you one day. Are you willing to risk it?

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sixate

I would react exactly the same way because we all know where the kid would learn how to do it.
I don't think that parents should be getting high or drunk around their kids. That's just not a good thing... EVER!

BlueBongo

It's amazing what things are coming to now-a-days. I didn't really even learn about or use drugs until I was in HS... I never would've thought of making a bong in class when I was 5... all those opportunities in ART class and I wasted 'em... dammit.

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Force 10

This is what I'm talking about YoureNeverThere...This is a good argument without an attack. I totally respect Sad_Machine and he's altered, if only slightly, my perception of this subject.

I will say I went overboard Sad_Machine on the not being able to contribute to society...It must just be that the over acheivers I tend to hang out with, the parents whos kids respect and try to idolize them don't smoke weed. I can see your point but since I haven't smoked weed on a regular basis for years, I wouldn't know.

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YES!

IC3

Too off topic..Started new thread

twotimesadingo

Nope. Don't ever plan to. And I'll still tell you that it screws you up. Why? Because medical studies show that it negatively impacts brain cells. There's controversy as to whether the brain cells are killed, whether they are put to sleep for such a length of time as to suffer from atrophy and die, or whether they are merely affected for a shorter span of time. But nevertheless, brain cells are affected. I would call that "screw[ing] you up." Granted, that's a matter of semantics, and is entirely subjective, but at least now you know where I'm coming from.
My pothead friends are screwed up, by the way. And do you know why I generalize? Have you ever taken a statistics class? A large sample (generally agreed upon to be greater than 20) is often indicative of characteristics within the population from which it's taken. That's simply biology and mathematics. Out of 20 pot-smokers I know, six have gone to college and/or have steady jobs. Not a very good ration.
Save your breath telling me "everyone is not that same", and "it's not fair to generalize." The former is obvious, and the latter I've explained in more than suitable detail.

You smoke it 'cause you like the high. So... exactly what I said, right?
You'll also recall that I didn't argue effects of marijuana, I argued motives for smoking the stuff. My point, as I noted above, you proved.

Well, shit. I didn't realize we were going to look at crimes in a quantitative manner, and disregard the severity of each. I'll make sure to use this same approach the next time someone tries to tell me there's no difference between murder and petty theft.
For possession of pot, you can go to jail for 10 years (in most states; there is no federal law after all).
For online copyright infringements, one can go to jail for 3 years. Not to champion the government, but even life politicians, with their completely jaded and skewed views of life, see a difference.

I'm not sure if this is in response to me, or others; I'll answer as though it was intended for me:

I don't care. I never said pot-heads should die, or that they were a plague to society. Do all the drugs you want, just don't hand me a line of bullshit to justify your addiction and illegal activities. Don't try to tell me that it makes you philosophical, that life becomes more beautiful, or that existence becomes clearer; you're fucking high. If it were about the altered state of consciousness and its effects upon your inquisitive psyche, there are plenty of alternatives, some that are even healthy for you. Why not give those a whirl?

No. I believe I've already rebutted this point.
My favorite band crusades freedom of choice -- and thus drug use. Do I agree? Yes, and no. I think personal choice is a great ideal, and that very few things should limit it.
Do I think drug use should be widespread, or legalized? No. Argue all you want, but it is dangerous. That high kid, driving his car while trying to stuff a Twinkie into his mouth, is dangerous. Don't even dare call him an anomaly, 'cause I'll call you a willfully ignorant fuck.

Damn. I'm sorry for basing my perception upon past experiences and events. Wait...! Doesn't everyone do that? Isn't that a basic fact of life?

I thought that all birds could fly until I studied the ostrich in school. For most authority figures, this was acceptable. Yeah, my perception before that was wrong, but it was pretty close. Conversely, trying saying all birds can't fly because you know the ostrich can't seems rather uninformed.

Congratulations on going places. As I've mentioned, I know many who have not. It takes a special will, intellect, and emotional makeup. Given that, maybe you want to consider yourself the exception to the rule, rather than the opposite.

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striderkevin

With all that's on television these days, this incident can be partially attributed to that. However, when you really get down to it, the entire matter comes back to the parents. It's them who usually corrupts their children, and they got nobody to blame but themselves.

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galaxygirl

I agree with twotimesadingo. Didn't the parents notice that she was taking the makings of a Coke bottle bong with her to school?

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Esoteric

Pretty sad what some kids can learn in a household.

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Jonsgirl

I have to wonder, though, if she really understood what she was making and what it was used for. The report never says that the girl said "hey, everyone, I'm going to make a bong. It is used for smoking pot."
It's easy for people who have been around pot to recognize a bong, but you have to remeber that she is only five. She might of thought it was just something pretty. And it's not like she showed her classmates how to pack the bowl or anything.

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Force 10

You not living where I live has nothing to do with you having no idea, trust me in that. But since you’re eager and I was quite lazy in my last post, let’s “break it down” further so the populace can understand exactly where you are coming from and exactly where I’m coming from.

Actually, your extravagant exaggeration of my original sentence, “I disagree. I think most people who smoke weed on a regular basis don't know who they are” is the real hyperbole. I stated just exactly what I thought. So, it is your insecurity that you believe people who smoke weed are dumb. Don’t put words in my mouth unjustly. I say just exactly what I want to say and I don’t need you trying to tell me what I mean. I’ve been away from mommy for quite some time now, thanks.


I said: I believe most people who smoke weed on a regular basis are hiding from reality
You guessed wrong. I drink on occasion. In fact, I sit here sipping my cordial while I write this. NEED…So, to need something, it must be a physical need for it to be obtrusive to ones life? Sure it’s been proven that pot isn’t physically addictive (I’ll take your word for it) but what about the psychological effects? These are the effects I worry about most. If one can’t figure out in ones own mind what’s good or not good for their body and soul and they need to be reminded solely on the physical addiction, I feel that’s a pretty damn addictive and destructive drug. Surely you must agree to that logic? Hey you know, Ecstasy isn’t physically addictive either. Think about that for a moment. We all escape from reality; yes it’s true. My point was simply that I truly believe, from personal experience, that those who choose to hit the bong every day (or there about) are hiding from reality. No less than the person who gets drunk on a regular basis is doing the same. It’s fucking stupid to me that people are so enthralled with thinking this is perfectly okay to the point of allowing their children to just know that their parents smoke weed let alone allowing them to partake. These are the people who have nothing good to contribute to society. Ultimately, I could give a shit how good of a show you put on at work and how few traffic tickets you’ve received. It’s your kids that count. They are who represent you when you’re gone. They are what the rest of the world is left to deal with. If you can’t raise your kids properly, you’re not worth a shit.



I said: . I do agree that there are a lot of financially successful pot smokers in this world. I do not believe that they are mentally stable.
Probably not mentally unstable in the way you think I mean it. I mean mentally unstable in that they, in my opinion, are fogged to reality. Take it for what you will.


I said: I think they are slaves to the drug and only interested in creating a flase sence of reality of the world once they get home from work. I do believe most pot smoking lifers don't have much to contribute to society.
That’s too funny, I was thinking the same thing…I mean you started off with “hyperbole” and are ending with "hyperbole" as well. That’s funny shit if you ask me. But then you didn't ask me so I suppose it’s not that funny. Oh well, I make myself laugh.


Okay, so you know old ones and young ones, not one of which is a slave to the drug. WAKE UP, you can find a few in that crowd. I don’t have much to say to that except the pot’s gone to your head, man. I do believe that you (referring to your “we” comment) have things to offer to society…just look, you have Jimmy Hendrix on your side. That’s ”pritty” impressive...

All jokes aside, I’ll say it to you again. If you are a pot smoker and you think it’s perfectly fine to raise your children in a pot-smoking environment, you have absolutely nothing to contribute to society. This last paragraph pretty much sums up what I was trying to convey previously...nothing more, nothing less.

arcane

if she made a 6 foot gravity bong then she could have made the cover of high times
hahaha

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jeenyus

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