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Old 10-01-2003, 01:37 PM   #41 (permalink)
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I wonder how outraged people would be if she came to class and mixed a rum and coke for show and tell.
I'm not condoning making a bong at all, I think it's terrible that she learned how to make one.
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Old 10-01-2003, 01:52 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Regardless if the parents actually taught the kid to do it the are mostly responsible. Parents especially are the most influncial people in a childs life. Kids are very perceptive and pick up on attitudes expressed by the parent. They may not smoke in front of a kid but thier attitude shows what they think. Parents teach morals and values which guide behavoir especially at a young age. Even if a brother or friend showed the kid it is still the parents fault for not teaching the child appropriate behavoir.
The parents need to be dealt with.

I spend my working days dealing with the problems caused by substance abuse. Maybe their are some that use for"recreation" but wait untill they get caught with some dope during a traffic stop and watch thier life spiral downward. Court fees, lawyers, maybe jail and supervision. Also the stigma of being labled a dope smoker. That guy with the successful job may find himself in the unemployment line because his employer has a zero tolerence policy. If he is lucky maybe he only has to go to 30 days rehab. Then everbody has their eagle eye on you.

Doing any kind of illegal substance has potential consequences. So does drinking and driving. If you are willing to risk all the consequenses for doing drugs or driving drunk ask yourself, Is this rational behavoir? I could end up in jail, lose my job, pay thousands of dollars to the court, but what the hell I'll do it any way.

I have 13 years of experience dealing with substance abuse and I can tell you if its Illegal it will very likley catch up to you one day. Are you willing to risk it?
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Old 10-01-2003, 02:07 PM   #43 (permalink)
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I wonder how outraged people would be if she came to class and mixed a rum and coke for show and tell.
I would react exactly the same way because we all know where the kid would learn how to do it.
I don't think that parents should be getting high or drunk around their kids. That's just not a good thing... EVER!
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Old 10-01-2003, 02:12 PM   #44 (permalink)
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It's amazing what things are coming to now-a-days. I didn't really even learn about or use drugs until I was in HS... I never would've thought of making a bong in class when I was 5... all those opportunities in ART class and I wasted 'em... dammit.
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Old 10-01-2003, 04:08 PM   #45 (permalink)
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Personally, I think a lot of people who smoke weed actually have a deeper knowledge of who they are. Sure, there are some people that smoke weed to get "messed up," but marijuana also inspires you to look at things from a different point of view and different state of mind. One can discover many insightful things about themselves and the world around them when high. Marijuana helps one to relax and in that time, you do a lot of thinking. On the topic of smokers not being mentally stable, I really have no idea where your coming from on that one. And as for smokers not having much to contribute to society, art and music go hand-in-hand with drugs, as does most literature.
This is what I'm talking about YoureNeverThere...This is a good argument without an attack. I totally respect Sad_Machine and he's altered, if only slightly, my perception of this subject.

I will say I went overboard Sad_Machine on the not being able to contribute to society...It must just be that the over acheivers I tend to hang out with, the parents whos kids respect and try to idolize them don't smoke weed. I can see your point but since I haven't smoked weed on a regular basis for years, I wouldn't know.
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Old 10-01-2003, 04:12 PM   #46 (permalink)
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Many things make me reject drug use, but this argument alone really hammers home my decision on the subject.

People (and I'm generalizing; I'm referring to two standard deviations on the bell curve) don't smoke pot to ponder existence, they smoke it to get high. If you really want to argue otherwise -- regarding the proportion, at least -- then you're deluding yourself. I don't care how you want to rationalize it for yourself (you're doing something illegal, and there's no way around it), but don't peddle your veiled, false logic here. You tell me that it allows you to look at life in a different manner, from a different perspective; how 'bout you go on a fucking hunger strike, then? Not as enjoyable, is it?

It's all about integrity. I drink fermented beverages. I don't claim to do that because there's a delicate point between total inebriation and stone cold sobriety that lowers my inhibitions to a level which allows me to live a fuller, more enjoyable life and consider things in greater detail; I do it to get drunk, or to nurse something with some friends, or to dance like a white boy should. I'm honest with myself.
Yeah, I've come to some pretty strange conclusions when my mind is muddled with drink, but I'm not gonna lie through my teeth and tell you that's why I do it...

Beat those parents with a shovel, I say. Their self-involved activity is nothing if not detrimental to their child. Their inability to monitor such simple activities as show-and-tell, and secret their illegal activities from their child, show that they are still babies themselves.
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Old 10-01-2003, 04:42 PM   #47 (permalink)
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Too off topic..Started new thread

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Old 10-01-2003, 05:49 PM   #48 (permalink)
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I love how people who don't smoke Marijuana can say how addicting it is and how it screws you up.

Have you ever smoked Marijuana? (And I don't care about how screwed up your pothead friends are, I am asking you)
Nope. Don't ever plan to. And I'll still tell you that it screws you up. Why? Because medical studies show that it negatively impacts brain cells. There's controversy as to whether the brain cells are killed, whether they are put to sleep for such a length of time as to suffer from atrophy and die, or whether they are merely affected for a shorter span of time. But nevertheless, brain cells are affected. I would call that "screw[ing] you up." Granted, that's a matter of semantics, and is entirely subjective, but at least now you know where I'm coming from.
My pothead friends are screwed up, by the way. And do you know why I generalize? Have you ever taken a statistics class? A large sample (generally agreed upon to be greater than 20) is often indicative of characteristics within the population from which it's taken. That's simply biology and mathematics. Out of 20 pot-smokers I know, six have gone to college and/or have steady jobs. Not a very good ration.
Save your breath telling me "everyone is not that same", and "it's not fair to generalize." The former is obvious, and the latter I've explained in more than suitable detail.

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It is not physically addictive, You don't crave it like you do a smoke....I don't anyways. I smoke it cause I love the high you get from it.

And what Sad_Machine said about marijuana letting you look at pretty much everything in a different perspective...Is totally true. And don't say it isn't...Unless YOU have actually had the expierence.
You smoke it 'cause you like the high. So... exactly what I said, right?
You'll also recall that I didn't argue effects of marijuana, I argued motives for smoking the stuff. My point, as I noted above, you proved.

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Don't bitch about people who smoke Marijuana cause it's illegal. I bet the majority of this board who doesn't do drugs or drink...Or do anything Illegal, Still download MP3's. Don't say that's different, Cause Illegal is Illegal.
Well, shit. I didn't realize we were going to look at crimes in a quantitative manner, and disregard the severity of each. I'll make sure to use this same approach the next time someone tries to tell me there's no difference between murder and petty theft.
For possession of pot, you can go to jail for 10 years (in most states; there is no federal law after all).
For online copyright infringements, one can go to jail for 3 years. Not to champion the government, but even life politicians, with their completely jaded and skewed views of life, see a difference.

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To all of you who are in love with classic rock (Jimi Hendrix, The Doors etc etc.) Some of you are so against drugs, But remember that album that came out when you were younger from Jimi Hendrix or whoever? I would put money down that all or most was written under the influence of Marijuana or some drug. Even today we know some of our favourite artists are doing drugs, But everyone who is against drugs will still go out & buy that CD.

Some of the best music has been created by pot heads...So don't knock it...Or cut yourself loose from anything & everything that has been invented under the Influence of Marijuana...Cause next time you go out & buy a CD that is produced by a Pot Head...You are supporting their habbits..In a small way.
I'm not sure if this is in response to me, or others; I'll answer as though it was intended for me:

I don't care. I never said pot-heads should die, or that they were a plague to society. Do all the drugs you want, just don't hand me a line of bullshit to justify your addiction and illegal activities. Don't try to tell me that it makes you philosophical, that life becomes more beautiful, or that existence becomes clearer; you're fucking high. If it were about the altered state of consciousness and its effects upon your inquisitive psyche, there are plenty of alternatives, some that are even healthy for you. Why not give those a whirl?

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Or is it that if you can get some kind of entertainment out of it, Then it's ok if it was a pot head who made that song...But the average guy smoking a joint after work is SO wrong and illegal and screwing up our lives and mind. Well, I would like to think that you people would think the same for Musicians and other Celebrities...But they are famous so it's ok right?
No. I believe I've already rebutted this point.
My favorite band crusades freedom of choice -- and thus drug use. Do I agree? Yes, and no. I think personal choice is a great ideal, and that very few things should limit it.
Do I think drug use should be widespread, or legalized? No. Argue all you want, but it is dangerous. That high kid, driving his car while trying to stuff a Twinkie into his mouth, is dangerous. Don't even dare call him an anomaly, 'cause I'll call you a willfully ignorant fuck.

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I have been smoking since I was about 16 or 17..I am 25 now. I graduated from high school, Got a full time job, I now own my car...Have a few other things that I worked hard to get.

But every pot head is a loser, Lazy, No motivation etc etc.

Don't judge every smoker the same way as you judge your friends that smoke.
Damn. I'm sorry for basing my perception upon past experiences and events. Wait...! Doesn't everyone do that? Isn't that a basic fact of life?

I thought that all birds could fly until I studied the ostrich in school. For most authority figures, this was acceptable. Yeah, my perception before that was wrong, but it was pretty close. Conversely, trying saying all birds can't fly because you know the ostrich can't seems rather uninformed.

Congratulations on going places. As I've mentioned, I know many who have not. It takes a special will, intellect, and emotional makeup. Given that, maybe you want to consider yourself the exception to the rule, rather than the opposite.
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Old 10-01-2003, 06:01 PM   #49 (permalink)
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With all that's on television these days, this incident can be partially attributed to that. However, when you really get down to it, the entire matter comes back to the parents. It's them who usually corrupts their children, and they got nobody to blame but themselves.
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Old 10-01-2003, 07:14 PM   #50 (permalink)
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I agree with twotimesadingo. Didn't the parents notice that she was taking the makings of a Coke bottle bong with her to school?
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Old 10-01-2003, 07:55 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Pretty sad what some kids can learn in a household.
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Old 10-02-2003, 09:58 PM   #52 (permalink)
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I have to wonder, though, if she really understood what she was making and what it was used for. The report never says that the girl said "hey, everyone, I'm going to make a bong. It is used for smoking pot."
It's easy for people who have been around pot to recognize a bong, but you have to remeber that she is only five. She might of thought it was just something pretty. And it's not like she showed her classmates how to pack the bowl or anything.
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Old 10-03-2003, 08:42 PM   #53 (permalink)
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Ruprex, This whole debate and every single nearly identical debate that goes on here comes down to the fact that you, or sixate, or whoever, don't like drugs, and other people do. Sixate has been clear and articulate about why he doesn't many many times and I can respect that. Granted, I don't live where you live, so I have no idea, but really, lets break it down.
You not living where I live has nothing to do with you having no idea, trust me in that. But since you’re eager and I was quite lazy in my last post, let’s “break it down” further so the populace can understand exactly where you are coming from and exactly where I’m coming from.

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I guess that was hyberbole, trying to overstate for emphasis, you think people who smoke drugs are dumb...
Actually, your extravagant exaggeration of my original sentence, “I disagree. I think most people who smoke weed on a regular basis don't know who they are” is the real hyperbole. I stated just exactly what I thought. So, it is your insecurity that you believe people who smoke weed are dumb. Don’t put words in my mouth unjustly. I say just exactly what I want to say and I don’t need you trying to tell me what I mean. I’ve been away from mommy for quite some time now, thanks.


I said: I believe most people who smoke weed on a regular basis are hiding from reality
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For sure for some people it is an escape, it's been proven, as far as anything concerning pot as been proven, that it's not physically addictive. So, it's not that they NEED to smoke it, not physically anyway. So I guess you don't drink, or really do anything distracting at all, because escaping reality is something that we all do.
You guessed wrong. I drink on occasion. In fact, I sit here sipping my cordial while I write this. NEED…So, to need something, it must be a physical need for it to be obtrusive to ones life? Sure it’s been proven that pot isn’t physically addictive (I’ll take your word for it) but what about the psychological effects? These are the effects I worry about most. If one can’t figure out in ones own mind what’s good or not good for their body and soul and they need to be reminded solely on the physical addiction, I feel that’s a pretty damn addictive and destructive drug. Surely you must agree to that logic? Hey you know, Ecstasy isn’t physically addictive either. Think about that for a moment. We all escape from reality; yes it’s true. My point was simply that I truly believe, from personal experience, that those who choose to hit the bong every day (or there about) are hiding from reality. No less than the person who gets drunk on a regular basis is doing the same. It’s fucking stupid to me that people are so enthralled with thinking this is perfectly okay to the point of allowing their children to just know that their parents smoke weed let alone allowing them to partake. These are the people who have nothing good to contribute to society. Ultimately, I could give a shit how good of a show you put on at work and how few traffic tickets you’ve received. It’s your kids that count. They are who represent you when you’re gone. They are what the rest of the world is left to deal with. If you can’t raise your kids properly, you’re not worth a shit.



I said: . I do agree that there are a lot of financially successful pot smokers in this world. I do not believe that they are mentally stable.
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Ya there are tons of financially successful potheads, but mentally unstable? really? because they get high? You think that becuase they get stoned, they are mentally unstable...
Probably not mentally unstable in the way you think I mean it. I mean mentally unstable in that they, in my opinion, are fogged to reality. Take it for what you will.


I said: I think they are slaves to the drug and only interested in creating a flase sence of reality of the world once they get home from work. I do believe most pot smoking lifers don't have much to contribute to society.
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Man, you start off with some hyperbole, and I can only wish that this part was too, I mean, 'Slaves to the drug'? I've smoked pot for a long time, many of the people I know older and younger do, and I've never once met a 'slave' to it, ever. And you don't believe that we have anything to contribute to the society? do you like Jimmy Hendricks? Many many writters, now and in history, there are pot smokers in almost every niche that this world has to offer, I'm pritty sure they have lots to offer.
That’s too funny, I was thinking the same thing…I mean you started off with “hyperbole” and are ending with "hyperbole" as well. That’s funny shit if you ask me. But then you didn't ask me so I suppose it’s not that funny. Oh well, I make myself laugh.


Okay, so you know old ones and young ones, not one of which is a slave to the drug. WAKE UP, you can find a few in that crowd. I don’t have much to say to that except the pot’s gone to your head, man. I do believe that you (referring to your “we” comment) have things to offer to society…just look, you have Jimmy Hendrix on your side. That’s ”pritty” impressive...

All jokes aside, I’ll say it to you again. If you are a pot smoker and you think it’s perfectly fine to raise your children in a pot-smoking environment, you have absolutely nothing to contribute to society. This last paragraph pretty much sums up what I was trying to convey previously...nothing more, nothing less.

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Old 10-04-2003, 01:59 AM   #54 (permalink)
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if she made a 6 foot gravity bong then she could have made the cover of high times
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