08-01-2003, 03:19 AM | #41 (permalink) |
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I would honestly rather that the government move to extract any mention of marriage in tax regulation than to attempt to define it. As for legal issues (life insurance, benefits) society is handling this on their own -- many employers offer "domestic partner benefits", and everyone, gay or not, should have a will.
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08-01-2003, 04:27 AM | #42 (permalink) | |
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08-01-2003, 06:38 AM | #43 (permalink) |
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I like receiving moral messages for our whole society from a guy that can't keep his own family in check.
Daughters in all kinds of trouble. Niece is a drug addict. Brother's being investigated for fraud - with the other brother who is governor of Florida, of all things. Numerous failed business ventures that left employees high and dry. His own DUI and admitted cocaine use. But he's got the moral roadmap for the rest of us. |
08-01-2003, 06:49 AM | #44 (permalink) | |
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08-01-2003, 07:44 AM | #45 (permalink) |
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When you get those people who are like "You know brothers and sisters, I was lost to the evils of drink... every night I would drink a bottle of vodka and fall down to sleep in the gutter like a common vagrant. I was lost to the eveils of drug use... I once got so bombed I couldn't even tell you my name. I was LOST to the eveils of fornication... I saw orgies, acts of wanton lust that would make your hair stand up."
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08-01-2003, 09:11 AM | #46 (permalink) |
Flavour of the Weak
Location: Canada
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the church's anti-gay-marriage point of view is well-justified in their own outdated, inhumanistic way.
way back when everyone was populating the world (once again, historical accuracy comes into question) gay relationships were discouraged because they did not result in offspring; thus no product. the jews condemned the gays because they were busy making themselves a bigger nation than the others - greater population = more strength. now, the modern-day inane church has not updated their religious "truths" to the twenty-first century; thus we're all still operating on the command to populate the earth. just another reason why i'm not religious - the church is to blame for many social injustices simply because it is in love with its own so-called glory. |
08-01-2003, 09:48 AM | #47 (permalink) |
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It seems like most of the sentiment here is for same-sex marriage. Does the American public agree with the majority here, or is TFP mainly liberal?
Just a question. As someone biologically minded, homosexuality doesn't make much sense. Scientists haven't found anything as of yet that would cause one to be gay. However, I really couldn't care less. It's your house. If you love, you love.
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08-01-2003, 10:29 AM | #48 (permalink) |
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I might not like it, and it makes me VERY uncomfortable, but they should do with their lives whatever they want. If they want to get married, just let them. Its not like they're doing the rest of us any harm...
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08-01-2003, 10:30 AM | #49 (permalink) | |
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Anyway, on to gay marriages. I totally support people who love and care for each other, and want to spend the rest of their life's together. If they happen to be the same sex, it doesn't matter. And if you want to say it is wrong for gay people to marry because that is what the Bible says, it also say the following - and I wonder how many people agree: If a man marries a woman and discovers she is not a virgin, she is to be stoned to death (Deut. 22:13) A stubborn or rebellious son shall be brought to the authorities and stoned to death (Deuteronomy 21:18-21) It is an abomination to trim the hair on one's temples or to trim one's beard (Lev. 19:28) Anything a woman touches during menstruation and for seven days thereafter is unclean (Lev. 12:6) |
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08-01-2003, 10:54 AM | #51 (permalink) |
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My church blesses same sex marriages, and i'm pissed off that george bush is looking for ways to prevent the free exercize of that religion by not legally acknowledging those unions.
So, to those who want to Christian bash: Don't blame "the church." Blame the churches that still preach intolerance. If there's anyway you can convince them...i'd love it. |
08-01-2003, 11:59 AM | #52 (permalink) | |
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08-01-2003, 12:17 PM | #53 (permalink) | |
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that is so true. i remember in govt class that we learned about the "living constituation" as the interpretation changes. the bible is not a "living bible" (obviously).
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08-01-2003, 01:38 PM | #54 (permalink) | ||
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I am, however, very ignorant in all aspects regarding homosexuality, so if I am wrong or misguided, please be kind.
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08-01-2003, 02:36 PM | #55 (permalink) |
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I was discussing this whole thing with my (gay) boss at lunch today, he said something along the lines of "A gay couple that stays together for life would do a whole lot less harm to the 'sacred' institution of marriage than any of the 1/2 of hetero marriages that end in divorce." I couldn't agree more.
I don't see how allowing two men or women to marry takes anything away from a hetero couple who marry. Will a gay marriage throw all the straight couples into a life of sin? I don't think so. Somebody should jam an 11" cock up Bush's ass. |
08-01-2003, 02:53 PM | #56 (permalink) | |
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1. homosexuality exists in other species so it's unlikely to be a purely social/psychological phenomenon; 2. homosexuality seems to have at least some genetic component to it; 3. homosexuality may be "caused" by some kind of hormonal influence while a fetus is still in utero. The going theory right now is that some combination of genetics and prenatal hormone exposure produces changes in the brain while a fetus is still developing that make it highly likely that person will grow up to be homosexual. It's hard to pull apart the possible environmental/psychological aspects of it, but more and more people are coming to accept that gay people are born gay, and that their sexual preference isn't a choice any more than heterosexuality is a choice. So, while it may not contribute to the propoagation of the species, it can still be considered "natural" in the sense of occuring for biological and not social reasons.
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08-01-2003, 03:11 PM | #58 (permalink) | |
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Homosexuality is not a genetic "liability" in that it is not completely selected against. Those genes live on in close relatives who express a heterosexual orientation. These are some reasons that have been cited as genetic reasons for the perpetuation of homosexuality: *Having some "gay" genes may help limit male agressiveness, which is a major factor in infanticide. *"Extra" people in a family with no offspring of their own help raise the orphans inevitably created in a dangerous premodern world. *Same sex attractions can help bind tribal units together-many species use sexual contact to enforce hieracrchy, relationships, etc...across and amongst genders. Simply put, despite the initial reasoning, there is no genetic arguement that homosexuality is not an inherited part of our species. |
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08-01-2003, 10:18 PM | #59 (permalink) | |
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To those who use teh bible to justify anti-homosexual positions (no, this is not an MSD original, I pulled it off the internet):
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