Zotz

I took some antibiotics a few months ago. Crazy ass stuff too. Made that sinus infection go away in less than a week. Scared the pants right off of me. I may never do that again!

For the heavier stuff - coke, pot, X, meth, etc., - never tried 'em and don't really see the point in using.

darksparkles

dude, that happened to me twice ... once severely, once mildly. my now-boyfriend [who wasn't my boyfriend at the time, heh] ended up taking care of me the severe time. it's not asthma [at least not with me], since i'm not asthmatic, but maybe the low blood sugar .. ? i dunno, it's a good theory.

but yeah, drugs - i avoid coke, heroin, speed and e like the plague. lsd kind of scares me. lately i've been trying to avoid putting substances in my body that haven't already been there ... so i still smoke pot a tiny bit and drink.

i've done opium once and on accident [a friend conveniently forgot to tell me there was a bit of opium left in her pipe when we smoked pot out of it], and i've been having a bit of an urge to try it again. i had a great time, actually, but felt like shit the next day, and so did my boyfriend, who'd smoked out of the same pipe. is that normal with opium? hmm.

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WhoaitsZ

dvorak: the smoke from pot should -help- your lungs during an asthma attack. it relaxes the muscles and open bronchia. i've not done any drugs, myself, besides pot once... i didn't care for it. i have a good friend who came -close- to totally fucking his life up due to them and i had a terrible addiction to a pain killer by mistake....

anyhow, i saw pantera in 2001 and was having asthmatic problems when a guy lit up in front of me. i inhaled some of the smoke..... my breathing got MUCH better.

however, asthma is a weird disorder. so it may have many, many odd affects on you.

forgotten_dream

I find pot to be alot of fun, especially relaxing with friends. But other than that and some alcohol I don't do much.

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Magpie0001

I agree its a learning experience, A few years back I did everything & I have learned from it. I dont even smoke now & only drink a couple of Guinness' every once in a while. I dont believe Im missing out.
I understand why drugs are attractive, why people use them & what they do.
While I was trying to quit (not the easiest thing I've ever done) I studied everything about drugs I could find, drug culture still fascinates me. I feel sorry for people who believe the "Just say no" bullshit cause I reckon drugs are just as much a part of modern society as hotdogs or Adidas & if you dont try & you dont know what it is like - "Who the fuck are you to tell me not to take this or that when you dont know what the fuck youre talking about??"
Drugs are not new, make no mistake the drugs industry is FUCKING HUGE & I think its impossable to eradicate them because no matter how much you deny it - theyre part of us, theyve been around since before your grandparents & theyre not going away.
I think the best approach is education, less people will die if they know what the fucks going on in thier minds/bodies instead of secretly taking a nondescript pill in the shadows & wigging out & ending up in the hospital or worse. Also education for me at leist was the best tool I found to stop taking when I decided enough was enough. But alas our governments (especially the American, no offence intended) think censoring & pusing something disagreeable into the shadows will make it go away.

Cuball

part of society or not, i'm not taking the risk and get addictive, call me a coward or whatever, maybe I can say no after a few tries, but what happens if I get addicted ...

no I stay away of hard-drugs,

alcholol now and then but that's about it ...

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Magpie0001

Maybe Iwas a little harsh, Apologies.

butthead

MDMA ("Ecstasy") isn't all that harmful when done in moderation and approached when a harm reductionist attitude. It can also be quite a shining experience.

wakelagger

I knew a kid once and it really scared me. He was 12, and he started out with pot. He was in grade nine by age 13 (he skipped a grade) and he did it all. Alcohol, valiums, codeine, shrooms, acid, methamphetamines, crystal meth, and cocaine. All at 13. You could see his condition deteriorate and his personality just faded away.
I ,personally, don't want this fate, and have remained drug free all my life.

bundy

wow, this is a really interesting thread.

i... don't mind em.

as far as recommending any of these to others, i never would. to try these is a risk people have to take by themselves without peer pressure.

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WhoaitsZ

what's the difference?

phoenix1002

I've never used drugs, or alcohol, for that matter. I generally avoid them like the plague. I enjoy life too much to risk screwing it up.

Just as a side note, you should all watch Requiem for a Dream. Such a good movie... and its really shows what can happen (if you haven't seen me, its not a preachy movie at all... its just an amazing film).

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WhoaitsZ, about $250.

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vermin

To those of you who think you're not too "weak minded" and can handle drugs, hear the voice of experience:

BULLSHIT!!

By the way, it's not "brave" to take a risk and try something new. None of these drugs is new. It "stupid" not to learn from your own mistakes or the mistakes of others.

And it's not that there are so many success stories by drug users that you just never hear about; it's that there aren't that many. Drugs WILL fuck up your life.

I'll stop here to avoid a rant.

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Bodidly

It's amazing that people and, or government officials that say weed is just horrible but prozac, zanax etc. is OK???,speed is bad. Diet pills, stackers etc OK?? cigs cause cancer that's OK?? not to mention liver disease from alchohol pot helps chemo patients w/ appetite, nausia thats bad seems like All things taxed are OK Those that aren't are bad.............
WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE?

bermuDa

if you've never tried them how do you know you don't like them?

I do everything in modesty... drugs are great when taken recreationally, but once you cross the line of addiction and they become a major part of who you are, it's a red flag. There are some drugs that I will never take or condone taking, but there are risks in everything we do, might as well have some fun.

I've imbibed my fair share of narcotics, and I've never considered myself addicted to anything. I can and have quit different drugs either because I decided I was doing them too much or just to flex my willpower... or because i was on probation

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butthead

There are minor differences in their pharmacology. Cocaine is also a local anesthetic.

Maybe you think it shows "what can happen" because you've never used before. The movie is unrealistic and unfair towards drugs and should not be taken as anything other than "what can happen if you are really fucking stupid and have severe emotional problems and get involved in drugs/worst case scenario".

I agree.

I disagree that "drugs WILL fuck up your life". You also cannot expect to know every story of every drug user ever. That is ridiculous.

blkdmnd

Anything in moderation.

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WhoaitsZ

blkdmnd says "anything in moderation" and i mostly agree.

I can think of two things to never do, period. crack and heroine.

everybody has an easy time of saying 'i can handle it' or 'you can't handle it' ... get over yourself, guys. every - single - human - is - different. some can do this and stop, some can do that. some may go in extreeme direcions by doing something, someone else may do the opposite.

cocain, from what i've heard and seen is dangerous but people who have an iron will of "i cannot do this on so and so day" can pull it off. if they can't control themselves they have no buisness fucking with their lives.

also remember why cocain is so addictive. it burns out your pleasure senses in the end and you have to do some math.... is this -good- feeling once in awhile better than the rest of my life? if you do it too much and then have to quit, if your brain goes in a certain direction you will _never experience pleasure again_


as for heroine, the opiat gives you an instant addiction doesn't it?

i'm against drugs, but i's my choice. i don't think most soft drugs should be illegal...... and when it comes to saying 'well pot will lead to lsd, lsd to coc, coc to crack'...... don't we do this already? kool-aid to cokes to coffee?

if i could do it physically i would try LSD but due to my condition i can't. so i don't. i have learned my limits on substance..... and i don't cross the line.

people with weak will..... stay away from danger.

bermuDa

i'm just curious what condition that is?

and i'd like to add a drug to that list: PCP

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phoenix1002

You're right. I've never used drugs before. But I have friends who do and are ok, and I've had friends who have died or killed themselves because of drugs. So please don't assume that just because I've never used drugs, I don't know what can happen because of them.

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Double D

This discussion has been enlightening with many points well articulated and heartfelt comments shared.

The most addictive drug (and perhaps one of the most dangerous overall) is nicotine. I haven't looked at the stats recently, but isn't about one-third of the population at any given time addicted to nicotine? Alcohol rounds out the most popular drug category unless one wants to consider caffeine. The number of lives corrupted by hard drugs is tiny in comparison to those affected by alcohol & nicotine. And friends, you probably know this but _ nicotine_ is the so-called gateway drug, not marijuana.

butthead

Cocaine doesn't do that. Stop using scare tactics and open your mind a little bit. Cocaine is so addictive because it happens to work through a particular dopamine pathway in the brain that has "behavior reinforcing" effects on animals and humans.

No, and second, physiological opiate addiction can easily be treated with an inexpensive, over the counter amino acid.

Physiological addictions are nothing compared to the desire to keep using the drugs.

And also, there is no fucking "e" at the end of heroin.

And what condition is that? Are you sure it's physical?

I didn't make the assumption that you don't know what can happen because you haven't used drugs. I made the presumption because you used RfaD as a fair drug representation.

BBtB

*warning 3 o'clock in the morning rant. There is probably nothing in here worth reading and I do apolgize in advance for anyones toes I ment inadvertantly step on

First off, while RFaD IS a good movie its far from what happens to drug users. That is like less then 1% of drug users go that way. One thing I have noticed as a general theme and the main reason it erks me that pot is illegal while things like Nicotene, alchohol and caffiene are legal. Lets stop making generlizations about drugs. Drugs will not defintly fuck up your life. They can. Just like any number of other things can. Just like eating to much can. Heartacttacks and a brain tumors can. Now this is just the Libertarion in me talking but I think we should make a number (maybe not all but a number) of drugs legal. I am not well versed in drugs enough to say which ones but an obvious one is pot. I have never heard a single argument for the illegalization of pot that I can not despute. Common ones are that it will be easier for kids to get if is legal. Bullshit. As any 8th grader can tell you it is several times easier to get pot then alcohol. And when is the last time you saw a alcohol dealer? Well the 30s... I have known many many potheads. I have known a few people that have done harder stuff. And I know just a very few who regulary do the hard stuff(And for the sake of argument the hard stuff is going to be coke and herion and related ones). A few things I will tell you from personal experince. Pot will not fuck up your life. You can have a fucked of life and smoke pot and it defintly will not help. To quote half baked "You ever suck dick for pot?" And one thing that pot does not do is lead to harder drugs. If all the people I have ever known that have done hard drugs and pot maybe half of them did pot first. For those who don't know. Pot dosn't get boring for most people. The effects are alot like alcohol (not exactly the same obviously but very simular) and you don't think about alcoholics getting bored right? Okay I have like a bunch of other things I want to say but I am really tired and none of this is comming out right so all I will say is to the people who have never done anything. Thats fine. Live your life. You know you will probably be better off for avoiding drugs but do not tell me what drugs do. Okay, I do not care about your best friend the pothead. Or your dad the coke fiend. YOU have not done drugs therefor you don't know shit. I have friends that have been to europe. They told me stories and showed me pictures. I am not going to go act like I have been to europe now. All I am asking is don't tell me how drugs have no uses. They may be of no use to you but depending on the person and how they use them and what they use and when.. they have uses.

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crazycousinjim

I have tried a whole slew of things. Pot, coke, LSD, mushrooms, speed, crystal meth, E to name a few well known types. I haven't touched any drugs in awhile, not that I have sobered up. Just haven't felt like it. By far the worst drug has to be (IMO) meth. Talk about an addictive drug. Kinda like pringles once you pop you just can't stop. But I pulled away from that just like all the rest. I think if you are going to use drugs for recreation or enlightenment you need to have enough respect for yourself to pull up. Drugs can be tons of fun and very enlightening but you have to respect them.

Junchbailey

Drugs are bad, mmmkay. Seriously though, I have never really been into drugs. I did acid once, it was New Years Eve 1999. I figured what the hell, there couldn't possibly be a better time. If the world was going to end at least I'd go out with a bang. I have smoked pot once in a while, but I never yearned for it. I'd just be hanging out with friends and if they're smoking, I will too. I've since gotten married and have a two month old daughter, so I've put that stuff behind me. I won't even get into how much of an alcoholic I was before I even reached my 18th birthday.

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WhoaitsZ

I have Spinal Muscular Atrophy, a neurelogical disease. the nerves and muscles do not communicate well and any alternating drugs could _really_ fuck me up.

bundy; calm down dude.

as for the movie RFaD..... that's way too extreme for an example. i'm sure it is more than possible, but the movie makes it kind of silly. for me anyways.

Fly

well put.

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Fly

and.................i too have asthma and i have a hit or two and it's cleared up.allbeit for only a couple hours then guess what......i have another hoot.

i'd rather put clean grown from the earth drugs in me than any man made SHIT..yes SHIT

headache=pot

asthma=pot

glaucoma=pot

cancer=pot

it helps out wonders.

hey micky...try it you'll like it

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butthead

Alternating drugs? What is the physical reason you cannot take LSD? I do not understand.

WhoaitsZ

from what i've been told, since my nerves do not communicate properly, it would be very dangerous to use somethig that could possiibly 're-wire' anything.

Troublebot

The occasional drink and the occasional toke. I've set rules for myself. I only drink or smoke if I'm where I'm gonna be for the next 12 hours of so (no drinking/smoking and driving).

I'll admit, I've gotten lucky. I drink and smoke socially and that's it. I can sit around with people who are smoking and not feel like I have to join in. I've taken the chances I have and haven't had to regret them.

I don't think I'll push it any farther (LSD, coke, etc). I'm happy with where I am now and don't see the need to push my luck with any other drugs.

P.S. Thanks to all for what's been a civil and constructive conversation. Drugs are a sensitive topic and it's obvious people have passionate views. The fact that this hasn't degenerated into something ugly is what makes TFP great.

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I like all kinds of stimulants. Although it has been a couple years since I have done anything. When I did not drugs, it was yay-o (cocaine) amphetamines, and the occational vicodin. But truely it was not that much.

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Johnny Rotten

I'll have a beer every once in a while, a glass of wine. I smoked cigarettes for a little over five years up until six weeks ago. Tried shrooms once, never did acid. Would be interested in attempting shrooms again. Other than that, I'm not interested in drugs.

You do what the hell you want behind closed doors, as long as it doesn't harm people.

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Mad_Gecko

Damn got bored readin' the sermons!

Here's the list:

Weed
Hash
Oil
Shrooms
Acid - Both Tabs and Liquid
Speed - inc. Meth
Coke
Crack
E's
Opium


Not a big deal. Only two of that list was I hooked on and it was mental only. Been clean on most of them for over three years. (90% of the list).
My parents taught me how to deal with the old school, and I learned from my own mistakes on the other (Which I will pass on).
I found it came down to a simple ?, do you want to rule your life or do you want an outside influence to do it for you.

I have no problem with someone experimenting and making their own mind up. Sorry to all you "Straight Lace" people out there, but your not 100% with the facts. If someone doesn't have the power to make their own decisions, they won't control any drugs even if "illegal" drugs are involved. In a "good" society they will turn to legal drugs like"prozac" and "viagra" and others.
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IC3

I just smoke weed, I have done other drugs that i am not going to mention...I wouldn't do these other drugs again though. I was experimenting.

BBtB

That as well as what flyman said is basically what it all boils down to for me. If it comes straight from the earth how can it be bad? (and yes I am aware there ARE some posinous plants and what not but I would rather take my risk with them then with some crazy compound)

butthead

Those very same "crazy compounds" are found your precious earth food too. What do you think gets you high in marijuana? Magic?

Second, "crazy compounds" are able to receive much more attention and safety testing than plants, which may contain dozens of psychoative chemicals.

BBtB

Yes, they are found in the earth. Just like uranium. I am going to go eat me a big bowl of that right now. What I am saying is they aren't naturally found that way. They are created by man. And if marijuana was made legal then it could get just as much attention and saftey testing as them. And I don't know of one of them you can't overdose on (I am sure there is one out there but I havn't heard it) when is the last time you heard of someone overdosing on marijuana?

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