bagatelle

In how many orders can a deck of 52 cards be arranged? Is this correct:

8.0658X10(exponent 67) different possible orders

Found it in the net, I never thought there would be so many combinations.

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Plan9

Context and Semantics Troll is Special.

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There is a total lack of T&A in this thread.

Somebody special post their nipples.

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Hektore

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filtherton

The exact expression is 52 x 51 x 50 x ... x 2.

The difference between the propensity for reflexive cynicism and the propensity for reflexive skepticism of reflexive cynicism is more than just a matter of context and semantics.

And somebody did post their nipples, but I can't see them anymore.

roachboy

i'm amused by your "some animals are more equal than others" line, plan 9.

worked real well on the animal farm.

maybe folk read orwell as an endorsement?

maybe folk dont read orwell----it's possible because exactly the sort of things he ridiculed these days wend their way around conservative ideology, repressive institutions and related spaces that impose the cognitive adjustments required for enthusiastic participation in the class war.

if some animals are simply more equal than others, the ideology that is being defended in the class war is neutral. you defend what is because it is.

no matter that the politics of---say---distribution of wealth or the relation distribution of cultural opportunities (you know those things that work to assure that formal equality in the united states never creeps over to substantive equality)----often produce the social deviance you may be called on to adjust.

no no----you're simply a more equal animal herding around the less equal animals and removing the recalcitrant or deviant. because they should recognize their less equal status when confronted with the more equal. the natural order of things for the less equal is submission.

that's funny.

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KirStang

I love it. Everything comes back to class warfare.

And now, a close approximation of what this thread's become:



.....Cuz I totally love scraggly man-nips.

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Plan9

Roachboy:

You’re amused? I’m amused. Can man live on a diet consisting solely of Whimsical Good Intentions? What's the RDA of Unicorn Blood and Fairy Dust?

Masturbatory Story Time: I read Animal Farm in high school. 1984 as well. Starship Troopers. Catcher in the Rye. Flowers for Algernon. I Am the Cheese. Hatchet. All of these important works; several times. Read them first in the public high school I attended where not all students were equal. Then after I graduated from the public high school were not all students were equal with my mediocre grades (because the system was okay with mediocrity, being as not equal as it was) I worked some blue collar jobs such as slinging lumber and running a cash register. Blah, blah, blah… 10 years goes by and boy graduates top of his class from a Major University by using What Is instead of wondering why What Should Be didn’t help out. Stupid in action, I say.

In that example? Of course I’m more equal than others. I was born into a system and made it work for me instead of masturbating about politics and socioeconomic stratification. Why should I care about anything else? I can't change it. I'm low on the totem. And I’m a total myopic prole like that. My only concerns are loading up my IRA, watching History Channel and cracking the top on my next beer. Richard Bachman’s Sanity at its finest, I say.

[insert poorly researched paragraph (rife with run-ons) about how mankind is basically a bunch of aggressive crabs in a barrel; other barbaric things that nobody with soft hands dares to consider outside of the confines of a history text opened somewhere between the Black Plague and French Revolution]

It's okay to have dreams, Roachboy. We all have them. Even dogs dream. I’m not an oracle nor a political genius--I don't work with The Future. I’m just another creature--I work with What Is. Tell me, how often do people with such grand ideals descend from their lofty towers to work with What Is?

Yeaaah.

Hope that made sense. I mean, I have no idea what the fuck you’re trying to say above so I just winged it with the self-righteous tirade routine.

To go from digitally flashing one's tits to an unsuspecting coworker to the moral imperative of those aware of socioeconomic segregation... in 40 posts.

By God... It Is What It Is.

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filtherton

So you don't think a person can make the system work for them while at the same time noting its flaws?

Some folks can chew gum and walk at the same time.

Plan9

World observed. Flaws noted.

Unicorn Blood. Fairy Dust.

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Tilted Politics: It's Ruining Conversations About Tits.

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Baraka_Guru

Well, I believe that we're essentially similar (not sure if we're the same). However, the bigger impact on outcome is through action based on variables in situations and environments. That's how you get variances between people; for example, you get people like Plan9, who are both more well-read and actually useful in society compared to people like me, who simply squander their potential.

If there truly is an essential variance between people, I refuse to believe that it plays a major role in who we are. It's not like white people are essentially better than everyone else.

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bagatelle

Generally people who get things done are considered better than others.

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roachboy

so let's see if i understand this:


sociology-->hard to think about. can't see the social through my gun sight.
masturbation.

class stratification-->complicated. i'd have to admit sociology mattered to get to it. pinko term in any event
commie masturbation.


formal equality-->abstract idea. don't like them.
masturbation.

substantive equality---> unamerican. only pinkos think about it.
masturbation.

complicated sentence structures---hard to read. i'm busy making the system work for me. don't have time to read hard things.
masturbation.

problems that might arise for a cop if that cop thinks that he and his cop buddies are better than the people around them--->non-existent. we are better.
masturbation


that about right?

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Plan9

Too much politics, big guy. I'm about as political as a Chia Pet.

And you totally forgot the part about me having a small dick.

Let's escalate to personal attacks. Your vocabulary is bigger.

And I'm armed with the use of the Shift key and the period.

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This is a thread about a girl showing her tits to another girl.

But if you want to beat on the retarded kid, be my guest.

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bagatelle

Whilst I was making pancakes, you have produced one cupful of sperm.

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roachboy

it's a strange thread.

and you misunderstand my form of playing. not serious. i just found a curious hole in your initial post and worried it a bit. took a couple minutes. they were interesting.

carry on.

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KirStang

Talking about Animal Farm and Imputing Views on to Other People....Capitalization....

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bagatelle

Katie Perry video make me think of those small sticks you light up at New Year's Eve (don't know what they're called in English) rather than fireworks. I could actually smell them. Then I saw Plan9 chest hair and imagined how the hair smells, when it's burning.

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Baraka_Guru

I can't believe a discussion almost broke out in this thread.

At least I learned something: It isn't polite to point fingers at people while your dick is in the other hand.

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KirStang

Rather than an interesting discussion about how we view people, it became about 'repressive institutions' and probably insert something about how 'the police are keeping people down' and maybe throw something in about hitler and the Tea party too.

---------- Post added at 02:30 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:29 PM ----------

And veiled personal attacks.

/Goes back to typing up ICCPR and CAT notes while looking through my gun-site. FRONT SIGHT PRESS BITCHES!

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Baraka_Guru

So rather than coming up with an interesting response, you post a demotivational poster instead?

Do you agree with it or not?

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KirStang

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Plan9

Are you drunk posting? First the nonsense about me being well read and now this. Say what? Was the OP not examined and discussed? Or are you referring to the circle jerk threadjack that has no business in a General Discussion thread about something that could have been totally resolved by posting nude photos online and flicking the bean vainly once the lewd comments and TinyURL links to pictures of veiny erections started rolling in?

Please show me how I can be a better TFPer.

If you think that Roachboy and I are going to have a conversation on politics, you've got an extra chromosome. He's rabid and I don't give a shit.

All conversations would lead to politics. He's using terms that were hip when my parents were in high school. Pinko. Commie. Seriously?

Aren't Pan and AceVentura around enough anymore?

Somebody dig up UsTwo, fahdahlubbuhgawd.

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Baraka_Guru

And yet you did it anyway? I don't get it. Do you give a shit or not? How long did it take to post your responses?


And for the record, I said more well-read.

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Plan9

I don't have a dick, so where does that leave me?

Hey, a gangsta has to flex sometimes. In my case, I always realize I'm mentally outgunned.

Yep, you're drunk. You read more in month than I'll read in two decades. Let's be realistic here.

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You can close the thread any time now.

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Baraka_Guru

It just seemed to me that you were appalled at roachboy for doing the same thing you were doing. It's just your styles are different. See? Deep down, we are all the same!

You overestimate me. But, then again, that's how I get by. One thing is for certain, you read more than I did in high school. Did you stop reading or something? I doesn't seem that way. I do read at least 8 books a year, but that's for work.

I think I'm in too deep now. Perhaps it's up to Jazz.

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Humankind cannot bear very much reality.
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The_Jazz

Suck it, inferiors. This thing's staying open.

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filtherton

Maybe someone should start a thread about false modesty? Perhaps one where we could all take turns posting about how little we care about how little we care about the current discussion?

Ourcrazymodern?

Hahahahahaha! When Jazz asked why I wished the OP hadn't been quite so specific, I thought we would prove an answer in due course, but my rose-colored glasses are no doubt in play. I think the operative words in the title are "deep down," & "the same" does not equal equal. I'm really disappointed I didn't get to see Plan9's nipples. MAYBE that stuff about posting inappropriate pictures didn't clearly lead to asking the question in anyone else's estimation, but to me that's further proof that the answer is yes.

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Plan9

...or was I just being sarcastic? Yeah, there is definitely no serious conversation going on here, brah. I have to be drunk for that.

CHECK IT:

I said veiny erections. Yeah. Veiny... Erections. Do I have to Fugly it up and draw cartoon dicks with smiley faces?

ALSO:

Fuckin' Optimus Prime!

PLUS:

Is anybody else totally creeped out by OCM?

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How can you monitor anything these days? Don't you have a platoon of screaming progeny to wrangle?

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EventHorizon

i bet you wont do it...

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Originally Posted by canuckguy Pretty simple really, do your own thing as long as it does not fuck with anyone's enjoyment of life.

The_Jazz

Don't underestimate how good I actually am.

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LunarEclipse

Jesus Fucking Christ .. I must have passed over the email notifying me there are responses to my thread.

It WASN'T SEXUAL HARASSMENT you idiots, it was on facebook and my question was philosophical.

Some you guys/gals (whatever) are way out of my league... I think I will take my toys and go home now.

LunarEclipse.

p.s. I do have some nice tits. I would post a picture but I am probably too stuck on myself and trying to get strokes for my ego (read ego, not any other body part) and prove my self worth that I can't figure out how to embed a photo.

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Plan9

PROTIP: You might want to edit the OP if you're going with this new version of your story.

And without even seeing them I can assure you that my tits are better than yours.

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LunarEclipse

I disagree, I originally posted I was on facebook and this was used as a jumping off point to parlay it into sexual harassment.

Regardless, I also said I want to think I am better then they are .. does this mean I am better then they are, no.

In regard to tits I would also have to respectfully disagree with you, but to each his/her own.

Vanity ... yes I admit I am vain to a certain degree. Am I proud of that fact, no, unfortunately looks do a play an important part in life even if we want to think that they don't matter.

Okay, I'm done defending myself now.

Peace.

LunarEclipse.

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EventHorizon

^I'm glad there are people on the internet that realize this

i don't know who's dumb idea it was to tell their kids that looks don't matter when they obviously do, but people need to put down the disney coloring book and realize that being ugly puts you at a disadvantage and you can either moan about it or accept it and be careful about putting yourself in situations where you are likely to be discriminated against for your looks.

i've met tons of people who look like a bat to the face would improve their looks and they're all good, smart, nice, and decent people.

they're just ugly. i'm not going to avoid ugly people since deep down we are all the same (in the sense that we're all faced with similar choices and can rationally make a decision) but if i'm face with a decision between dancing with a SI swimsuit model vs the hunchback of Notre Dame's sister... its not exactly a difficult choice

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Does Marcellus Wallace have the appearance of a female canine? Then for what reason did you attempt to copulate with him as if he were a female canine?

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Originally Posted by canuckguy Pretty simple really, do your own thing as long as it does not fuck with anyone's enjoyment of life.

Ourcrazymodern?

I'm EXACTLY as totally creeped out as you are.

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Shylock:
I am a Jew. Hath not a Jew eyes? Hath not a Jew hands,
organs, dimensions, senses, affections, passions; fed with the same
food, hurt with the same weapons, subject to the same diseases,
heal'd by the same means, warm'd and cool'd by the same winter
and summer, as a Christian is? If you prick us, do we not bleed? If
you tickle us, do we not laugh? If you poison us, do we not die?
And if you wrong us, do we not revenge? If we are like you in the
rest, we will resemble you in that.

Lindy

Well, there ya go. Nobody says it better than Shakespeare.

LunarEclipse

Let's leave it at Shakespeare shall we and put this thead to rest.

This was my first "serious" post and I got a sense of what TFP is all about. Not always want you want to hear but all of it good...well almost.

LunarEclipse

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Poetry

It's probably pointless and silly at this time to reply to the OP but, hey, apathy.

I think it's a matter of values.

I know what I think is better. I know what personality traits and life experiences I find better. If you introduce two people to me, after talking with them, I can (and might, if one is particularly loathsome or annoying) tell you which one I find better.

Social groups are usually formed over shared values, or eventually come to create an average set of values. Any group can tell you, even if they aren't quite aware as to why, who the "best" person of a group is based on those values.

You have a specific set of values that dictate standards of behavior.

Your coworkers' behavior did not match those standards.

Does that make you universally "better"?

No, as there is not a universal "better". But it makes you "better" by your standards.

While your coworkers' reactions and the general situation was disappointing and surprising to you (and, apparently, somewhat offensive)... it doesn't make them "lesser". Just on a different track. And, apparently, their value system did not allow for partially clothed (or whatever) pictures to be distributed online within a social group of professionals.

You evaluated a social group incorrectly. It sucks, but it happens.


Okay, kids, back to tugging on Mr. Rogers.

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