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View Poll Results: Which term is more appropriate? | |||
Suicide Bomber | 23 | 71.88% | |
Homicide Bomder | 9 | 28.13% | |
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07-08-2003, 11:46 PM | #1 (permalink) |
Loose Cunt
Location: North Bondi RSL
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Suicide or Homicide?
The generally accepted term is "suicide bomber," but some conservative news outlets, especially it seems in the US, prefer the term "homicide bomber." I've also heard Israeli officials use this term.
Which one do you think is more appropriate?
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07-09-2003, 12:42 AM | #2 (permalink) |
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Location: Seattle
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well, suicide bomber would be more descriptive of what it actually is, wouldn't it?
any bomber could be a homicide bomber if he intended to kill people.
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07-09-2003, 01:08 AM | #3 (permalink) |
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Location: the phoenix metro
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i think it boils down to his state of being at the end of things... if he's still in one peice afterwards (a'la tim mcveigh) then you're a "homicide" bomber. if his body parts have been scattered within a 400 foot radius, i'd call it a suicide bomber. he's committing suicide. regardless of who/what he takes out, he's going along for the ride. i haven't heard the term "homicide bomber" (i don't get alot of my news from traditional sources) before... it sounds like something made up to make it sound more sinister than it already is.
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07-09-2003, 03:21 AM | #5 (permalink) |
Loose Cunt
Location: North Bondi RSL
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Well if you think about it, the point of the bombings is to blow yourself up, and try to take out some innocent bystanders. However they are not always successful. In the end they commit suicide and usually kill a few people at the same time. So if you ask me, its kind of like the is the glass half-empty or half-full question.
Why though, do we feel it's appropriate to condem these actions as cowardly. Do we accept terror more easily if it comes in the form of a man in uniform, with a gun?
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07-09-2003, 04:34 AM | #6 (permalink) | |
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Location: USS George Washington
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I think the reason they are viewed as cowardly is because generally, suicide attacks are directed against unarmed civilians, including women and children, going about their daily lives. Nobody ever called a Japanese Kamikaze pilot cowardly, because those attacks were made on heavily armed Allied warships that were shooting back and that were involved in a declared war between nations. Yes, it takes an unbelieveable amount of devotion to your cause, a willingness to sacrifice your own life in the hope that one day the ideals, right or wrong, that you are fighting for will be realized for your fellow people, but I think the cowardly aspect of it involves getting on a bus or walking into a market that is full of women and children that you KNOW can't defend themselves against the hell you're about to unleash on them. There's also the natural tendency to refer to any opponent as "cowardly". You sometimes hear an adversary refer to their opponent as having fought well, but more often they will call them weak or cowardly. -Mikey |
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07-09-2003, 05:41 AM | #7 (permalink) |
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perhaps I misunderstand the motives of people who feel that the only way for themselves to fell fulfilled is to deprive others of life, and to divert the worlds resources (which could clothe, feed and educate) into military operations, destruction of life and beauty, and hatred. maybe i'm the one who is fucked-in-the-head
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07-09-2003, 07:13 AM | #10 (permalink) | |
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Location: USS George Washington
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As a product of the western world, raised either as a Christian or with no religious background, with our most basic needs reasonably well taken care of, and a decent selection of luxuries (If you have a car, a job, and internet access, you have three things that 70% of the rest of the world can't say they have), it is very difficult for us, in fact, trying to should (and rightly so) sicken us, to put ourselves in the mindset that a suicide bomber has. This is a person who has been raised in much poorer conditions than we have. They have little to nothing to live for in this world. They get promised a much better life with (insert stupid number here) virgins waiting for them in heaven, all they have to do is blow themself up on a bus. The Hamas leader who sends them out knows THEY won't personally have to provide the virgins or trip to heaven, in fact they themselves probably are conviced it's bullshit. But they know they have a seemingly endless supply of uneducated, religious zealots who want that chance at heaven. They know that suicide bombers genuinely terrify Israelis and horrify the western world as they grab headlines. And that's basically what they're looking for. They've succeeded, we're discussing them here in our much better world. A problem that genuinely doesn't have to concern us at all is now a major topic that the US and Europe are intricately involved in. I'm surprised that I have to say this, but IN NO WAY DO I OR ANY SANE PERSON condone suicide bombers. But you wanted the explanation, there it is. -Mikey Last edited by MikeyChalupa; 07-09-2003 at 07:48 AM.. |
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07-09-2003, 09:26 AM | #13 (permalink) |
Junkie
Location: Sydney, Australia
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Agree with joesmith, very Orwellian.
The 'new and improved' media phrase ('homicide bomber') not only provides less raw information in the same number of words but is 10 times more sensationalist. Kinda reminds me of the dictionaries in Orwell's '1984' - "The 10th edition will have fewer words than any previous edition". |
07-09-2003, 11:02 AM | #15 (permalink) |
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Location: CT
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I agree that it seems to be the more conservative media sources that favor "homocide" over "suicide."
I don't think that it matters what you call them, we all know what is being referred to, and the atrocities that they have committed. |
07-09-2003, 11:56 AM | #16 (permalink) |
lonely rolling star
Location: Seattle.
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hmm... homicide or suicide... *thinks*
i'd much prefer genocide, of the entire human race... but that's just me
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07-10-2003, 09:46 AM | #18 (permalink) |
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Location: Groningen, Netherlands
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I think the Unabomber was a homocide bomber. If you'd refer to 'suicide bombers' as 'homocide bombers', you'd easily miss the suicide aspect.
As for the cowardly aspect: compare the military power of the Palestinians to that of the Israelis. Far as I know, the Palestinians don't have any real military equipment, except for some grenade launchers and such. I think it's really a measure of their despair to take such horrible measures. Please understand I don't want to justify what they're doing, but I do think it may be the only thing they can do to fight back. If they had the missiles and the rockets and the fighter-jets and the support of the US, it would be quite a different story. This is a method to the world involved (as MikeyChalupa said) and to get the Israeli ppl scared, hopefully into demanding the government would just leave them alone.
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07-10-2003, 09:54 AM | #19 (permalink) |
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Location: Between the darkness and the light.
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If he only succeds in killing himself, its a suicide bomber. If he manages to kill at least one other person, it's a homicide bomber.
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07-11-2003, 07:51 PM | #22 (permalink) |
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Location: universe
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scuicide bomber....... of course they are trying to kill so why call them a homicide bomber.
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