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as of this morning, the seeps that have been located around the well are not understood as cause(s) for alarm. so the cap remains in place. one day at a time is apparently the watchword:
Allen Takes Day-At-A-Time Approach To Well Seepage : NPR meanwhile congressional talking heads point the finger at each other as to which party's more to blame for the regulatory backdrop that enabled this fiasco: Quote:
neo-liberalism was a kind of equal opportunity ideological lobotomy.
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07-20-2010, 01:37 PM | #522 (permalink) | |
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I have given consistent warning and have often suggested, that those not interested in my silliness - ignore my posts. It is possible, it can be done. Generally, I will just post my opinion and move on, if left alone. I won't change who I am based on posters taking pot shots at my character or my intellect, to the contrary - just like an un-brakable stallion - the technique of using spurs, just increases my resolve. Only the soft hands and approach of loving and caring person can break this stallion. I really do believe humans can learn a great deal about systems and organizational behaviors from the study of animals. ---------- Post added at 09:37 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:31 PM ---------- Why not answer simple questions? Let's face it, your pattern of smug, little b.s. throw away comments are just that and they are often baseless.
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07-20-2010, 01:51 PM | #523 (permalink) |
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problems before the deepwater explosion. nothing happened.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/gree...-problems.html then a few days before things blew up, command of the rig was transferred. there's no conspiracy in this, btw. i just find it kinda interesting. were it not for the maintenance problems, the transfer woulda been unremarkable, and were it not for the explosion and subsequent disaster, all of this woulda been unremarkable. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/gree...8Greenspace%29 but of course it's all very interesting because of what did happen. there's more to the story of the waning days and what happened with the explosion came: Deepwater Horizon engineer testifies about power failures before oil spill - latimes.com on the up side, there are 5 leaks identified around the geyser site now. but the cap is still operating. 5 small leaks have been identified in Gulf well, Thad Allen says | NOLA.com so the concern now is weather.
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07-20-2010, 03:32 PM | #524 (permalink) |
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07-21-2010, 07:43 AM | #525 (permalink) | ||
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more information about the run-up to the deepwater horizon disaster, a run-up which is becoming increasingly bizarre:
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a speculative point---it seems to me that the petroleum industry and all those who benefit from it--erm support it in principle--have at this point every interest in painting up the deepwater horizon fiasco and bp/transocean/halliburton as having acted in a peculiar/particular way as a means of basically--and i hate this expression--throwing bp under the bus. this is not to say that i doubt these stories which are coming out of the govt appointed panel hearings in louisiana. i just find the emphasis on the particularities interesting. meanwhile, bp continues scrambling to raise capital, selling off assets: Quote:
and indicating that tony hayward, who i seem to remember was characterized as the greastest ceo of all time by some eccentric earlier in this fiasco, is likely to step down in october: BP's Tony Hayward 'set to step down' | Business | guardian.co.uk
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BP admits using Photoshop to exaggerate oil spill command centre activity | Environment | guardian.co.uk
This is but one of BP's desperate scrambling moves. This whole asset selling/trading business is more complicated yet just as calculated. Hayward will appear to step down, but in reality he will side-wind slither to another position in the same game, but different arena. Last edited by ring; 07-22-2010 at 05:01 PM.. |
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so here we are: a direct confrontation between notions of proprietary information and the public's right to be informed in the context of a disaster. the bbc article: BBC News - BP accused of 'buying academic silence' the contract bp is offering: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/bsp/h...p_contract.pdf i find this kinda startling---that more than surprising really. it does pose an underlying question for the neo-liberal set: on what planet is private information more symmetrical with an illusion of democracy than public information? it's obvious: privately controlled information is subject to far more controls, particularly on the part of corporate actors. it is a commodity. as such, it is controlled by the highest bidder. in conservative-world, that is apparently how it should be. if you want democratic responsiveness, you buy it. american conservatives seem to want a corporate oligarchy, but they want it by confusing it with some version of democracy. the only thing i can conclude is that the incoherence of american conservative political philosophy is total. meanwhile, in the domain of things that suck even more: Quote:
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07-23-2010, 07:19 AM | #529 (permalink) |
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Wow, in my eyes, this whole debacle is quickly becoming a symbol of advanced capitalism.
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day 96.
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this information can be true and an element in a theater of positioning at the same time seems obvious, yes? the sniffly "ö bp is taking all the hit for this what about the american corporations also involved?" acquires a certain weight, something that goes beyond angst over the fate of the corporation the dividends from which account for 1 of every 6 dollars paid out in the uk... it's remarkable, when you think about it, the scale of intertwining that seems characteristic of petro-capitalism--intertwining at the level of stockholding and other forms of financial transactions, at the level of petroleum-based or derived commodities (looking at my laptop for example, thinking through the interactions and systems they presuppose that link what i'm typing here to what you're seeing there), at the level of direct consumer relations (the whole transportation model centered on automobiles)... it's taken quite a while to come this far: Quote:
oopsie daisy. meanwhile, our comrades on the oil drum continue their salutary efforts to make sense of what they---and we---are seeing: The Oil Drum | BP's Deepwater Oil Spill - Tropical Depression Bonnie (1a) - and Open Thread
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07-25-2010, 11:44 AM | #531 (permalink) |
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so much for the greatest ceo in the history of everything:
Tony Hayward to quit BP | Business | The Guardian i don't see what this solves for anyone anywhere, with the possible exception of bp who get to unload a publicity liability maybe. well, it solves some shit for tiny hayward, who can retire to his yacht now. o the price the captains of industry pay when the corporate persons they control fuck up. retiring to a yacht. i shudder to think on it.
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so it's official:
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and so's a pretty large-scale selloff of assets: FT.com / Energy - BP plans $30bn sales to meet Gulf costs poor criminal corporate person bp: Quote:
an editorial from le monde on haywoods departure entitled "the fall of the head of bp: the end of impunity" La chute du patron de BP : la fin de l'impunité - LeMonde.fr meanwhile, back in the general vicinity of the actual spill, a plan from a coalition of environmentalist groups on this, day 99 of the disaster: Quote:
meanwhile in the general vicinity of the actual spill: The Oil Drum | BP's Deepwater Oil Spill - Restarting Progress - and Open Thread
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07-27-2010, 11:38 AM | #533 (permalink) |
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Perhaps to prevent some people from injecting BP into other posts, I am back - primarily to be a nuisance to the flawed ideology littered throughout this thread.
BP has been focused on stoping the leak, and from the beginning everyone knew it would take about 90 days. BP has also been working equally hard on PR. The TV spots where obvious. It became clear early on that Hayword was not up for the job - his firing is not surprising. When Dudley assumed the lead role or became the "face" it was clear that he was going to be the next CEO. Again no surprises. The act of genius was when BP agreed to the $20 billion compensation fund to be administered by the government. In one stroke they transferred all the negative implications of compensating victims over to the government. They will not have the on-going negative PR of denying claims. This move was surprising, and surprising how eagerly Obama jumped on it. This will cost him and his administration. BP is planning on selling $30 billion in assets, the company will be leaner - but still produce over 3.5 million barrels of oil per day. And they have taken a $32 billion dollar loss in their latest quarterly earnings, clearing the slate for future clean financial reports. BP still has a long and difficult fight ahead of them, but so far they are making the right moves to save the company and enhance share-holder value. The share price has seen its low, of about $27 per share, now at about $37-$38, the 12 month peak was about $62. Sell Obama, buy BP.
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07-27-2010, 11:49 AM | #534 (permalink) |
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perhaps it is a flaw to think it is more important that the leak be stopped and the gulf cleaned up and that regulation be tightened in order to both make another such disaster less likely and to enable an actually coherent response to problems when they do occur than to cheer for how bp manoevers to save its corporate person ass.
and perhaps it is a flaw to see in the relation between aspects of the petro-capitalist system more a symbiotic matter (state and corporations co-operating all too much) than a private-vs-public thing as you do. perhaps it is a flaw in approach to be interested in actual social systems and how they work rather than being content with looking at mirror images of (conservative) ideological constructs. but they're flaws i'm fine with.
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^^Chewing your leg off to get out of a trap works if you don't bleed to death. You know the folly of howling at the moon. The noise has been against the cause, which you again defend. I don't get it.
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i find this type of conservative "thinking" to be basically dishonest. it bugs me, dishonesty does.
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back to oil in the gulf of mexico:
so thanks in part to the reactive regulatory system and in part to obstruction and in part to the amount of time it takes to assemble a coherent research team and locate funding and all that, the implications of the following are not at all obvious: Quote:
an alternate version, with more weight on noaa: washingtonpost.com now this is quite strange. and none of us are in a position to second-guess anything, so basically we're all kinda....um....what? the surface-level disappearance of oil originating a mile below the surface that's been heavily doused with a dispersant of controversial toxicity...it's just curious. and you know other things sometimes have one appearance on the surface and another below. so it is that the captains of industry apparently plan on transferring the cost of compensating victims of this fiasco back onto you and i by deducting the amount from their corporate tax return. Quote:
now isn't that special? meanwhile in the investigation of (other) criminal activity, the nature of the petro-capitalist regulatory system is moving by degrees to the center of investigations. which is good. about time. conservatives have contempt for regulation, the bush administration was very conservative, so it follows that if you haven't got the votes or ambition to erase regulation, you can make them unenforcable by way of good old fashioned corruption. Quote:
meanwhile, at the oil drum: The Oil Drum | BP's Deepwater Oil Spill - Restarting Progress - and Open Thread things just get getting curiouser and curiouser.
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day 100.
continued consternation at the missing millions of barrels of oil: Quote:
you have to wonder who the various talking heads quoted above work for, who is free and who is not. these problems may have something to do with the situation outlined in this post from the oil drum (caveat lector as a function of anonymity): Quote:
the thread is interesting for the debates about assessments that have been constructed of the deepwater horizon disaster. there are a bunch of quite pro-corporate types who are arguing that the "real disaster" is a business one and that the environmental consequences are "overblown"---i've seen this sort of response before from folk i know who work in oil, who tend to poo-poo assessments of anything and everything petro-related not made by other petro-people...but in this case it is an interesting interpretive question which gets to the ways in which significance is built (first) then attributed (second) to imagery (third) which is presumed to replicate or otherwise communicate something about a world (fourth) beyond itself. obviously a central element in information management, so in the fabrication of consent, is defining then controlling the way imagery is framed. framing is the mechanism that enables people to generate meanings "autonomously" that coincide in a predictable manner with the meanings other similarly "autonomous" thinkin fellers arrive at. people like to do as they're told. but they like to feel they're being independent while they obey. it's a curiously american circle jerk. one thing seems clear, though: stay inside the framing and you are a slave to it. at the same time, it requires work to relativize these frames. and pre-chewed information makes a body feel so Certain about things, when the simplest of all simple facts is that there's very little certainty about anything at all. there's just interpretation and recursion (why this interpretation and not another). but recursion is hard. and certainty so tempting.
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yet another vital conservative insight.
see in the real world, the one that's not about royalism and shirking responsibility for policies implemented while conservo-"thinking" had power, there was a cap on liabilities for petro-capitalist outfits, a cap brought to us by the petro-capitalist oligarchy in the context of which political appointees and elected representatives jockey with each other to be nice nice nice to petro-capitalist concerns, all shaped by republican-style "thinking" about regulation. the liability cap was argued for as a "protection for small businesses"....right-o....well, one of the earlier indications that maybe, just maybe, this disaster will start setting fire to conservative "thinking" about regulation in general and petro-capitalist regulation in particular is starting gather some momentum: Quote:
of course this remains a petro-capitalist oligarchy, one in which the federal judiciary has been packed to the rafters with reactionary judges in order to "counter judicial activism" of course---so i expect that texas will be the site of much of the litigation. because texas conservatives love love love their oil corporate persons: Bring on the expense accounts into debate over location of oil spill lawsuits: Stephanie Grace | NOLA.com meanwhile the other captains of industry are trying to figure out ways to continue extracting profits through deepwater drilling: FT.com / Companies / Oil & Gas - Shell chief defends deep-water drilling
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The reason why we might want a person with executive business level experience in government - the nearly $10 billion tax credit being claimed by BP! What are the implications, among others here are two.
First, there is the $20 billion compensation fund, BP will put up $5 billion this year and the remainder over the next 3 years. The tax credit is half of this $20 billion fund. Second, there is taxable income and there is cash flow. BP reported a $17 billion dollar loss in the second quarter, but they generated a net positive cash flow of $6.8 billion, which includes $2.1 billion spent on the spill already. They have generate more than enough cash to make their 2010 payment to the fund plus the first quarter of 2011. The cost of the spill is punitive no matter how you look at it, but if you ever wondered why CEO's get paid what they get paid, just keep tabs on how the numbers unfold. So far BP has the upper hand in how they are managing this issue relative to the Obama administration. And, it is funny how again and again, the folks in Washington cry and complain when a company follows the rules - and then want to change those rules after the fact. Just as in this situation with the $10 billion dollar tax credit, they want BP to voluntarily not take the credit. How about having some folks in charge of government who don't get taken to the cleaners on simple deals?
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my expectation, ace, is that one result of this fiasco is that the rules of the game are going to change. you can already see it starting--that's why i posted the article about the changes in liability cap legislation that's being proposed. i expect the rules around drilling are going to be tightened quite considerably. i expect that some of the tax laws will be changed for corporate persons if bp is not careful about how it manages it's "playing by the rules"....
truth be told, i'm not terribly optimistic about how far it'll go. and that's not really my interest in the thread. i'm not particularly gathering this information around any explicitly political arguments. there are recurrent themes, questions that interest me, explanations that may arise from accumulation of information around them. i see this as tracking what is happening as much as an information flow as an oil flow. whatever.
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07-29-2010, 12:13 PM | #543 (permalink) |
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Politics aside, I still find the financial response interesting and given the common dislike of math some of these issue will not get the focus it deserves.
So, we have BP planning to sell $30 billion in assets when they don't really need to. So why are they doing it? One, they can off-set capital gains against the losses they report. They can end up with paper losses but "cash-flow profits". This reduces tax burden. Two, they make the sale in 2010 before Congress passes any capital gains tax increases or let the Bush tax cuts expire. So if they owe taxes they pay less. Three, given the losses they can off-set and/or the lower capital gains taxes - for simplification assuming about a 33% rate or a third of the profits - if they sell $30 billion in assets that cost them $20 billion, that $10 billion dollar gain on the sale, this year, could mean up to $3.3 in cash for BP, simply based on timing. Not bad for 2 minutes of thought by a CEO.
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i haven't been following this aspect of things, but is bp still having short-term paper trouble? when i saw the sell-off i assumed it was happening to bump their liquidity which i connected in my brain to the credit trouble they had gotten into a few weeks ago. i remember without really remembering (in the way one does when one's looking at other things) that these credit problems kinda disappeared from the press, but am not sure.
have you been tracking this? ================================================= aside: later in the afternoon [/COLOR]this report was released today by the national wildlife foundation: Assault on America: A Decade of Petroleum Company Disaster, Pollution, and Profit - National Wildlife Federation this link will take you straight to the pdf: http://www.nwf.org/News-and-Magazine...-Disaster.ashx
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just in case the lot of actual people gets forgotten behind all this watching the struggles of the corporate person bp to maintain it's cash position:
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a bit later on day 105 (i think):
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for what it's worth, i had little knowledge of the regulatory and institutional frames that shape off-shore oil drilling prior to this disaster. i've been interested in the topic and also in the way that an image of that regulatory system has been surfacing across it. so here---this isn't exactly news at this point (the relation between mms & oil corporation has been a subject of recurrent interest, despite the name change). it's also clear that the deepwater mess is going to result in changes to these rules. where these changes happen and what they are is kinda interesting as well. once this is over with, i expect that for most of us (likely myself included) this whole arrangement will start slipping back into invisibility where it will operate for the folk directly involved and few besides. so a picture of petro-capitalism in 2010 that can be assembled through a crisis... that's the "agenda"
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the initial rate of leaking was under-stated (let's say) by a multiple of 12:
washingtonpost.com one result of the amounts dumped into the gulf of mexico and this despite the questions of the missing oil plumes... Quote:
but on the up side, hopefully anyway, preparations for the static kill attempt proceed apace. and just in case that you, like me, have a tenuous grip on what that refers to: The Oil Drum | BP's Deepwater Oil Spill - Start of the Static Kill - and Open Thread
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meanwhile, more dissent within the obama administration about bp's hyper-enthusiastic use of corexit to disperse the oil. the reasons for the dissent are below:
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let's hope, yes?
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so far so good at the wellhead, so there's reason to be optimistic, more than before at least..but not so optimistic as to think that almost all the oil vaporized. well, a bunch of it did but that still leaves alot, they say. like 2x exxon valdez. not that anyone actually knows. no-one seems to actually know much at this point.
maybe it's the uncertainty. maybe it's that in this case cameras can't provide the requisite illusion of transparency and/or control, which is creating problems for the dominant technology of reality management. or maybe its something else: Quote:
but people seem to think that the happy-face all that oil seems to be gone report is a prelude to the obama administration abandoning the problem and by extension the region: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/05/us/05oil.html?hp aside: there are lots of ways to destroy marshland: Delacroix residents 'never imagined how bad it would get': Part four of four | NOLA.com but the wellhead seems to be holding. The Oil Drum | BP's Deepwater Oil Spill - Cementing the Well - and Open Thread
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I heard a news report yesterday that the federal government is reporting that 75% of the oil is now gone - either cleaned up, evaporated, or eaten by the sea. It seemed hopeful that there might not be any more big oil masses hitting the shore. This is fantastic news.
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for what it's worth i'd like to believe that...and the impression one could press releases and/or yesterday's noaa report, but as time is passing more and more problems are being raised about that information:
NOAA report on Gulf oil spill draws criticism for many assumptions fact is that as of now, i don't think anyone really knows what's going on. i certainly don't.
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an update on activities at the well:
The Oil Drum | BP's Deepwater Oil Spill - Waiting for the Cement to Set - and Open Thread 2 and isn't this special? Quote:
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the theater of engagement involving the captains of industry and the corporate person they pilot with the lives and well-being of actual human beings is entering a new phase.
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some say it's the end of the leak.
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others try to understand what is really going on despite new and improved information limitations and a drive for an appearance of Resolution: The Oil Drum | BP's Deepwater Oil Spill - How to Deal with a Dead Well - and Open Thread while others call bullshit Fintan Dunne Independent Journalist Blog: Return Of The BP Zombie Well and it's really hard to say anything definitive about what's going on. again. on the one hand, it's obvious from all the reports that the federal govt and bp have a common interest in the appearance of an Ending. this ending seems to be connected to some vague sense about the extent of the oil that's already in the gulf...whence the strange information of a couple weeks ago concerning how it's all magically disappeared. this is countered with reports like you see referenced in the guardian piece of oil still being found in the marshes... but corporate person bp seems to be using this appearance as a signal to start jockeying around to cut losses, as corporate persons are wont to do because of course when a corporate person can ditch responsibilities that follow from a disaster it is responsible for shareholders make more money and everyone benefits. except of course those who don't. but i digress. what's sure is that it is curiously difficult, even moreso than previously, to know what is happening here. but i do hope that the well is killed. it's just curious to me that even in these 3 short pieces above, there's plenty of reason to avoid being too sure about anything that's said.
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08-16-2010, 09:36 AM | #557 (permalink) | |
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ok so here's a report from truthout about the mysteriously disappearing oil and how that trick is, allegedly, being managed. if this is accurate across the board, it's pretty stunning.
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this would be nice to have independent verification simply because it's so far at variance with the official lines on the matter of oil, where it is and how it's being cleaned up. there's not a whole lot of press about blasting it with dispersants from planes and sinking it instead of cleaning it up. oil drum monitorings: The Oil Drum | BP's Deepwater Oil Spill - Continuing to Wait - and Open Thread
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08-18-2010, 12:02 PM | #558 (permalink) | |
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the claim that the oil had simply vanished seemed absurd at the time it was made.
then there's the story above about the emphasis placed on making the oil invisible rather than cleaning it. and it turns out, seemingly, that the oil has in fact gone somewhere--and the corexit too. and that somewhere--it is not good. Quote:
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08-18-2010, 12:40 PM | #559 (permalink) |
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I've been waiting for these articles to appear.
All along I know I've been lied to, and the obfuscation machine regarding any real data reaching the general public, has been humming along, well well oiled. The amount & the type of dispersants used, has been a concern of many with half a mind. The government/corporate behemoth has a seemingly tight stranglehold. That article in post #557: Yes it would be good to have independent verification. BP must have had the government's blessing to do its bang-up job of keeping reporters away from the beaches? Yes? Is it just me, or did that woman doing the press report from NOAA, look nervous, and frightened? |
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oopsie daisy.
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if you follow the link there's some interesting images and animations on the right. so the oil didn't just disappear. what a surprise.
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