08-19-2010, 12:03 PM | #561 (permalink) |
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Nobody but die hard apologists expected the oil to really have disappeared. Corexit 9500 plus oil is no more toxic than oil alone (this is why BP switched from the more toxic Corexit 9527 at the urging of the EPA); and the evidence suggests that the unknown effects of dispersal of oil into the water column is likely less than the catastrophic damage to wetlands that would have occurred had oil been allowed to wash ashore. That's why as much dispersant as possible was used, now we have to figure out what to do from here.
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08-24-2010, 05:43 AM | #562 (permalink) |
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Fishing Industry in Gulf Still Worried About Levels of Toxins in the Water and the Impact on Marine Life
check out the transcript and/or webcast of this program. the basic accusation here follows on the kind of information that was provided a few posts above this one. the oil is present, mixed with dispersants. it's not difficult to find. there is no mystery about what's happening. fishermen know what's happening. anyone who's there, seemingly, knows. but for some reason the infotainment coming from the bp/federal government combine seems to be alot more---o i dunno---goofy optimistic about things. you'd almost think that the locals who see in this stream of infotainment a setting up of the ole cut-and-run are right. and if that's not what's being set up, it's quite difficult to imagine what possible function could be getting served by acting as though a quite catastrophic situation simply doesn't exist. except of course that no-one knows extent or magnitude or impact. but it feels like we're being fed a line of shit. kinda like shell and the nigerian government fed the un a line of shit in the report that's due out in december which essentially blames local people stealing oil for "90%" of the oil in the niger river delta Outrage at UN decision to exonerate Shell for oil pollution in Niger delta | Environment | The Guardian this flying in the face of information gathered over many years from non-governmental, non-royal dutch shell sources. go figure.
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08-27-2010, 10:01 AM | #564 (permalink) |
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Looks like the majority of this plume is 50ppb of oil, the lc50 for almost all marine life in the area is on the order of 2-5ppm, so we're looking at hundreds of times less than what will be killing off wildlife en masse. This is surprisingly good news.
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08-27-2010, 11:13 AM | #565 (permalink) |
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Yeah...sorry I blew up. Quoting their ad was more unwarranted anti-capitalism. Acknowledging the relative insignificance of what happened too soon didn't even tickle this thread's thoughts.
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08-27-2010, 12:01 PM | #566 (permalink) |
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med---where's that information coming from? i've been searching around for a half hour already and can't find any reports or studies that say that. it'd be good if it were true, what you say. but i'd like to see the source if you have a link handy
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08-27-2010, 01:50 PM | #567 (permalink) |
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i seem to remember that new scientist has details of the research that claimes the plume has been mostly degraded by baceria.
the thing is: all that organic carbon doesnt just dissapear... even if it isnt present in the form of an actual plume / oil spill, its still likely to massively f*ck up the ecosystem and have a negative impact on the local biodiversity |
08-27-2010, 04:12 PM | #568 (permalink) |
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The key-word being "local",
re-entering our systems carbon's systematic beautiful. Freaking out about this oil spill seems to have at least distracted us from the air we breathe, reading, I hope, as a railing against why it happened, as I think roachboy has intended. Not that I know, OP, but you've reviewed the percentages.
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10-07-2010, 11:26 AM | #570 (permalink) | |
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It appears that our government lied about the oil spill. Good thing people have short memories or there would certainly be more outrage.
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10-07-2010, 01:01 PM | #571 (permalink) |
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Obama and the government messed up by suppressing the facts, but a BP CEO and president of the United States are two very different jobs.
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10-07-2010, 01:08 PM | #572 (permalink) |
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you just working out that in petrocapitalism the state and those captains of industry you love o so deeply are working hand in glove? please, ace, wake up and smell the coffee. it's only in the delusions of people like you that there's an adverarial relation between corporations and the state. "regulation" is not an adversarial relation. it's a symbiosis.
that noaa and the coast guard and bp were all basically on the same page in terms of information spill management was obvious to anyone who was looking from quite early on. even you'd likely to have figured it out if you'd allowed yourself a vacation from conservative metaphysics long enough to point your head in that direction. there's lots of information in this thread about it. so yeah, everyone knew about this. don't assume that because everyone knew about it that it means yay cover-up. what it means is that you are way behind, and your conservative metaphysics are in significant measure to blame for that. when your analytic viewpoint gets obviously in the way of reality, it's generally an indication that a rethink is in order. just mentioning this for your delectation.
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You're a funny person to accuse politicians of lying. Aren't you the person who said that GWB didn't lie about Iraq because you never believed him in the first place? Aren't you the person that thinks that one can only be lied to if one chooses to be lied to?
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10-12-2010, 08:44 PM | #575 (permalink) |
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I hope to be off of it except for trips over 100 miles by next year. (I take 4-8 trips over 100 miles a year).
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11-10-2010, 11:42 AM | #578 (permalink) | |
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11-10-2010, 01:18 PM | #579 (permalink) | |
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11-11-2010, 09:31 AM | #580 (permalink) | |
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11-11-2010, 10:00 AM | #581 (permalink) |
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"I know you are but what am I" is the best thing the committee could come up with?
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However, I pointed out early on that the suggestion that BP cut corners due to a profit motive did not add up. The logic of - let's save a few dollars and put our entire company at risk- is not what responsible business people do. And there was no evidence that BP was run by incompetent or irresponsible business people. It was clear to me that the accident was the result of a series human errors and no one was motivated to make errors because of profit. There is no doubt that management has to be held accountable and is at fault for not minimizing the risk of human error. Hindsight is always 20/20. Government regulators also dropped the ball. There should be accountability for errors and the lack of controls, but the knee-jerk reaction that the drive for profits is at the root of every negative corporate occurrence is overly simplistic.
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11-11-2010, 02:03 PM | #583 (permalink) |
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The obvious response to the oil rig explosion and subsequent spill is to reduce government regulation and simply allow consumers to choose whether or not to buy oil from companies that act irresponsibly. While I can't think of a single instance in the history of the planet where less regulation made an industry more responsible, a very convincing person called RnPl2012FreeMarketz on the Mises forums seems to think it will work.
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In reality, there is no shortage of examples of business folk who appeared responsible while they were simultaneously secretly breaking legal and/or ethical and/or safety rules. The fact that you, some guy from the internet, give BP a thumbs up for their business ethics and logical aptitude means nothing. As it stands now, how have any BP executives suffered anything remotely harmful in the aftermath of the spill? They don't have much incentive to not cut corners. It's a gamble that they make, where if they lose, we pay, they maybe get transferred to a new market (god forbid they get fired with a multimillion dollar severance package), and BP takes a quarter or two break and then goes back to making record profits. |
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07-20-2011, 12:54 AM | #587 (permalink) |
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The British Petroleum oil leak was capped in July of 2010. A year afterwards, the tourists are returning to the Gulf beaches. Considering this, British Petroleum has petitioned the court to reduce its damages settlement. But some say reports of the tourism rebound are inflated or deceptive. I read this here: Rise in gulf tourism prompts BP to ask for discount.
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