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lktknow 06-11-2009 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by dlish (Post 2647953)
so if its about greed, and you say you're not a greedy person, why not just give the part of the money you got the 2nd time around to the person thats out to get you.

that way you'll sleep better


I never said I wasn't a greedy person, (although I'm not), what I said was, I was completely satisfied with the original provisions provided in the original trust.

Okay, I wanted to respond to a couple other things that have been said in response to my post.
To ratbastid, who said they found it strange that I am defending my credibility to people in this forum rather than go to the police with my suspicions.
I really do not mean to be defending myself, I was just answering the questions the different people posed.

And to everyone who said they find it odd that I have not contacted the police.
It is mainly because I have no tangible proof this is really happening, although I do have more than just a "gut feeling", what with seeing certain people together, who have no real reason to be talking to one another, other than what I am suspecting. (I should explain this ) Approximately 6 years ago , I accompanied my husband, (the person who's Irrevocable trust is mentioned in this post) to a rather seedy part of town to purchase some appliances for the apartments we owned. upon arriving at this little shop there were four or five guys there and they all started drinking beer, it was late in the afternoon and my husband joined them in the drinking. They were all having a good time shooting the breeze when one of the guys asked me if I knew one of the other guys there was a magician. They all laughed. I didn't get the joke. Then a couple seconds later, the guy said the reason the guy was a magician, was because he had the ability to make people disappear. To which they all laughed again. It took a couple seconds for it to register what they meant, but it sent a chill up my spine when I did realize it. I looked at the guy they had said it about, and made a mental note to avoid this person, because whoever has the ability to kill people, I do not want to know them. My husband and I never discussed this conversation, with me not asking him anything about it, because I never really wanted to know any of the details involved, for the person even saying this in the first place. But I never forgot it either.
And that is where the certain people talking to one another comes in, because I saw the one individual, who they had said was the magician talking to the person, who I believe wants me eliminated. And they are of completely different age brackets, social standings and all the other reasons for these two people to have any reason to be talking to one another.
(I am sure a lot of you will say, this is not how stuff like this happens because if there truly is a person who they call a magician, the last thing they are going to do is broadcast it, which I found it extremely odd when the guy said it, and when I looked at the guy it was said about, just by his facial expression, you could tell he was not happy it had been said)
But that goes along with my suspicion, I mean the fact of seeing these two people talking very early on a Saturday morning, like around 6am, when I was taking trash out.
And to MSD , who said they had known two people who told them they were mentally stable, and they both turned out not to be, reminded me of a person I knew who used to brag about having 3 different sets of papers stating they were sane.
At this point, I am keeping a very low profile and keeping my eyes and ears open to everything going on around me.
I apologize if this post seems odd, I found it odd at me even posting it myself, and was going to do it hypothetically, but decided to put the whole thing out there, knowing I would most likely receive negative comments, but hoping in the long run, I could get some insight as to what the ones who really believed this could be happening would do. I thank you all for the comments, good and bad, and no they have not got me yet

wooÐs 06-11-2009 09:23 AM

I prefer bullet points.

ratbastid 06-11-2009 09:30 AM

That's plenty. Go to the police.

Really. At the very least, having a record of your reporting what you've seen to the police would help them apprehend whoever's responsible in the event of your untimely etc etc.

Just fucking go, okay? Start with, "I know this might sound crazy, but hear me out: here's what I think is happening."

mrklixx 06-11-2009 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by wooÐs (Post 2649940)
I prefer bullet points.

Bullet points probably wouldn't be the best for someone who is afraid of getting assassinated. ;)

wooÐs 06-11-2009 09:43 AM

I guarantee you that's what the cops will want too.

Borla 06-11-2009 09:47 AM

I've found that people who either isolate themselves from society, or those that have too much time on their hands, spend a LOT of time thinking about themselves, their life situations, their fears, and how prospective events may effect them. We all do that to some extent, but those people often do it to an extreme, where they become somewhat mentally self-centered. Not that they think more of themselves than everyone else, but that they think that everyone else's actions, motives, thoughts, and plans are more highly effected by them. In reality, it's not all about them. In reality, those people do almost nothing, are not motivated at all, barely even think of, and rarely plan anything, because of the individual so concerned and paranoid.

My gut says this is what we are seeing in this thread.

Wrexify 06-11-2009 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ratbastid (Post 2649946)
That's plenty. Go to the police.

Really. At the very least, having a record of your reporting what you've seen to the police would help them apprehend whoever's responsible in the event of your untimely etc etc.

Just fucking go, okay? Start with, "I know this might sound crazy, but hear me out: here's what I think is happening."

^ Absolutely. Any "perfectly sane" adult who truly believed something like this was happening would just go to the police. I don't understand how there's any reason not to go, even without any evidence. "Because they won't believe me" is a pretty bogus reason if you ask me. Maybe they won't, but isn't it better than doing nothing?

Or you could build a giant robot exoskeleton like Iron Man, rendering yourself immune to normal weapons and looking totally badass in the process. Either way.

ratbastid 06-11-2009 10:44 AM

Oh. I just realized why you won't go. There's a warrant out on you, isn't there? You're hiding from the police too.

That's the only thing I can think that has your refusal to go report it make any sense.

Glory's Sun 06-11-2009 11:08 AM

maybe he's in the mob and the police have been bought out by a different faction and the police now want him eliminated.

hmm haven't I seen this in a movie before?

MSD 06-11-2009 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by lktknow (Post 2649936)
And to MSD , who said they had known two people who told them they were mentally stable, and they both turned out not to be, reminded me of a person I knew who used to brag about having 3 different sets of papers stating they were sane.

I'm glad you took that as I intended it and not as me trying to be rude.
Quote:

Originally Posted by ratbastid (Post 2649946)
Really. At the very least, having a record of your reporting what you've seen to the police would help them apprehend whoever's responsible in the event of your untimely etc etc.

This is really your best bet. Even if you tell them "I just want it on record in case something does happen to me," it's better than nothing. Despite the perception a lot of people have, the vast majority of cops will jump at the chance to protect an innocent person. The worst they can do is tell you there's not enough evidence to make a case and keep it in a file.

Another big thing, talk to your lawyer about it. Have him help you write out a comprehensive statement with as many specifics as possible to be released if you are attacked or go missing. Ask what you can legally do in this situation; I would hope a lawyer you trust with large amounts of money would be knowledgeable about the law, or at least be able to refer you to another lawyer who specialized in what you need advice on.

Xerxys 06-11-2009 01:28 PM

Ohh, guys, lktknow is female.

Zeraph 06-11-2009 02:36 PM

To OP: I don't believe, nor disbelieve, just like any other post on a forum.

Everyone else: haha, it amuses me how silly everyone is being, by saying its much more likely that she has a very rare neurological disorder rather than someone wanting her dead.

OP: What's best depends on who's involved and what your capabilities are. I know what I'd do. But its probably not what you should do. Besides going to the police, and hiring a PI I'd focus on being hard to find. You really don't need to leave the city unless its an entire organization after you. Simply moving to a hotel 5 miles away from your house can be enough if he has no reason to look for you there. The key when moving is to get rid of any evidence of your passing. Stop using your credit card. Visit random banks/atms when you need to refill on cash. Don't go to any of your usual places. etc. PM me if you'd like to talk some more.

uncle phil 06-11-2009 03:28 PM

need i say it again?

Quote:

Originally Posted by uncle phil (Post 2647301)
attorney - order of protection...


MSD 06-12-2009 07:38 AM

Seriously, talk to your lawyer about what legal options you have if you don't want to go to the cops. Tell him exactly what you told us and say you want guidance.
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Originally Posted by Zeraph (Post 2650194)
OP: What's best depends on who's involved and what your capabilities are. I know what I'd do. But its probably not what you should do. Besides going to the police, and hiring a PI I'd focus on being hard to find. You really don't need to leave the city unless its an entire organization after you. Simply moving to a hotel 5 miles away from your house can be enough if he has no reason to look for you there. The key when moving is to get rid of any evidence of your passing. Stop using your credit card. Visit random banks/atms when you need to refill on cash. Don't go to any of your usual places. etc. PM me if you'd like to talk some more.

If you do move, see if your lawyer can divert your payments into a blind trust with anonymous trustee to conceal your location.

lktknow 06-23-2009 06:03 PM

Not that I want to keep this going, but I thought I would tell you the steps I have taken to insure myself a long life.
I contacted my lawyer and had an "Order of Protection" implemented.
I still have not went to the Police, however the way I handled it I think is a bit more diplomatic, and will pretty much ensure a quieter outcome.
The one person that I thought and still think was going to do this, was the youngest of the family. So, I sent an email to his mother and his sister, who are much smarter and worldly than he is. I was very adamant in telling them I was not accusing anyone of anything, I was only relating facts as I have seen them, and how it made me feel. I told them I did not want any answers from them as to why this person was seemingly doing the things he was doing, because I was sure he will have an answer for everything I said. The only reason for the email was to see if they were aware of what he was doing, and the consequences behind his actions if indeed it was what it seemed like.
I am more than sure, his mother and sister will read him the riot act, and besides, once they know I am on to him, I seriously do not think he would follow through with it. He would be the first person looked at if something happened to me.

Cynthetiq 06-23-2009 06:15 PM

I don't get how telling his mom is more diplomatic than just alerting the popo to the situation. I highly doubt that the popo would be visiting the individual in any capacity. but then again, I don't know what happens in cities outside of major or large ones.

as far as the order of protection you'll know that if there are family gatherings, you'll not be able to attend or he'll not.

dlish 06-24-2009 12:33 AM

if your hunch is right and you do get taken out, theres no guarantee that his family wont cover for him.

if the cops are notified, at least you have it on record so that justice can be served. just rememebr that Revenge is a Dish Best Served Cold (TM)

Plan9 06-24-2009 01:06 AM

I'll take care of it for $500.

Got a grid for me?

dlish 06-24-2009 03:55 AM

too bad cromp, wait in line..ive got a (TM) on it.

ratbastid 06-24-2009 03:58 AM

I have an idea.

Since this appears to be the "do the opposite of what everyone says you ought to do even though you asked for people's bloody opinions in the OP" thread, here's my very very strong suggestion: DON'T go to the police. Whatever the fuck you do, stay the god damn hell away from the police. They'll just laugh, and maybe lock you up for whatever you've done that you're not telling us. Nomaam, don't you DARE go to the police!

Halanna 06-24-2009 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by lktknow (Post 2656942)
Not that I want to keep this going, but I thought I would tell you the steps I have taken to insure myself a long life.
I contacted my lawyer and had an "Order of Protection" implemented.
I still have not went to the Police, however the way I handled it I think is a bit more diplomatic, and will pretty much ensure a quieter outcome.
The one person that I thought and still think was going to do this, was the youngest of the family. So, I sent an email to his mother and his sister, who are much smarter and worldly than he is. I was very adamant in telling them I was not accusing anyone of anything, I was only relating facts as I have seen them, and how it made me feel. I told them I did not want any answers from them as to why this person was seemingly doing the things he was doing, because I was sure he will have an answer for everything I said. The only reason for the email was to see if they were aware of what he was doing, and the consequences behind his actions if indeed it was what it seemed like.
I am more than sure, his mother and sister will read him the riot act, and besides, once they know I am on to him, I seriously do not think he would follow through with it. He would be the first person looked at if something happened to me.


For some unknown reason I'm struggling to figure out exactly what is going on here.

I really don't think an Order of Protection is going to do you any good. When he shows up at the door, what are you going to do, wave the paperwork around? He can easily get to you before the police can get there to enforce the Order. If he's trying to do you in, chances are he won't be the one physically there, making the Order useless.

There is no reason NOT to go to the police. If the detectives find any validity in your story, they can set up reverse stings, seeing if he will hire a "hit man", they will quietly check out what he is doing and who he's doing it with, they will check to see if he has any warrants so if he does they can get him off the street. Don't discount the help they can give you. Give it a whirl. If nothing else, you'll feel better.

Umm, not to be confrontational, but when a person genuinely feels their life is danger, I don't think diplomacy is the solution. Diplomacy is for misunderstandings, to bring about conflict resolution or to smooth over differences of opinion, not to save your life.

So you told his Mom and sister, they are going to "read him the riot act" and you think he'll be the first person looked at if something happens to you.

Great! The police will be looking at him. He's had a stern talking to from his family. You will be dead. Not the outcome I would choose.

My instinct is telling me there is more to this story. What you are saying essentially is, "I honestly fear my life is in danger". What you are doing it acting like he called you on the phone and said, "Boo".

Wrexify 06-24-2009 06:43 AM

Hmm... your continued reluctance to go to the police makes me think 3 things:

1. There's something more to the story then we've heard here.
2. The story is, in fact, nothing more than a story. Going to the police is a boring ending.
3. After all the advice given here, you still don't believe that they can help you. It's their job and they will help, period.

lktknow 06-24-2009 10:32 PM

I am going to attempt to explain why I am reluctant to go to the police about this, and I am fairly positive, I will get lambasted even more for it, than I have, for not going.
First of all, I have nothing to hide from the police, I am not afraid of them finding out anything about me, there is nothing to find out.
This is so hard to explain, but, even with me being fairly positive that this person is definitely up to what I think he is, (and there is really not a shred of doubt in MY mind) even after knowing that, I could not put his mother through the devastating heartache it would cause her if he got put in jail or prison because of it.
I know, I know, that doesn't make much sense because here he wanted me dead. And it is no sympathy for him, that I am not going to the police, it is only because of his mother.
Her and I no longer speak, or have any communication whatsoever, but there was a time when we were very close, we traveled extensively together, went to London, Spain, Italy and went on a 17 day cruise of the Mediterranean, I could go on and on, she was like a daughter to me, I loved her very much, and those feelings do not just go away..
But when her father passed away, things changed, or I should say they changed, when I got my own lawyer, only to protect my interests. The day she found out I retained a lawyer, she emailed me and said she had blocked me from her email, and she wanted no further communication with me. I was heartbroken, and tried very hard to make amends with her, but she would have no part of it.
This may seem odd to say, but I can actually understand where this guy is coming from. I think the entire family was of the mind set ,that they would all be on easy street as soon as "father" "grandfather" passed away.
In fact a friend of this guy told me. the guy had told him , he would have no financial difficulties once his grandpa died.
And the guy that I think is orchestrating this whole thing, is low man, on the chain of funds being handed out. So, I am sure he has went to his mom for money at one time or another, and she has refused him ,whatever he asked for ,using the excuse of having to write me a check that week, or whenever. So, I am a total thorn in his side.
But, I can still see where he would be so ticked off about the whole thing cause from the time he was even able to understand things, he had it in his mind that the world was his oyster, when grandpa died. And then, to have a wrench thrown into the equation, he is fuming. (and I am not referring to myself as a wrench, just anything that derailed his way of thinking is what I mean)
Maybe it has not thoroughly sunk in what he was actually going to do, or I should say , have done. I have no idea, but I could not endure the heartbreak it would cause his mother if I involved the police, and they brought it all out in the open. Which I am more than certain they would do.
So, I am trying my damnedest to not have to involve them at this point, and I sincerely believe his mother will tell him exactly what the consequences of his actions would cost him. I think he was thinking he was tom slick, and would not get caught. don't all criminals?
However, If I continue to see things that do not look or feel right, I will go to the police.


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