Eliminated
 

What steps could a person take if they strongly suspected, there were certain people who wanted them eliminated? For whatever reasons, but you knew they were taking the necessary steps to have it done. Seriously, what can a person do if they almost know for a fact, that there are persons arranging to have them killed.
The police deal in facts and crime, not suspicions and gut feelings. So they won't even talk to you unless there has been a crime committed, or you have a tangible reason for thinking there is going to be one committed. You cannot go to them and say you saw so and so (the person you suspect of wanting you killed) talking to someone you know , or have heard, makes people dissappear.
Someone I was talking to said they would just disappear, which I suppose is an option, but one I would not want to take.
I would like your opinions on this subject.
thank you

attorney - order of protection...

Is this hypothetical?

You actually could go to the police...

Whatever you do, don't watch or read A Beautiful Mind.

Actually, no, it is not hypothetical.
And I am going to use this opportunity to address "manic"'s reply.
I am sure the majority of people would assume this attitude, because the majority of people's minds have a hard time processing the fact of another human killing someone. But it happens everyday.
Forewarned is forearmed.
I was more than sure I would get a few people who would say it is all in my head, but how could you without knowing ANY of the facts in this particular case.
I am one of the most mentally stable persons you would ever want to know.
Mainly because I use logic and reason to solve whatever problem I encounter, and who can argue with logic?
I do not have an overactive imagination, I hate drama of any sort, I control my emotions, they do not control me. I do not watch television at all.
If I gave you even the basic facts surrounding this post, I truly believe you would think like me

pray tell? change names, dates, places, etc. as you will, but you can't make a statement like that and not follow it up with some detail if you are looking to get any helpful advice at all.

At this moment based on the given information, I'd say don't ever travel alone and keep a desert eagle handy.

Logic can be flawed if some of or any of the facts are tainted or biased.

As far as what you can do, you should always be able to protect yourself to whatever reasonable level according to your morality. I don't think one can count on police past a level, since it takes a period of time to respond to any emergency.

For me, I've learned how to keep and operate firearms. I learned Krav Maga when I was younger. If ever in a situation, I'd like to be the one waking up to see another day.

I believe you, why shouldn't i? so the situation is: someone is trying to have you killed, what can you do about it?

i WOULD go to the police, explain why you think you are a target. there might be nothing they can do about it now, but they will know, and perhaps they will patrol in your area a bit more.

try not to be alone. be super hyper vigilant. if they really truly want you dead, and they have the resources and capability, chances are not in your favor. good luck, i'd like to see how this turns out.

you're obviously not using logic if you dont make yourself dissappear, so my question to you is, if you can be wrong on that, why cant you be wrong about this whole thing?

what definitive burden of proof do you have to prove your theory?

..after all, it is a theory


have you seen this movie...

If the alleged hirer and the alleged hiree of said deed have spoken about it, they've committed Conspiracy to Commit Murder, and that's actually a crime. Take your evidence to the police right now.

Relying solely on any other action (e.g. getting a gun for the first time in your life, anything Rube Goldbergesque around your front door) would be evidence of YOUR lack of grasp on reality, not theirs.

I think the first step is to ask for advice on an internet message board, so you are good to go there... The next step might be something like, oh i don't know, a call to the police.

Definitely go to the police. Tell them everything you can, get them to make a report and investigate it. Chances are good they'll investigate it, especially if your reason isn't paranoid and flimsy as hell. Next, Go to a private detective, have him investigate it. Get a restraining order on both the the person wanting you dead and person you suspect of being hired to kill you.

:expressionless:

It wasn't that I was asking for advice, it was more or less me wanting to find out what other people would do in the situation. I have already done some of the things mentioned, one was contact my lawyer who is aware of the entire situation now, and does not think I am being overly paranoid or flaky.
I have not gone to the police, because I honestly do not think they would talk to me about it. But now that a few of you have said otherwise, I will do that first thing in the morning.
I have to admit, I am scared, but I also hate to be intimidated, and made to live in fear. I refuse to live my life that way, of always looking over my shoulder.

I suppose it did seem rather strange me asking for advice or whatever on a forum type site, because the situation is much more serious than a simple answer from such a site. I think the main reason I did it, was the fact of me only telling my son, and him taking me serious only to a certain degree, but then giving me legitimate reasons why the way I am thinking could be flawed, although he had to agree with me, it does not look good, as far as the evidence I have. But he did put a different perspective on a couple things I had told him.
Anyway, at this point, I honestly do not know what the outcome will be, but I think no matter what happens, it is good to be aware of what's going on around you.

Could you get back to us in a day or two and tell us if you're dead or not?

Well, if it is only one individual out to get you, you could always be proactive.

If it's a shadow conspiracy, you're boned.

So what did you do that would make this person (or persons) want to off you? Or do they just not like the cut of your jib?

you see, spock, this is what makes you lose some credibility. i don't own or watch tv, but that just means i don't like tv and don't have one, it has nothing to do with my mental stability. the harder you try to prove your sanity, the more likely you don't have as much as you think.

still, i'll believe someone wants to kill you. i can only assume (and hope) its some drug/money/crime thing. that is believable, most other things are not.

I don't know, but this thread is pretty awesome. If you truly are in this situation, get a car, a gun, stay alert, be ready to move at all times (I guess??).

I dub thee "Sir Next Kpax"

Have you thought about speaking to a private investigator? Maybe he/she could poke around and find the evidence you need get law enforcement more involved.

Actually I do own a tv, but it never gets turned on, and I don't think it has anything to do with my mental stability either, but I do not like television, and never have, whoever dubbed it the "boob tube" was right as far as I am concerned, and the only reason I even mentioned the fact of me not watching tv, was a lot of people say "you've been watching too much tv" when you present something such as this to them.
If that means I lost credibility, I don't see how.?? or maybe I am missing something.

I do apologize if my first post came across as rude or douchey - it was merely an attempt at humor. And I really don't think this is a matter of credibility but rather a matter of dealing with an op that's quite incredible and the fact that most of us have been conditioned to doubt whatever we read online.

If you say things are as you say they are then I'm sure of your honesty. However, with all of that said, I really don't see what there is to do with this situation besides the obvious - call the police and get as prepared as you can.

Actually, I don't think you're getting enough tv.

There was a period years ago where I went without tv for maybe 8 months. I didn't realize it but I was slowly going bat shit. I was glued to my computer every minute of the day. I became paranoid. I didn't want to leave the house. My blinds were always drawn. You need to have some sort of contact with the world, not only for entertainment purposes, but at minimum for news or what not. 'Get out of your head,' if that makes sense.

And if you're that concerned about someone out to get you, posting this online was stupid. For information, the first thing they'd tap into would be your online activities. Now, this is assuming an actual hitman was out to get you and not some hillbilly with a shotgun rack in his truck and a case of Busch.

I think you need to contact an attorney and a psychologist. Then, either way, you're safe.

and for the record I don't believe you. I don't mean that in a rude way; just being honest. I feel like things of this nature actually don't happen. And when they do, people usually aren't so cavalier/out in the open about it.

I didn't do anything, other than get a lawyer to protect my interest in an Irrevocable trust. I guess they would have rather me just sit back, and let them call the shots, and consequently leave me without ANY of the provisions provided for me in said trust, which is what they were going about doing, with questionable things bordering on illegal. My lawyer exposed it for what it was, and in the long run, got me a substantial increase in said provisions, which did not set right with them in the least.
But it is only one particular person who is in on this dastardly deed I have described in this post.
It all has to do with greed, and not wanting to share, when there is more than enough to go around. And the ironic part of it was, I was perfectly satisfied with the original provisions, and would have never questioned my right to have more, it was only when they wanted to take those away, I got the lawyer, so in actuality, I beat them at their own game, and it is not setting well with this particular person. Oh I'm sure none of them are happy about having to write two substantial checks a month to me, for the rest of my life, but this one person I truly believe is thinking he is going to put an end to that.

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I sincerely went over this in my mind before I posted this thread, and I asked myself, what would happen if the person I believe is doing this, or wanting to have it done, reads this post. And I came to the conclusion, that it would be a good thing, because it would send the message to him, that I am not as dumb as he evidently thought I was, and he is not as slick as he thought he was.

Have you talked with the police yet?

I find it strange that you believe your life to be in danger, and rather than going to the police, you're spending your time defending your credibility to a bunch of random anonymous internet users. That right there hurts your credibility more than anything else. Not that it matters all that much--we ARE just random anonymous internet users, so who the hell really cares what we think--but there it is. You seem to care, which seems really strange to me, if your circumstances really are what you say they are.

Ikt, the more you type, the more you sound like a raving madman. I'm sorry if that offends you, but from your last post, I get that distinctly.

Without know anything of the context, it's hard for anybody to really sympathize with your problem.




If you want an answer to your original question at the top:

I would:
- Hire a private investigator
- Book a plane out of there for a month, preferably 2 weeks at 1 spot, and 2 weeks at a second spot.
- Check in with the PI after week 3 for any updates.
- Install anti-break-in measures in/around my house while I'm out.
- Hire a second PI to follow up on what the first one reported.
- Buy a handgun, and take up training ASAP. (real training)
- stay away from any alcohol/drugs/...
- get in shape (maybe start on that while you're away)

I don't think it is rude at all , you saying you don't believe this is happening, I believe the majority of people told something such as this would doubt it.
I think it's something like 96 per cent of us have a conscience, but there is that 4 per cent that don't, which is really hard for us to even understand living without a conscience. It is just not in our nature to believe things like this happen, or at least not in everyday life, but it does.

These are my thoughts as well.

It's been over an hour since I last asked. Plenty of time to go to the nearest police station. So I'll ask again: Have you talked to the police yet?

My God.

I hope he's ok.

Maybe it's someone working at the police station that wants to off him...

And there are other ways to kill someone where a gun would do you no good. It depends how covert they wanted to be. But something like a remote controlled bomb would be hard to defend against.

So, you can move away, change your name, and go off the grid for a while (I would suggest a nice beach in Mexico or Hawaii). Because, even if they catch these people and put them in jail, they can still get someone on the outside to do their dirty work (especially if it is a gang or mob related), or they will get out eventually and it would be best if they didn't run into you again.

Well at least this gives some insight into the situation. And if its as you say it is, I can actually see where you might be coming from. Because whether you were in the right or not, if you did something that is costing someone a perpetual chunk of change, I could actually fathom a situation where they would want you out of the picture.

However, it's very likely that if they actually did do something, they are going to be the prime suspect.

Do you have any actual evidence that they are plotting your demise or is it just "a feeling"?

Maybe you could have your lawyer draft up something that says if you die under "suspicious circumstances" that it will cost Mr.X a huge amount of money, so it essentially winds up being cheaper to keep you alive.

Was there something criminal, or at least shady, involved in this "irrevocable trust"? That's the only reason I can see you staying away from the police on this matter.

so if its about greed, and you say you're not a greedy person, why not just give the part of the money you got the 2nd time around to the person thats out to get you.

that way you'll sleep better

I don't get this thread. I need an update from the OP, the OP needs to do the right thing, which is to talk to the authorities, who'll either look into it and confirm it, or reject as everyday paranoia.

I still think it's all bullshit by the op.
Sounds like the plot of a throw-away beach book or a bad Lifetime movie.

I have been told this exactly twice before. Once was by someone who turned out to be schizophrenic and once by someone who was denying having Borderline Personality Disorder.

Did they get you yet?

I never said I wasn't a greedy person, (although I'm not), what I said was, I was completely satisfied with the original provisions provided in the original trust.

Okay, I wanted to respond to a couple other things that have been said in response to my post.
To ratbastid, who said they found it strange that I am defending my credibility to people in this forum rather than go to the police with my suspicions.
I really do not mean to be defending myself, I was just answering the questions the different people posed.

And to everyone who said they find it odd that I have not contacted the police.
It is mainly because I have no tangible proof this is really happening, although I do have more than just a "gut feeling", what with seeing certain people together, who have no real reason to be talking to one another, other than what I am suspecting. (I should explain this ) Approximately 6 years ago , I accompanied my husband, (the person who's Irrevocable trust is mentioned in this post) to a rather seedy part of town to purchase some appliances for the apartments we owned. upon arriving at this little shop there were four or five guys there and they all started drinking beer, it was late in the afternoon and my husband joined them in the drinking. They were all having a good time shooting the breeze when one of the guys asked me if I knew one of the other guys there was a magician. They all laughed. I didn't get the joke. Then a couple seconds later, the guy said the reason the guy was a magician, was because he had the ability to make people disappear. To which they all laughed again. It took a couple seconds for it to register what they meant, but it sent a chill up my spine when I did realize it. I looked at the guy they had said it about, and made a mental note to avoid this person, because whoever has the ability to kill people, I do not want to know them. My husband and I never discussed this conversation, with me not asking him anything about it, because I never really wanted to know any of the details involved, for the person even saying this in the first place. But I never forgot it either.
And that is where the certain people talking to one another comes in, because I saw the one individual, who they had said was the magician talking to the person, who I believe wants me eliminated. And they are of completely different age brackets, social standings and all the other reasons for these two people to have any reason to be talking to one another.
(I am sure a lot of you will say, this is not how stuff like this happens because if there truly is a person who they call a magician, the last thing they are going to do is broadcast it, which I found it extremely odd when the guy said it, and when I looked at the guy it was said about, just by his facial expression, you could tell he was not happy it had been said)
But that goes along with my suspicion, I mean the fact of seeing these two people talking very early on a Saturday morning, like around 6am, when I was taking trash out.
And to MSD , who said they had known two people who told them they were mentally stable, and they both turned out not to be, reminded me of a person I knew who used to brag about having 3 different sets of papers stating they were sane.
At this point, I am keeping a very low profile and keeping my eyes and ears open to everything going on around me.
I apologize if this post seems odd, I found it odd at me even posting it myself, and was going to do it hypothetically, but decided to put the whole thing out there, knowing I would most likely receive negative comments, but hoping in the long run, I could get some insight as to what the ones who really believed this could be happening would do. I thank you all for the comments, good and bad, and no they have not got me yet

I prefer bullet points.

That's plenty. Go to the police.

Really. At the very least, having a record of your reporting what you've seen to the police would help them apprehend whoever's responsible in the event of your untimely etc etc.

Just fucking go, okay? Start with, "I know this might sound crazy, but hear me out: here's what I think is happening."

Bullet points probably wouldn't be the best for someone who is afraid of getting assassinated. ;)

I guarantee you that's what the cops will want too.

I've found that people who either isolate themselves from society, or those that have too much time on their hands, spend a LOT of time thinking about themselves, their life situations, their fears, and how prospective events may effect them. We all do that to some extent, but those people often do it to an extreme, where they become somewhat mentally self-centered. Not that they think more of themselves than everyone else, but that they think that everyone else's actions, motives, thoughts, and plans are more highly effected by them. In reality, it's not all about them. In reality, those people do almost nothing, are not motivated at all, barely even think of, and rarely plan anything, because of the individual so concerned and paranoid.

My gut says this is what we are seeing in this thread.

^ Absolutely. Any "perfectly sane" adult who truly believed something like this was happening would just go to the police. I don't understand how there's any reason not to go, even without any evidence. "Because they won't believe me" is a pretty bogus reason if you ask me. Maybe they won't, but isn't it better than doing nothing?

Or you could build a giant robot exoskeleton like Iron Man, rendering yourself immune to normal weapons and looking totally badass in the process. Either way.

Oh. I just realized why you won't go. There's a warrant out on you, isn't there? You're hiding from the police too.

That's the only thing I can think that has your refusal to go report it make any sense.

maybe he's in the mob and the police have been bought out by a different faction and the police now want him eliminated.

hmm haven't I seen this in a movie before?

I'm glad you took that as I intended it and not as me trying to be rude.
This is really your best bet. Even if you tell them "I just want it on record in case something does happen to me," it's better than nothing. Despite the perception a lot of people have, the vast majority of cops will jump at the chance to protect an innocent person. The worst they can do is tell you there's not enough evidence to make a case and keep it in a file.

Another big thing, talk to your lawyer about it. Have him help you write out a comprehensive statement with as many specifics as possible to be released if you are attacked or go missing. Ask what you can legally do in this situation; I would hope a lawyer you trust with large amounts of money would be knowledgeable about the law, or at least be able to refer you to another lawyer who specialized in what you need advice on.

Ohh, guys, lktknow is female.

To OP: I don't believe, nor disbelieve, just like any other post on a forum.

Everyone else: haha, it amuses me how silly everyone is being, by saying its much more likely that she has a very rare neurological disorder rather than someone wanting her dead.

OP: What's best depends on who's involved and what your capabilities are. I know what I'd do. But its probably not what you should do. Besides going to the police, and hiring a PI I'd focus on being hard to find. You really don't need to leave the city unless its an entire organization after you. Simply moving to a hotel 5 miles away from your house can be enough if he has no reason to look for you there. The key when moving is to get rid of any evidence of your passing. Stop using your credit card. Visit random banks/atms when you need to refill on cash. Don't go to any of your usual places. etc. PM me if you'd like to talk some more.

need i say it again?

Seriously, talk to your lawyer about what legal options you have if you don't want to go to the cops. Tell him exactly what you told us and say you want guidance.
If you do move, see if your lawyer can divert your payments into a blind trust with anonymous trustee to conceal your location.

Not that I want to keep this going, but I thought I would tell you the steps I have taken to insure myself a long life.
I contacted my lawyer and had an "Order of Protection" implemented.
I still have not went to the Police, however the way I handled it I think is a bit more diplomatic, and will pretty much ensure a quieter outcome.
The one person that I thought and still think was going to do this, was the youngest of the family. So, I sent an email to his mother and his sister, who are much smarter and worldly than he is. I was very adamant in telling them I was not accusing anyone of anything, I was only relating facts as I have seen them, and how it made me feel. I told them I did not want any answers from them as to why this person was seemingly doing the things he was doing, because I was sure he will have an answer for everything I said. The only reason for the email was to see if they were aware of what he was doing, and the consequences behind his actions if indeed it was what it seemed like.
I am more than sure, his mother and sister will read him the riot act, and besides, once they know I am on to him, I seriously do not think he would follow through with it. He would be the first person looked at if something happened to me.

I don't get how telling his mom is more diplomatic than just alerting the popo to the situation. I highly doubt that the popo would be visiting the individual in any capacity. but then again, I don't know what happens in cities outside of major or large ones.

as far as the order of protection you'll know that if there are family gatherings, you'll not be able to attend or he'll not.

if your hunch is right and you do get taken out, theres no guarantee that his family wont cover for him.

if the cops are notified, at least you have it on record so that justice can be served. just rememebr that Revenge is a Dish Best Served Cold (TM)

I'll take care of it for $500.

Got a grid for me?

too bad cromp, wait in line..ive got a (TM) on it.

I have an idea.

Since this appears to be the "do the opposite of what everyone says you ought to do even though you asked for people's bloody opinions in the OP" thread, here's my very very strong suggestion: DON'T go to the police. Whatever the fuck you do, stay the god damn hell away from the police. They'll just laugh, and maybe lock you up for whatever you've done that you're not telling us. Nomaam, don't you DARE go to the police!

For some unknown reason I'm struggling to figure out exactly what is going on here.

I really don't think an Order of Protection is going to do you any good. When he shows up at the door, what are you going to do, wave the paperwork around? He can easily get to you before the police can get there to enforce the Order. If he's trying to do you in, chances are he won't be the one physically there, making the Order useless.

There is no reason NOT to go to the police. If the detectives find any validity in your story, they can set up reverse stings, seeing if he will hire a "hit man", they will quietly check out what he is doing and who he's doing it with, they will check to see if he has any warrants so if he does they can get him off the street. Don't discount the help they can give you. Give it a whirl. If nothing else, you'll feel better.

Umm, not to be confrontational, but when a person genuinely feels their life is danger, I don't think diplomacy is the solution. Diplomacy is for misunderstandings, to bring about conflict resolution or to smooth over differences of opinion, not to save your life.

So you told his Mom and sister, they are going to "read him the riot act" and you think he'll be the first person looked at if something happens to you.

Great! The police will be looking at him. He's had a stern talking to from his family. You will be dead. Not the outcome I would choose.

My instinct is telling me there is more to this story. What you are saying essentially is, "I honestly fear my life is in danger". What you are doing it acting like he called you on the phone and said, "Boo".

Hmm... your continued reluctance to go to the police makes me think 3 things:

1. There's something more to the story then we've heard here.
2. The story is, in fact, nothing more than a story. Going to the police is a boring ending.
3. After all the advice given here, you still don't believe that they can help you. It's their job and they will help, period.

I am going to attempt to explain why I am reluctant to go to the police about this, and I am fairly positive, I will get lambasted even more for it, than I have, for not going.
First of all, I have nothing to hide from the police, I am not afraid of them finding out anything about me, there is nothing to find out.
This is so hard to explain, but, even with me being fairly positive that this person is definitely up to what I think he is, (and there is really not a shred of doubt in MY mind) even after knowing that, I could not put his mother through the devastating heartache it would cause her if he got put in jail or prison because of it.
I know, I know, that doesn't make much sense because here he wanted me dead. And it is no sympathy for him, that I am not going to the police, it is only because of his mother.
Her and I no longer speak, or have any communication whatsoever, but there was a time when we were very close, we traveled extensively together, went to London, Spain, Italy and went on a 17 day cruise of the Mediterranean, I could go on and on, she was like a daughter to me, I loved her very much, and those feelings do not just go away..
But when her father passed away, things changed, or I should say they changed, when I got my own lawyer, only to protect my interests. The day she found out I retained a lawyer, she emailed me and said she had blocked me from her email, and she wanted no further communication with me. I was heartbroken, and tried very hard to make amends with her, but she would have no part of it.
This may seem odd to say, but I can actually understand where this guy is coming from. I think the entire family was of the mind set ,that they would all be on easy street as soon as "father" "grandfather" passed away.
In fact a friend of this guy told me. the guy had told him , he would have no financial difficulties once his grandpa died.
And the guy that I think is orchestrating this whole thing, is low man, on the chain of funds being handed out. So, I am sure he has went to his mom for money at one time or another, and she has refused him ,whatever he asked for ,using the excuse of having to write me a check that week, or whenever. So, I am a total thorn in his side.
But, I can still see where he would be so ticked off about the whole thing cause from the time he was even able to understand things, he had it in his mind that the world was his oyster, when grandpa died. And then, to have a wrench thrown into the equation, he is fuming. (and I am not referring to myself as a wrench, just anything that derailed his way of thinking is what I mean)
Maybe it has not thoroughly sunk in what he was actually going to do, or I should say , have done. I have no idea, but I could not endure the heartbreak it would cause his mother if I involved the police, and they brought it all out in the open. Which I am more than certain they would do.
So, I am trying my damnedest to not have to involve them at this point, and I sincerely believe his mother will tell him exactly what the consequences of his actions would cost him. I think he was thinking he was tom slick, and would not get caught. don't all criminals?
However, If I continue to see things that do not look or feel right, I will go to the police.