lktknow

What steps could a person take if they strongly suspected, there were certain people who wanted them eliminated? For whatever reasons, but you knew they were taking the necessary steps to have it done. Seriously, what can a person do if they almost know for a fact, that there are persons arranging to have them killed.
The police deal in facts and crime, not suspicions and gut feelings. So they won't even talk to you unless there has been a crime committed, or you have a tangible reason for thinking there is going to be one committed. You cannot go to them and say you saw so and so (the person you suspect of wanting you killed) talking to someone you know , or have heard, makes people dissappear.
Someone I was talking to said they would just disappear, which I suppose is an option, but one I would not want to take.
I would like your opinions on this subject.
thank you

__________________
Never give up on something that you can’t go a day without thinking about. ~

uncle phil

attorney - order of protection...

__________________
"We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done."
- Robert S. McNamara
-----------------------------------------
"We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches...
We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles."
- Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message"
-----------------------------------------
never wrestle with a pig.
you both get dirty;
the pig likes it.

ratbastid

Is this hypothetical?

Stare At The Sun

You actually could go to the police...

Manic_Skafe

Whatever you do, don't watch or read A Beautiful Mind.

__________________
"Porn is a zoo of exotic animals that becomes boring upon ownership." -Nersesian

lktknow

Actually, no, it is not hypothetical.
And I am going to use this opportunity to address "manic"'s reply.
I am sure the majority of people would assume this attitude, because the majority of people's minds have a hard time processing the fact of another human killing someone. But it happens everyday.
Forewarned is forearmed.
I was more than sure I would get a few people who would say it is all in my head, but how could you without knowing ANY of the facts in this particular case.
I am one of the most mentally stable persons you would ever want to know.
Mainly because I use logic and reason to solve whatever problem I encounter, and who can argue with logic?
I do not have an overactive imagination, I hate drama of any sort, I control my emotions, they do not control me. I do not watch television at all.
If I gave you even the basic facts surrounding this post, I truly believe you would think like me

__________________
Never give up on something that you can’t go a day without thinking about. ~

murp0434

pray tell? change names, dates, places, etc. as you will, but you can't make a statement like that and not follow it up with some detail if you are looking to get any helpful advice at all.

At this moment based on the given information, I'd say don't ever travel alone and keep a desert eagle handy.

__________________
These are the good old days.


How did I become upright?

Cynthetiq

Logic can be flawed if some of or any of the facts are tainted or biased.

As far as what you can do, you should always be able to protect yourself to whatever reasonable level according to your morality. I don't think one can count on police past a level, since it takes a period of time to respond to any emergency.

For me, I've learned how to keep and operate firearms. I learned Krav Maga when I was younger. If ever in a situation, I'd like to be the one waking up to see another day.

__________________
I don't care if you are black, white, purple, green, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, hippie, cop, bum, admin, user, English, Irish, French, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, indian, cowboy, tall, short, fat, skinny, emo, punk, mod, rocker, straight, gay, lesbian, jock, nerd, geek, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Independent, driver, pedestrian, or bicyclist, either you're an asshole or you're not.

squeeeb

I believe you, why shouldn't i? so the situation is: someone is trying to have you killed, what can you do about it?

i WOULD go to the police, explain why you think you are a target. there might be nothing they can do about it now, but they will know, and perhaps they will patrol in your area a bit more.

try not to be alone. be super hyper vigilant. if they really truly want you dead, and they have the resources and capability, chances are not in your favor. good luck, i'd like to see how this turns out.

__________________
onward to mayhem!

dlish

you're obviously not using logic if you dont make yourself dissappear, so my question to you is, if you can be wrong on that, why cant you be wrong about this whole thing?

what definitive burden of proof do you have to prove your theory?

..after all, it is a theory


have you seen this movie...

__________________
An injustice anywhere, is an injustice everywhere

I always sign my facebook comments with ()()===========(}. Does that make me gay?
- Filthy

ratbastid

If the alleged hirer and the alleged hiree of said deed have spoken about it, they've committed Conspiracy to Commit Murder, and that's actually a crime. Take your evidence to the police right now.

Relying solely on any other action (e.g. getting a gun for the first time in your life, anything Rube Goldbergesque around your front door) would be evidence of YOUR lack of grasp on reality, not theirs.

Crack

I think the first step is to ask for advice on an internet message board, so you are good to go there... The next step might be something like, oh i don't know, a call to the police.

__________________
Crack, you and I are long overdue for a vicious bout of mansex.

~Halx

Reese

Definitely go to the police. Tell them everything you can, get them to make a report and investigate it. Chances are good they'll investigate it, especially if your reason isn't paranoid and flimsy as hell. Next, Go to a private detective, have him investigate it. Get a restraining order on both the the person wanting you dead and person you suspect of being hired to kill you.

__________________
“It is better to be rich and healthy than poor and sick” - Dave Barry

wooÐs

lktknow

It wasn't that I was asking for advice, it was more or less me wanting to find out what other people would do in the situation. I have already done some of the things mentioned, one was contact my lawyer who is aware of the entire situation now, and does not think I am being overly paranoid or flaky.
I have not gone to the police, because I honestly do not think they would talk to me about it. But now that a few of you have said otherwise, I will do that first thing in the morning.
I have to admit, I am scared, but I also hate to be intimidated, and made to live in fear. I refuse to live my life that way, of always looking over my shoulder.

I suppose it did seem rather strange me asking for advice or whatever on a forum type site, because the situation is much more serious than a simple answer from such a site. I think the main reason I did it, was the fact of me only telling my son, and him taking me serious only to a certain degree, but then giving me legitimate reasons why the way I am thinking could be flawed, although he had to agree with me, it does not look good, as far as the evidence I have. But he did put a different perspective on a couple things I had told him.
Anyway, at this point, I honestly do not know what the outcome will be, but I think no matter what happens, it is good to be aware of what's going on around you.

__________________
Never give up on something that you can’t go a day without thinking about. ~

Fremen

Could you get back to us in a day or two and tell us if you're dead or not?

__________________
Google

mrklixx

Well, if it is only one individual out to get you, you could always be proactive.

If it's a shadow conspiracy, you're boned.

So what did you do that would make this person (or persons) want to off you? Or do they just not like the cut of your jib?

__________________
This post is content. If you don't like it then you are not content. Or perhaps just incontinent.

This is not a link - Do not click here

I hate animated avatars.

squeeeb

you see, spock, this is what makes you lose some credibility. i don't own or watch tv, but that just means i don't like tv and don't have one, it has nothing to do with my mental stability. the harder you try to prove your sanity, the more likely you don't have as much as you think.

still, i'll believe someone wants to kill you. i can only assume (and hope) its some drug/money/crime thing. that is believable, most other things are not.

__________________
onward to mayhem!

biznatch

I don't know, but this thread is pretty awesome. If you truly are in this situation, get a car, a gun, stay alert, be ready to move at all times (I guess??).

__________________
Check it out: The Open Source/Freeware/Gratis Software Thread

thespian86

I dub thee "Sir Next Kpax"

__________________
EX: Whats new?
ME: I officially love coffee more then you now.
EX: uh...
ME: So, not much.

ItWasMe

Have you thought about speaking to a private investigator? Maybe he/she could poke around and find the evidence you need get law enforcement more involved.

__________________
. . . . . . . . . . . . . .


"Ok, no more truth-or-dare until somebody returns my underwear" ~ George Lopez

I bake cookies just so I can lick the bowl. ~ ItWasMe

lktknow

Actually I do own a tv, but it never gets turned on, and I don't think it has anything to do with my mental stability either, but I do not like television, and never have, whoever dubbed it the "boob tube" was right as far as I am concerned, and the only reason I even mentioned the fact of me not watching tv, was a lot of people say "you've been watching too much tv" when you present something such as this to them.
If that means I lost credibility, I don't see how.?? or maybe I am missing something.

__________________
Never give up on something that you can’t go a day without thinking about. ~

Manic_Skafe

I do apologize if my first post came across as rude or douchey - it was merely an attempt at humor. And I really don't think this is a matter of credibility but rather a matter of dealing with an op that's quite incredible and the fact that most of us have been conditioned to doubt whatever we read online.

If you say things are as you say they are then I'm sure of your honesty. However, with all of that said, I really don't see what there is to do with this situation besides the obvious - call the police and get as prepared as you can.

__________________
"Porn is a zoo of exotic animals that becomes boring upon ownership." -Nersesian

wooÐs

Actually, I don't think you're getting enough tv.

There was a period years ago where I went without tv for maybe 8 months. I didn't realize it but I was slowly going bat shit. I was glued to my computer every minute of the day. I became paranoid. I didn't want to leave the house. My blinds were always drawn. You need to have some sort of contact with the world, not only for entertainment purposes, but at minimum for news or what not. 'Get out of your head,' if that makes sense.

And if you're that concerned about someone out to get you, posting this online was stupid. For information, the first thing they'd tap into would be your online activities. Now, this is assuming an actual hitman was out to get you and not some hillbilly with a shotgun rack in his truck and a case of Busch.

thespian86

I think you need to contact an attorney and a psychologist. Then, either way, you're safe.

and for the record I don't believe you. I don't mean that in a rude way; just being honest. I feel like things of this nature actually don't happen. And when they do, people usually aren't so cavalier/out in the open about it.

__________________
EX: Whats new?
ME: I officially love coffee more then you now.
EX: uh...
ME: So, not much.

lktknow

I didn't do anything, other than get a lawyer to protect my interest in an Irrevocable trust. I guess they would have rather me just sit back, and let them call the shots, and consequently leave me without ANY of the provisions provided for me in said trust, which is what they were going about doing, with questionable things bordering on illegal. My lawyer exposed it for what it was, and in the long run, got me a substantial increase in said provisions, which did not set right with them in the least.
But it is only one particular person who is in on this dastardly deed I have described in this post.
It all has to do with greed, and not wanting to share, when there is more than enough to go around. And the ironic part of it was, I was perfectly satisfied with the original provisions, and would have never questioned my right to have more, it was only when they wanted to take those away, I got the lawyer, so in actuality, I beat them at their own game, and it is not setting well with this particular person. Oh I'm sure none of them are happy about having to write two substantial checks a month to me, for the rest of my life, but this one person I truly believe is thinking he is going to put an end to that.

---------- Post added at 05:39 AM ---------- Previous post was at 05:32 AM ----------

I sincerely went over this in my mind before I posted this thread, and I asked myself, what would happen if the person I believe is doing this, or wanting to have it done, reads this post. And I came to the conclusion, that it would be a good thing, because it would send the message to him, that I am not as dumb as he evidently thought I was, and he is not as slick as he thought he was.

__________________
Never give up on something that you can’t go a day without thinking about. ~

ratbastid

Have you talked with the police yet?

I find it strange that you believe your life to be in danger, and rather than going to the police, you're spending your time defending your credibility to a bunch of random anonymous internet users. That right there hurts your credibility more than anything else. Not that it matters all that much--we ARE just random anonymous internet users, so who the hell really cares what we think--but there it is. You seem to care, which seems really strange to me, if your circumstances really are what you say they are.

Nisses

Ikt, the more you type, the more you sound like a raving madman. I'm sorry if that offends you, but from your last post, I get that distinctly.

Without know anything of the context, it's hard for anybody to really sympathize with your problem.




If you want an answer to your original question at the top:

I would:
- Hire a private investigator
- Book a plane out of there for a month, preferably 2 weeks at 1 spot, and 2 weeks at a second spot.
- Check in with the PI after week 3 for any updates.
- Install anti-break-in measures in/around my house while I'm out.
- Hire a second PI to follow up on what the first one reported.
- Buy a handgun, and take up training ASAP. (real training)
- stay away from any alcohol/drugs/...
- get in shape (maybe start on that while you're away)

__________________
Moderation should be moderately moderated.

lktknow

I don't think it is rude at all , you saying you don't believe this is happening, I believe the majority of people told something such as this would doubt it.
I think it's something like 96 per cent of us have a conscience, but there is that 4 per cent that don't, which is really hard for us to even understand living without a conscience. It is just not in our nature to believe things like this happen, or at least not in everyday life, but it does.

__________________
Never give up on something that you can’t go a day without thinking about. ~

Tully Mars

These are my thoughts as well.

__________________
I used to drink to drown my sorrows, but the damned things have learned how to swim- Frida Kahlo

Vice President Starkizzer Fan Club

ratbastid

It's been over an hour since I last asked. Plenty of time to go to the nearest police station. So I'll ask again: Have you talked to the police yet?

wooÐs

My God.

I hope he's ok.

ASU2003

Maybe it's someone working at the police station that wants to off him...

And there are other ways to kill someone where a gun would do you no good. It depends how covert they wanted to be. But something like a remote controlled bomb would be hard to defend against.

So, you can move away, change your name, and go off the grid for a while (I would suggest a nice beach in Mexico or Hawaii). Because, even if they catch these people and put them in jail, they can still get someone on the outside to do their dirty work (especially if it is a gang or mob related), or they will get out eventually and it would be best if they didn't run into you again.

mrklixx

Well at least this gives some insight into the situation. And if its as you say it is, I can actually see where you might be coming from. Because whether you were in the right or not, if you did something that is costing someone a perpetual chunk of change, I could actually fathom a situation where they would want you out of the picture.

However, it's very likely that if they actually did do something, they are going to be the prime suspect.

Do you have any actual evidence that they are plotting your demise or is it just "a feeling"?

Maybe you could have your lawyer draft up something that says if you die under "suspicious circumstances" that it will cost Mr.X a huge amount of money, so it essentially winds up being cheaper to keep you alive.

__________________
This post is content. If you don't like it then you are not content. Or perhaps just incontinent.

This is not a link - Do not click here

I hate animated avatars.

Redlemon

Was there something criminal, or at least shady, involved in this "irrevocable trust"? That's the only reason I can see you staying away from the police on this matter.

__________________
I can't read your signature. Sorry.

dlish

so if its about greed, and you say you're not a greedy person, why not just give the part of the money you got the 2nd time around to the person thats out to get you.

that way you'll sleep better

__________________
An injustice anywhere, is an injustice everywhere

I always sign my facebook comments with ()()===========(}. Does that make me gay?
- Filthy

biznatch

I don't get this thread. I need an update from the OP, the OP needs to do the right thing, which is to talk to the authorities, who'll either look into it and confirm it, or reject as everyday paranoia.

__________________
Check it out: The Open Source/Freeware/Gratis Software Thread

Fremen

I still think it's all bullshit by the op.
Sounds like the plot of a throw-away beach book or a bad Lifetime movie.

__________________
Google

MSD

I have been told this exactly twice before. Once was by someone who turned out to be schizophrenic and once by someone who was denying having Borderline Personality Disorder.

biznatch

Did they get you yet?

__________________
Check it out: The Open Source/Freeware/Gratis Software Thread