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sixate · 07-01-2003, 11:52 AM

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Womb transplant baby 'within three years'

by Martin Hutchinson
BBC News Online health staff in Madrid

Scientists claim that the first human baby could be born from a transplanted womb within three years.
Animal experiments have dismissed many of the concerns that womb transplants could not produce healthy babies.

The Swedish expert behind the research says that one of the best candidates to be an organ donor would be the patient's own mother - raising the prospect of carrying your children in the same womb that carried you.

He says that it may even be technically possible one day to transplant a womb into a man, and use hormone injections to allow a pregnancy to succeed.

However, it would be the first organ transplant which is not needed to cure a life-threatening illness, and there is likely to be a debate over whether such major surgery - and powerful immune-suppressing drugs - can be justified.

Professor Mats Brannstrom, presenting his work at the European Society for Human Reproduction and Embryology annual meeting in Madrid on Tuesday, said that he had been inundated with pleas for help from women after it was revealed last year that he had transplanted wombs into mice - and produced live baby mice.
Womb surgery

There are many thousands of women of childbearing age who have perfectly good ovaries, but no womb - some who were born without one, and some whose wombs were removed at a young age, either as a result of cancer, or as a result of another kind of medical emergency.

Until recently, there has been no prospect of them bearing their own children, leaving them only the option of surrogacy - which is illegal in many countries.

Studies of other female transplant patients taking immunosuppressant drugs during pregnancy has not shown any adverse effects.

The first human womb transplant has already been attempted by surgeons in Saudi Arabia.

Their success was short-lived - the organ had to removed less than 100 days later when a blood supply failure caused the transplanted tissue to start dying. There was no attempt to start a pregnancy with this patient.

Professor Brannstrom plans to use a different surgical technique to avoid this problem.
Legal option

He said that having a transplant organ was more desirable than a simple surrogacy arrangement with the mother and sister in question.

He said: "In many countries, surrogacy is illegal - and in others, the person who gives birth to the baby is officially recorded as the parent.

"In addition, it is impossible to control lifestyle factors, even if a surrogate promises they will not drink or smoke or take drugs during pregnancy."

However, all major abdominal surgery carries a risk of death or serious injury - the risk of just having a general anaesthetic is reckoned at one in every 3,000 patients.

Dr Phil Dyer, the president of the British Transplantation Society, told BBC News Online that taking immunosuppressing drugs also presented a risk.

He said: "There will be a debate whether organs should be transplanted where there is no direct benefit to the patient in terms of their health - though there might of course be an emotional benefit in terms of quality of life."

Where to start.
I guess I just don't see the point even if it is for women who have had cancer and can't have kids. Just let nature take it's course for christ's sake. Some things just aren't meant to be. Learn to deal with it.

To even think of letting a man have a child is completely fucked up. Why can't people just be happy with who they are? Even if a guy did become pregnant after something like this is the baby gonna pop outa his ass or what? Way too much fucking trouble just to have a kid that you're gonna screw up anyway.

Macheath · 07-01-2003, 12:00 PM

"This womb has been passed down through the family for generations. Your grandmother used it to give birth to me, I used it to give birth to you and now, my daughter I pass it on to you..."

EEEEWWWWWW!!!

The_Dude · 07-01-2003, 12:07 PM

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Originally posted by Macheath

EEEEWWWWWW!!!

EEWW indeed

Bill O'Rights · 07-01-2003, 12:50 PM

Uhh....no.

gjbourke · 07-02-2003, 01:58 AM

but then you'd be a woman?
hwo would you still be a "man" if the hormaones required to support the uterus and a prenancy were at normal female levels?

MrFlux · 07-02-2003, 04:01 AM

Forget transvestites, that's a REAL womanman!

BoCo · 07-02-2003, 06:15 AM

PLEASE JUST SHOOT ME NOW.....

Spinach_Indeed · 07-02-2003, 10:44 AM

My girlfriend's mom used to tell her and her sister that she pooped them out one day by accident when she went to take a shit.

I can imagine a Father telling this story, and it being true.

komodo · 07-02-2003, 12:06 PM

I sure as hell wouldn't want an 8 pound larva sucking on my vital organs, but I don't see any reason why it shouldn't be allowed. Then again, I wouldn't want a crotch spawn even after it was born.

rockzilla · 07-02-2003, 01:09 PM

Is there a shortage of babies up for adoption that I don't know about? Why do we need to be able to transplant wombs that'll run the risk of spawning fucked-up abominations? Sounds like mad science from a sick sci-fi movie.

spectre · 07-02-2003, 01:15 PM

In the words of fark, "still no cure for cancer."

lurkette · 07-02-2003, 02:00 PM

Why on earth....? For the amount of time and effort (and money) needed for this womb transplant you could adopt a perfectly lovely child. I'm sure I might feel differently some day if my biological clock starts running (so far not a tick) but I can't imagine being so self-centered that I absolutely had to give physical birth to my own genetic matter, at this kind of expense, rather than give a home to an existing person.

Just because we can doesn't mean we should.

KillerYoda · 07-02-2003, 02:10 PM

So would the baby be squeezed out of your dick like toothpaste?

/end painful thoughts

vermin · 07-02-2003, 06:37 PM

I see a crappy sequel to a crappy Arnold Schwartenegger movie in our future.

07-01-2003, 12:50 PM	#4 (permalink)
Bill O'Rights will always be an Alyson Hanniganite Location: In the dust of the archives	Uhh....no. __________________ "I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires." - Susan B. Anthony "Hedonism with rules isn't hedonism at all, it's the Republican party." - JumpinJesus It is indisputable that true beauty lies within...but a nice rack sure doesn't hurt.

07-02-2003, 04:01 AM	#6 (permalink)
MrFlux Fluxing wildly... Location: Auckland, New Zealand	Forget transvestites, that's a REAL womanman! __________________ flux (n.) Medicine. The discharge of large quantities of fluid material from the body, especially the discharge of watery feces from the intestines.

07-02-2003, 06:15 AM	#7 (permalink)
BoCo Fear the bunny Location: Hanging off the tip of the Right Wing	PLEASE JUST SHOOT ME NOW..... __________________ Activism is a way for useless people to feel important.

07-02-2003, 10:44 AM	#8 (permalink)
Spinach_Indeed Banned? Location: Artic Tundra	My girlfriend's mom used to tell her and her sister that she pooped them out one day by accident when she went to take a shit. I can imagine a Father telling this story, and it being true. __________________ Spinach in Need is Spinach Indeed

07-02-2003, 01:15 PM	#11 (permalink)
spectre Junkie	In the words of fark, "still no cure for cancer." __________________ "Fuck these chains No goddamn slave I will be different" ~ Machine Head

07-01-2003, 12:00 PM	#2 (permalink)
Macheath Junkie Location: Sydney, Australia	"This womb has been passed down through the family for generations. Your grandmother used it to give birth to me, I used it to give birth to you and now, my daughter I pass it on to you..." EEEEWWWWWW!!!

07-02-2003, 01:58 AM	#5 (permalink)
gjbourke Upright	but then you'd be a woman? hwo would you still be a "man" if the hormaones required to support the uterus and a prenancy were at normal female levels?

07-02-2003, 12:06 PM	#9 (permalink)
komodo Tilted	I sure as hell wouldn't want an 8 pound larva sucking on my vital organs, but I don't see any reason why it shouldn't be allowed. Then again, I wouldn't want a crotch spawn even after it was born.

07-02-2003, 01:09 PM	#10 (permalink)
rockzilla Junkie Location: The Kitchen	Is there a shortage of babies up for adoption that I don't know about? Why do we need to be able to transplant wombs that'll run the risk of spawning fucked-up abominations? Sounds like mad science from a sick sci-fi movie.

07-02-2003, 02:00 PM	#12 (permalink)
lurkette My future is coming on Moderator Emeritus Location: east of the sun and west of the moon	Why on earth....? For the amount of time and effort (and money) needed for this womb transplant you could adopt a perfectly lovely child. I'm sure I might feel differently some day if my biological clock starts running (so far not a tick) but I can't imagine being so self-centered that I absolutely had to give physical birth to my own genetic matter, at this kind of expense, rather than give a home to an existing person. Just because we can doesn't mean we should. __________________ "If ten million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing." - Anatole France

07-02-2003, 02:10 PM	#13 (permalink)
KillerYoda The Original Emo Gangsta Location: Sixth Floor, Texas School Book Depository	So would the baby be squeezed out of your dick like toothpaste? /end painful thoughts __________________ "So you're Chekov, huh? Well, this here's McCoy. Find a Spock, we got us an away team."

07-02-2003, 06:37 PM	#14 (permalink)
vermin Indifferent to anti-matter Location: Tucson, AZ	I see a crappy sequel to a crappy Arnold Schwartenegger movie in our future. __________________ If puns were sausages, this would be the wurst.