10-26-2007, 02:34 PM | #122 (permalink) | |
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10-26-2007, 04:06 PM | #123 (permalink) | |
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Is "god hates fags" an educated guess? Is "all black people believe in ghosts" an educated guess? Is "all black men have huge cocks" and educated guess? I think that what you call educated guessing, i see as intellectual laziness. In any case, when dealing with actual people, i have found that it is generally in my best interest to treat people as individuals instead of making educated guesses about them based on superficial details. |
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10-26-2007, 04:29 PM | #124 (permalink) | |
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10-26-2007, 04:34 PM | #125 (permalink) | |
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is it a bad thing? well, for the irrational hatred of a group, yeah, i think it's not a healthy productive thing and fits in the "bad thing" category. for the "preconceived preference or idea" then no, it's not bad. i have a prejudice toward red wine, i don't like white wine, even though there are probably tasty white wines out there. i don't see that as a bad thing. i'm not trying to put words in your mouth or tell you what you meant so i will only assume you were leaning toward "preconcieved preference" version of prejudice.
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10-26-2007, 05:15 PM | #127 (permalink) |
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Read my post again if you're not sure of what I meant by it. I state clearly that prejudice isn't negative. Racism is negative. Prejudice is a word that is now negative in our society even though its definition is quite literally gathering data about something and making an educated guess.
Thinking a black thug on the street is a criminal isn't racist because most black thugs on the street are criminals. It might be prejudice but how is that a bad thing? When I see a black thug on the street, should I say, "look at that lawyer?" I don't have data saying that he's a lawyer. I do have data that give him a huge chance of being a criminal. So me using data that correllates with a person is immoral? BTW I ask anyone who thinks this thread isn't going anywhere to take another look. This is a huge issue in our world and talking about it helps everyone understand their own feelings and point of views better. I'd rather be talking about issues like this than Britney's custody battle. Last edited by Lasereth; 10-26-2007 at 05:18 PM.. Reason: Automerged Doublepost |
10-26-2007, 06:38 PM | #129 (permalink) |
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crompsin: you're wrong about europe. go ask north africans (tunisians, morrocans) how they feel walking around in france. i think in some ways, europe tends to be more strongly nationalist rather than racist, given the closer proximity of the various countries...but they still find ridiculous ways to hate each other.
i almost wrote something earlier in this thread, but deleted the post. all i can say is that i find myself echoing skafe when i read this: we did this with a frat party last year that had some sort of offensive halloween decorations, and the conclusions are basically the same. i don't have the energy or time to get intensely involved in this particular discussion...i do think, however, that when hanging things by nooses in the united states, one might pay particular attention to the potential racial overtones. whatever...best of luck with it.
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10-26-2007, 07:07 PM | #130 (permalink) | |
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I do feel that the US has zero sense of nationalism in comparison to Europe simply based on the proximity issue you mentioned. I feel that something has to fill the "Us Vs. Them" void that the US has without a tangible sense of nationalism (no, those dumbass Power of Pride stickers don't really grab me)... and racism is that disgusting monster. Example: Illegal aliens (Quick! Blame all the Mexicans!) is our current sticky issue. |
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10-26-2007, 07:54 PM | #131 (permalink) | |
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10-26-2007, 08:00 PM | #132 (permalink) | |
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I think your theory doesn't quite cut it. IL is right, the people in the US almost go to comical lengths to not appear racist. Other nations seem to have no problem with it.
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10-26-2007, 08:18 PM | #133 (permalink) | |
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10-26-2007, 08:25 PM | #134 (permalink) | |
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Okay. Where is the hot-hot proof that Europe is a den of racists? Any super-duper examples of bigotry in action? I wanna see it, smell it. Rumors? Conjecture? Bullshit? I like to talk as much as anybody, but I typically qualify my substandard babble with opinion disclaimers like "I think" and "I feel" so as to not appear as witty as Ben Stein (who knows pretty much everything and who is probably racist too, right?) Where da proof at, yo? ... I find it hard to believe that Europe is as bad as the US. I mean... we're so good at everything that is destroying the future of mankind and the planet. *gets run over by a H2 with confederate flag sticker* Quote:
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10-26-2007, 08:29 PM | #135 (permalink) | |
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I dont recall what part of CA, but I know a couple & a single mother who both said the same thing.......along the higher cost of living, natural disasters, and overpopulation known all to well as CA trademarks....... *Gets run over by an H2 with a "We Love Neil Young Songs" bumbersticker*
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10-26-2007, 09:11 PM | #136 (permalink) | |
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If I saw a Black youth wearing baggy pants, a basketball jersey, and a bandanna, I might think an array of things. I would think foremost that he is participating in urban culture by what he is wearing. I might think he breaks the law, specifically because of the gangster rap culture he might be playing up to. But I would also look at him as a common phenomenon. Lots of youths dress like that. I would look at him (depending on his age) as a student who could very well one day become a lawyer. I would look at him as a poet, possibly. He could be anything, really.
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10-26-2007, 10:40 PM | #137 (permalink) |
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This thread is all over the place. Somehow... nationalism, the Cold War, and the French are part of the discussion now.
It's interesting (though not really productive) to see where the conversation leads just so there's something to keep talking about. Manic_Skafe is exactly right. The way these threads meander out into completely unrelated topics is precisely because these topics get stale quickly. A topic comes up every so often... and when all the same things have been said, it becomes a game of continuing to talk longer than the other people even though no one actually has anything to say. I'm not saying people posting have nothing to say- I'm saying it seems they have nothing to say on this topic anymore. It's pretty much run its course unless someone comes in and breathes some new life into it. |
10-27-2007, 04:10 AM | #138 (permalink) | |
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No matter how you cut it your post said nothing more than "I know lots and you know nothing so I know better than you" - now that's what I really call "an invalid reason". You're getting very tedius now and I'm getting tired of you quickly. |
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10-27-2007, 04:13 AM | #139 (permalink) | |
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... I think all the pigments need to relax a little. White people need to stop being so Wite-Out (drum crash) over all their possibly offensive stuff and perhaps black people need to realize that despite the nature of the world we live in... optimism is the only thing that will change the self-perpetuating state we live in where white guy does something stupid, black community reacts, animosity goes back to square one. More people should listen to Bill Cosby's stance on race / community. |
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10-27-2007, 05:53 AM | #141 (permalink) | |
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10-27-2007, 07:34 AM | #142 (permalink) |
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This is a symptom of what has become a mass cultural denial in the US.
My local news channels won't even give race when they are giving the description of a subject at large. A 6 foot tall male, approximately 180 pounds, wearing a blue t-shirt..... I mean in an area with a huge black, hispanic, white and asian population what good would race be looking for a criminal? A few years back Philadelphia put the pictures of 32 wanted murders who were known to be at large on the front page of the major paper (don't recall which one). All were black but one was hispanic. Black leaders were up in arms at this obviously racist display, the paper who's editor was black, apologized. We are talking about the known murders that are free in Philadelphia and the local black leadership was more worried about the perception, than catching men who may kill again. I think this sort of idiocy is what a lot of people are upset about, and why whitey gets so worked up over something like the original story. Enough is enough.
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10-27-2007, 09:12 AM | #143 (permalink) | |
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One wonders where whitey was when his religious leaders were calling for a boycott of halloween because of how positively devilish it is. Nothing makes for better theater than responding to oversensitivity with oversensitivity. |
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10-27-2007, 09:38 AM | #144 (permalink) | |
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The difference is the scale of it. The 'white guilt' is about used up.
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10-27-2007, 09:50 AM | #146 (permalink) | |
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What i don't understand is why whitey A gets all worked up because he thinks that whitey B's got the white guilt. Okay, so whitey A wouldn't take down his halloween decoration, regardless of how much it reminded someone of how cheap life can be if you're an oppressed minority. Why does whitey A give a fuck if whitey B takes down the decoration? Does whitey A feel like whiteness isn't properly being represented by whitey B, and if so, who the fuck is whitey A to presume to know how to represent whiteness? |
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10-27-2007, 10:13 AM | #147 (permalink) | |
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I don't think many are pissed off with Whitey B taking it down, its the fact they felt coerced to for something so ridiculous that just seems so stupid. The race card is getting quite old.
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10-27-2007, 10:24 AM | #148 (permalink) |
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I agree that the race card is getting old. I do think it odd that folks who would ostensibly complain about racism would rally in support of a perspective that thinks that black folks should just lighten up, it's like saying, "those fucking blacks need to quit being so racist." I imagine that if certain folks really thought the race card was getting old, the title of this thread wouldn't mention it at all.
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10-27-2007, 12:39 PM | #150 (permalink) |
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I don't care if the hanging ghoul has an afro or some other relatively black dominate feature. It still doesn't necessarily make it racist. I think painting the ghoul white was more than enough to appease the people that were wrongly offended by it.
As for the thread title - Well, I kinda like it, It's definitely an attention grabber. Yeah it overgeneralizes things but until more black people start criticizing the organizations representing them, us white folk just have to assume that they agree with em. We folks of non-color are always stepping up and defending ourselves every time someone does or says something racist yet when someone like the NAACP cries racism over something stupid like the color of a Halloween decoration there's hardly no black people stepping up and saying, "it's just a fucking Halloween decoration!" Heck if this Halloween decoration was the most racist thing in the country right now, I think we're doing pretty damn good... Too bad there's no REAL racism for the NAACP the focus on... /sarcasm.
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10-27-2007, 12:59 PM | #152 (permalink) | |
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10-27-2007, 01:38 PM | #153 (permalink) | |
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10-27-2007, 01:39 PM | #154 (permalink) | |
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10-27-2007, 02:06 PM | #155 (permalink) | |
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If I just saw it randomly I wouldn't think it was racist or the like, but if you are the kind of person looking FOR racism I can see where you would find it here.
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10-27-2007, 02:11 PM | #156 (permalink) |
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Isnt the real question why ANYBODY would want to hang a fake corpse from their house - really regardless of what racial characteristics the body might have?
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10-27-2007, 02:16 PM | #157 (permalink) | |
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10-27-2007, 03:24 PM | #158 (permalink) |
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and thats a good time to celebrate capital punishment?
All Hallows Eve used to mean something rather different.
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10-27-2007, 03:36 PM | #160 (permalink) |
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Except when you see things like a Black caricature hanging in someone's yard. Then it has a Tex-Mex feel to it.
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