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Old 02-27-2004, 11:55 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Questions about Jesus

I'll give it a go with the caveaut that these are the views of a fairly liberal ex-Catholic, now Episcopalian who's made it a hobby to study world religions...

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Originally posted by theusername
I was raised Jewish and I have a miniscule amount of knowledge about him, I really wish I would have been taught just about the man because regardless of my faith he is the most influential person ever to live.

Anyways here goes...

If Jesus was the messiah, why is there no heaven on Earth after his arrival?
Ah, good question!

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Originally Posted by John 18:33, 36
So Pilate went bck into the Praetorium and called Jesus to him and asked him, 'Are you the king of the Jews?'...Jesus replied, 'Mine is not a kingom of this world; if my kindom were of this world, my men would have fought to prevent my being surrendered to the Jews. As it is, my kindom does not belong here.'
So the "kingdom" is obviously something else. To me, it is what is inside of me, what I carry around. The flip side of this is that some people carry their own hell around with them. Many people know someone like this, but they tend to ignore the former, unless he/she becomes very far advanced along their spiritual path, people like the Dalai Lama, Oscar Romero, Mother Teresa, Deitrich Bonhoeffer, etc.

This theme is common in many religions, which to me at least, adds to it's veracity.

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Why's there a gap about his whereabouts from the time he was 12 to his 30's?
Well, if you are a Kevin Smith/Dogma fan, it's because the churches hid the material because it was embarassing.

But conspiracy theories aside, no one knows. We can guess though. Perhaps it is as simple as that there is nothing to report. Remember that the Gospels were written down years after the fact, from memories and stories that the followers of Jesus told to each other.

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How can you be sure the Gospels told the story accurately?
Well, you can be a strict literalist and have the reason be because God wrote the stories through the writers, or, like me, you can rely on modern Biblical scholarship.

You might enjoy a book called, "Meeting Jesus Again for the First Time", by Dr. Marcus Borg, who is also an active member of the Jesus Seminar. The Jesus Seminar (TJS) spends much of it's time debating this very question with some interesting answers.

Another book I've recommended before is by Bishop John Spong, "Liberating the Gospels : Reading the Bible with Jewish Eyes". The main premise of this book being that the way the ancient Hebrews told stories was NOT the way Westerners do today.


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How exactly did he heal and give back life? Could he just have been performing CPR and first aid?
Again, no one knows.

Some have suggested that the miracles of Jesus could be explained in other ways, such as the feeding of the 5000 being really a story about sharing food among strangers.

Others reject this and go for the literal (I fall somewhere between). But there was obviously something powerful going on, since the stories survived.

Part of a Christain's faith journey is struggling to understand these mysteries, because struggle is what makes people grow.

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Did Jesus himself claim he was the Messiah? Also the Jewish faith teaches we are all sons of God, what makes him THE son?
Hotly debated, especially among groups like TJS, not so among others, as wether or not he made this claim. But the sine qua non of a Christian is that Jesus was actually God AND human FULLY AND COMPLETELY.

This takes alot of work to get one's mind around and I personally don't think we are capable of understanding all it's implications.

That doesn't stop us from trying however

Some of my own conclusions based on this belief:

-Jesus knew, really knew about all the agony and suffering (mentally, spiritually and physically) that is inherent to being human

-Being the "Son of God" and the "Son of Man" (both terms are used) implicitly makes us also "Sons and Daughter's of God". Further, that means that God is in everyone of us, and it is our purpose to discover the Godhead inside of us. And FURTHER, to recognize and acknowledge the Godhead inside of our fellow human beings.

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I dont mean to cause offense to anyone and any input is appreciated.

Again, only speaking for myself, there is no offense taken.

Anyone who cannot stand questions and/or criticism of their faith has a weak faith indeed, IMHO.

Peace!
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