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here's the central problem. I assume you think that God is the Creator, or if not, at least in control of humanity and the structure of the universe. Then it follows that even if you belive that good and bad are grounded in humanity or the structure of the universe, then good and bad have to also be grounded in god.
In other words:
God is in control of humanity.
Humanity is in control of good and bad.
Therefore, good and bad are in control of God.
As long as you believe the 1st, you cannot believe that good and bad are grounded in humanity and not in God at the same time.
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