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I don't dig their music for the same reason I don't like Throwdown, that is, because everything I've heard by both bands sounds numetal. There has never been anything catchy about them with me, even when I saw both bands a while back. Last October I saw Everytime I Die, and it wasn't that spectacular either. People say there's a goldmine of odd-timing to be found with these aforementioned bands, but if I wanted to go math, I'd stick to DEP or Ion Dissonance. Just different strokes, different folks, I guess. Oh yeah, I don't dig Norma Jean, either.