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Old 12-31-2003, 10:59 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Google before posting please. There are numerous articles on Stop Loss between 1992 and 2000.

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Originally posted by Superbelt
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2003Dec28.html



We didn't have to do this under Clinton.
This to me shows the discontent our soldiers have for our leadership now. They can't keep soldiers. Our national guardsmen are BEYOND pissed.

I know ten guys who are in the national guard. All but one has put in his discharge papers. All of them did it specificially because they are either pissed they have been in Iraq so long, or to keep from being deployed there in the future.

Bush is turning out to be a serious disaster for our national defense. We are way overtaxed, and now we need to deny discharges to retain any semblance of a competent military. If we keep going this way for another 5 years (god forbid Bush gets elected) I don't think we could adequately defend our own borders.
I beg to differ. Clinton did use stop loss.

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/May1...9_9905211.html

Stop Loss Program Provides Authority to Keep Key People


By Jim Garamone

American Forces Press Service


WASHINGTON -- When President Clinton mobilized 33,102 reservists
April 27, he also quietly gave the services the little-used
right to keep members in uniform past their normal separation or
retirement dates.

The presidential authority, called the Stop Loss program,
suspends laws related to military retirements, separations and
promotions. The president delegates it downward to the service
secretaries through Defense Secretary William S. Cohen.

Stop Loss can only be initiated after a declaration of war,
during a national emergency or when members of any reserve
component are involuntarily called to active duty. Further, the
authority lasts only as long as the period for which reserve
component members have been involuntarily activated.

Stop Loss helps the services maintain the critical skills they
need to support continuous military operations such as NATO's
ongoing Allied Force. The services may implement Stop Loss
according to their own missions and personnel requirements, and
they can modify their plans, adding and deleting career
specialties as circumstances change.

While they could conceivably apply Stop Loss across their entire
active and reserve spectrum, the services will usually quickly
establish a list of critical specialties and limit the impact to
as few skills and people as possible. For instance, the last
time Stop Loss was invoked, during the 1991 Gulf War, it
affected only service members engaged in theater operations,
those supporting the operations and other critical skills.

When Clinton's April 27 order activated Stop Loss, Air Force
officials said they would use it, but they've announced no
further details since, such as how many airmen might be
affected. "We want to do this as soon as we can, but we don't
want to make an announcement and then have to go back and change
it," one service official said.

The other services said they would not use Stop Loss, though
Navy officials reserved the right to change their minds.

Stop Loss permits the services to exceed promotion quotas set
for each grade, but none expects to invoke this aspect in the
current situation.

Stop Loss prohibits the reassignment of reserve component
members into resource pools of lesser availability. They can't
be shifted, for instance, from the Selected Reserve to the
Individual Ready Reserve.

There are exemptions. Disability retirements and separations and
separations for cause are unaffected. Other Stop Loss exemptions
include hardship, discharge for pregnancy, discharge in lieu of
court-martial, and high-year-of-tenure retirements and
separations

There were very few exemptions, even when the personnel were not deploying forces.

IMNSHO.

Bill Clinton was a great demoralizer for the military. It was the worst 8 years during my military service. He left us feeling cheap and needing a shower.

Your buddies need to take the war with the bennies. I hear it all the time "When I joined I didn't EXPECT to have to go to war" I just wanted the school.
-Don't join the girl scouts and expect to NOT sell cookies.-

I work with the Air Force and Army daily and moral here is stressed by deployments but not negative. I do worry that the soldiers returning with major injuries may cause some issues.

E-7 Air Force retiree, 1981 - 2002
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