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Old 11-27-2003, 09:00 PM   #1 (permalink)
Sleepyjack
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Location: Australia, Perth
Classifying rape/consent

first off, i am not sure if this is sexuality or genreal disscussion stuff?

Last night i watched this movie/documentary called Raw Deal. I know that the incident that iot's about was in the past '99 and released in 2001, but it seems it's only become available to rent now?

Anyway, the film is about an incident invoving a frat house at the university of florida and i am probably sure that a lot of Americans have probably already heard about this in the past. Anyway, as part of a party or some intiation thing, the frat house hired some exotic dancers/strippers to perform for them. After all this one of the girls stayed back and had sex and performed sexual acts on some of the guys.
Throughout the night, the guys videotaped the girls and all happenings, including the sex acts with the girl and various guys at the frat house.
Although, the next morning, the girl came out of the frat house, and reported that she had been raped.

heres an actual blurb about the movie, if mine doesn't make sense:

Raw Deal has to be one of the most exposing and controversial documentaries about rape and fraternity life today. Billy Corben's remarkable exposé on the contested rape of 27-year-old Lisa Gier King in Gainesville, Florida, is sure to provoke heated discussions everywhere about rape, women's rights, and male privilege. On Friday, February 26, 1999, Delta Chi frat brothers at the University of Florida held a party at their fraternity house and hired exotic dancer Lisa Gier King to perform. The following morning, a half-naked and distraught King ran from the house, claiming that Michael Yarhaus had raped her. Her most startling allegation was that frat brother Tony Marzullo had videotaped the crime. Two days later, King herself was arrested for filing a false police report after authorities claimed the tape showed "clearly willing and consensual sex." The community was stunned by King's arrest after it was discovered that the videotape showed Marzullo himself repeatedly addressing the camera to gleefully describe that what he was witnessing was a rape. Under pressure from the media and Campus NOW to charge the frat brothers with rape, State Attorney Rod Smith arrogantly responded by making the tape available to the public so people could "make up their own minds." Filmmaker Billy Corben takes Smith's challenge and presents the scandalizing, sexually explicit footage alongside interviews of participants involved with the case to conduct an investigation the police never did. The result is a shocking insight on fraternity life and the politically constructed nature of "the truth."

First off, has anyone else seen the movie or have thoughts about it?

I, myself, was still somewhat undecided about wether you could or could not call what happened consensual or not. Albeit, i hvaen't seen any of the actual home movie shot, only footage on the documentary. UNfortuantely it (consent)wasn't really a black and white thing, in the film there are degrees of ambiguity.

I also know that the process in whcih the crime was investigated was botched and altered by politcal motivation, but this is more about the classficiation of rape/consent and how is it or can it be defined in law?

Can someone say "yes" to sex and then change their mind afterwards, or during the process?

During the film, as well, although i am naive about rape (hence the post) i wouldn've thought there may be more of a struggle or better indication of non-consent. Although, in a lot of cases, rape is mainly about a power/control thing and the guy in the film definitley doing that, altough this can definitley also happen between 2 consenting people.

So unfortuanlety,a fter watching the documentary, other than understanding that politcal motivation fucks everything up, i was still not so clear about what consent or rape is defined as.
I used to mainly think it would be, just a struggle as someone overpowers someone and forcefully has sex with them, but maybe there is more to it and other incidents which should be classified as rape?

The fact that the girl was intoxicated and maybe taken drugs as well does complicate the issue quite a bit.

ok, i have probably written enough fro now, but i am definitley interested in others thoughts about, not only the incident itself, but also on the rape/consent issue and how it's defined, how can we make it more clearly defined etc

thanks
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