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Sun Tzu · 04-27-2003, 10:08 PM

I'd love to answer this and give my full input, but doing so in the last TFP created a thread that wasn't plesant at all. I will say this theres something to be said when Billy Joel said "honesty is such a lonely word"
I went to a "self-improvement" retreat in Napa valley to years ago. Its primary focus was on honesty and how we've been trained from very young that its in our interest to always have the right answer (even if that isnt the case) When I got back for three weeks I was tripping my friends, coworkers, family out with using eye contact like they've never experienced (it suprising how much people look away when they're lying, unless they're excellent bullshit artists) I was truthful about everything. . . everything. In my eyes a lie was a lie. Have you ever seen the movie Liar Liar? IMO and from what I experienced people dont react well if they hear the truth in its purest form.

Then it boils down to honor and self truth to yourself. IMO being true to one's self is the only gift thats truely worth anything that a person can give to themself in life. In other words if a friend asked you what you thought about the dress she put her heart and soul into too making to go out with you on the weekend, but in your eyes and opinion its horrid and telling her that may hurt her feelings. One could walk away from that situation or anything like it (stating the real reason you said no to the girl, the real reason for calling in sick whatever) been true to yourself and the universe, but know that a reactionary price may have to be paid. Thus enters the area of being a taker vs being a giver.

An unfamous philosopher once said "If you tell the truth you dont have to remember anything" maybe thats why hes not famous

I still lie; its usually if I dont want to hurt someones feelings, but then it gets into picking and choosing whats an accpetable lie and what isnt; having cooth isnt a factor with honesty; only honesty is. The difference for me now is I really know when I lie. Each and every time I do I feel like a small part of myself dies. That may sound corny to most but its the way I feel. I STRIVE to be as honest as possible.

04-27-2003, 10:08 PM	#24 (permalink)
Sun Tzu Conspiracy Realist Location: The Event Horizon	I'd love to answer this and give my full input, but doing so in the last TFP created a thread that wasn't plesant at all. I will say this theres something to be said when Billy Joel said "honesty is such a lonely word" I went to a "self-improvement" retreat in Napa valley to years ago. Its primary focus was on honesty and how we've been trained from very young that its in our interest to always have the right answer (even if that isnt the case) When I got back for three weeks I was tripping my friends, coworkers, family out with using eye contact like they've never experienced (it suprising how much people look away when they're lying, unless they're excellent bullshit artists) I was truthful about everything. . . everything. In my eyes a lie was a lie. Have you ever seen the movie Liar Liar? IMO and from what I experienced people dont react well if they hear the truth in its purest form. Then it boils down to honor and self truth to yourself. IMO being true to one's self is the only gift thats truely worth anything that a person can give to themself in life. In other words if a friend asked you what you thought about the dress she put her heart and soul into too making to go out with you on the weekend, but in your eyes and opinion its horrid and telling her that may hurt her feelings. One could walk away from that situation or anything like it (stating the real reason you said no to the girl, the real reason for calling in sick whatever) been true to yourself and the universe, but know that a reactionary price may have to be paid. Thus enters the area of being a taker vs being a giver. An unfamous philosopher once said "If you tell the truth you dont have to remember anything" maybe thats why hes not famous I still lie; its usually if I dont want to hurt someones feelings, but then it gets into picking and choosing whats an accpetable lie and what isnt; having cooth isnt a factor with honesty; only honesty is. The difference for me now is I really know when I lie. Each and every time I do I feel like a small part of myself dies. That may sound corny to most but its the way I feel. I STRIVE to be as honest as possible. __________________ *To confine our attention to terrestrial matters would be to limit the human spirit.- Stephen Hawking* Last edited by Sun Tzu; 04-27-2003 at 10:15 PM..